Who should be the starting point guard?

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Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

I’ll ask you this.

Would Jrue Holiday or Westbrook average 5 assists per game on this team? The answer is no.

[Skin]

I agree that Fultz starts all games to close out this season, minus load management.

But frankly, if Fultz and Suggs are both in Magic blue next opening night, I will feel like management is failing this team. Orlando must choose. This is just like Oladipo vs. Fournier. It can't be both.

Personally I hope the Magic keep Felt and ship Suggs, but I will be totally fine if it is flipped.

It is insane for me to think Anthony would be the starter on this team next season.

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If this happens I’ll be pulling a Xatticus.

And I’m being 100% serious.

I missed the story behind Xatticus. Why did he leave? He was such a quality poster!

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I agree that Fultz starts all games to close out this season, minus load management.

But frankly, if Fultz and Suggs are both in Magic blue next opening night, I will feel like management is failing this team. Orlando must choose. This is just like Oladipo vs. Fournier. It can't be both.

Personally I hope the Magic keep Felt and ship Suggs, but I will be totally fine if it is flipped.

It is insane for me to think Anthony would be the starter on this team next season.

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If this happens I’ll be pulling a Xatticus.

And I’m being 100% serious.

I missed the story behind Xatticus. Why did he leave? He was such a quality poster!

I can't speak for him.

I can only surmise it was because we drafted Paolo over Chet. He's now an OKC fan.

[Skin]

If this happens I’ll be pulling a Xatticus.

And I’m being 100% serious.

I missed the story behind Xatticus. Why did he leave? He was such a quality poster!

I can't speak for him.

I can only surmise it was because we drafted Paolo over Chet. He's now an OKC fan.

Wow, that's wack. You better not do that!

[Audi]

Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

I’ll ask you this.

Would Jrue Holiday or Westbrook average 5 assists per game on this team? The answer is no.

Unless you are suggesting we trade for either of them, this is not helpful to my question at all. I'm trying to find the PG everyone here seems to want.

The consensus starting PG we are looking for:

- Averages over 5.5 apg
- League average 3 point volume & % at minimum
- Good defender that fights over screens
- Runs P&R
- Trustworthy handles
- Attract defenses as a legitimate scoring threat
- Will happily step into role as #3rd-#4th option, potentially #5th depending on any roster changes to SG

Anything else I'm forgetting?

[pepe1991]

I agree that Fultz starts all games to close out this season, minus load management.

But frankly, if Fultz and Suggs are both in Magic blue next opening night, I will feel like management is failing this team. Orlando must choose. This is just like Oladipo vs. Fournier. It can't be both.

Personally I hope the Magic keep Felt and ship Suggs, but I will be totally fine if it is flipped.

It is insane for me to think Anthony would be the starter on this team next season.

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If this happens I’ll be pulling a Xatticus.

And I’m being 100% serious.

I missed the story behind Xatticus. Why did he leave? He was such a quality poster!

i'm pretty sure that in his beef with ezzp there were strong rumors / kind a facts where it was exposed that he was editing his old posts to look better

and his departure was hilarious. He just joined OKC forum and started posting as OKC fan.

[Skin]

If this happens I’ll be pulling a Xatticus.

And I’m being 100% serious.

I missed the story behind Xatticus. Why did he leave? He was such a quality poster!

i'm pretty sure that in his beef with ezzp there were strong rumors / kind a facts where it was exposed that he was editing his old posts to look better

and his departure was hilarious. He just joined OKC forum and started posting as OKC fan.

Bro, what... everyone here has made regrettable posts.

[ogmagicfan]

Ideally he would be starting SG next season alongside a PG that can shoot while playing back up PG role as well. Or just a guard that comes off the bench and gives you minutes at both spots, either way he needs to play 30+mpg.

This whole thread/ argument comes down to the fact that Fultz sucks with the future core. The OP dislikes Suggs because he isn’t a volume shooter at SG in his second season.

This might come as a shock to the rest of Orlando’s board, but shooting guards don’t need to be volume scorers from 3 to be efficient in the nba. Point guards, on the other hand, DO if they aren’t getting to the line OR racking up high assist numbers.

You can’t be **** at all 3 and have your main feature be scoring in the most one dimensional way imaginable.

Fultz and Suggs don’t work as a back court combo. That’s why Suggs doesn’t start and the Cole/Suggs back court is an infinitely better tandem. Suggs closes out games and rightfully so.

The answer to this stupid thread is that Fultz is the starter for the rest of the season. Why? Because where else would Fultz be? He’s not coming off the bench at $17m and he doesn’t fit next to the best defender on the team. Mosley has to configure his lineups because of his shortcomings.

One of the big reasons it's more important for a PG who can shoot than a SG who can is the PG is the one running the P&R a majority of the time.

Being a threat from distance if the player goes under the screen, or being a big threat that both the opposing guard & big help leading to an easy basket

[drsd]

Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

I’ll ask you this.

Would Jrue Holiday or Westbrook average 5 assists per game on this team? The answer is no.

So Markelle Fultz at 5.5 apg is >> than Jrue Holiday or Russell Westbrook.




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[VFX]

Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

I’ll ask you this.

Would Jrue Holiday or Westbrook average 5 assists per game on this team? The answer is no.

So Markelle Fultz at 5.5 apg is >> than Jrue Holiday or Russell Westbrook.




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Haha. That made me laugh, thanks.

No they’d probably still get 7-10 assists per game.

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Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

I’ll ask you this.

Would Jrue Holiday or Westbrook average 5 assists per game on this team? The answer is no.

Unless you are suggesting we trade for either of them, this is not helpful to my question at all. I'm trying to find the PG everyone here seems to want.

The consensus starting PG we are looking for:

- Averages over 5.5 apg
- League average 3 point volume & % at minimum
- Good defender that fights over screens
- Runs P&R
- Trustworthy handles
- Attract defenses as a legitimate scoring threat
- Will happily step into role as #3rd-#4th option, potentially #5th depending on any roster changes to SG

Anything else I'm forgetting?

The three/four in red are not mutually exclusive. (league average 3pt shooter you can make a case for)

The one in blue would be ideal, but not entirely necessary.

The one in green isn't necessary, but would be very nice.

The one in orange doesn't matter if Orlando is winning.

[zaymon]

I would like a point guard who can run the most popular play type- pick and roll or at least defend and space the floor.
47 percentile as pick and roll ball handler, 30,8% from 3 on 1,4 attempts and being around 50 percentile as a defender is not cutting it at any front.

[Skybox]

OP is missing the obvious choice..."Player not currently on this team"

[dsg2021]

Paolo Banchero. And Franz Wagner.


No PG should be handling the ball very much.

[The-Stallion70]

Why is this even a poll? Fultz is my starter next season.

Because posters are bitching about Fultz and our pg situation in general. Apparently there are at least 11 posters on here who would rather see Suggs start instead of Fultz.

[The-Stallion70]

Suggs really hasn't proven much in the NBA. I think he has some fans because he does these suicide-style defensive plays he makes at times on defense where he sacrifices his body and I guess this speaks to people somehow?

He's a quality defender but with a .524 ts%, an unreliable three point shooter and so-so other skills he hasn't proven to be much more than a rotation player in the NBA. The Magic have to value their assets the same way another team would.

Fultz still does have elite physical and athletic tools at his position. I can see why he was the no.1 pick given his physical tools. If he never lost his shot he could have been great.

Cole is a skilled scorer. He scores at a .56 ts%, you have to respect his ability to make difficult shots.

So Suggs is not as physically gifted as Fultz and not as skilled offensively as Cole.

[KillMonger]

Obviously Fultz will finish the year but who knows after that.... I like Fultz but if we can upgrade the PG position we should.....that is unless all of a sudden Fultz finds his 3pt shot this summer..... Although if we somehow land Scoot? Bye bye Fultz

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[Knightro]

This team started winning when Fultz came back from that toe injury…just saying

Other guys came back too. It wasn't just Fultz.

Gary Harris missed 27 of the first 33 games
Cole Anthony missed 17 of the first 21 games
Jalen Suggs missed 24 of the first 39 games
Wendell Carter missed 18 of 19 games in November and December

Even Paolo missed 7 straight games in November.

[Skybox]

This team started winning when Fultz came back from that toe injury…just saying

Other guys came back too. It wasn't just Fultz.

Gary Harris missed 27 of the first 33 games
Cole Anthony missed 17 of the first 21 games
Jalen Suggs missed 24 of the first 39 games
Wendell Carter missed 18 of 19 games in November and December

Even Paolo missed 7 straight games in November.

Fultz makes us better. No argument here.
Fultz is likely our best PG. Agreed.

But he's not good enough to take ORL to the next level. We're banging against a ceiling with such a limited guy in the most important position. Next big leap for this team comes from an upgrade at Lead Guard.

Regarding Suggs...he's a keeper, but I don't hear that many here are calling him our next PG...maybe, maybe not but he'll have a big role, regardless of title or whether he's starting.

[eyriq]

This team started winning when Fultz came back from that toe injury…just saying

Other guys came back too. It wasn't just Fultz.

Gary Harris missed 27 of the first 33 games
Cole Anthony missed 17 of the first 21 games
Jalen Suggs missed 24 of the first 39 games
Wendell Carter missed 18 of 19 games in November and December

Even Paolo missed 7 straight games in November.

Fultz makes us better. No argument here.
Fultz is likely our best PG. Agreed.

But he's not good enough to take ORL to the next level. We're banging against a ceiling with such a limited guy in the most important position. Next big leap for this team comes from an upgrade at Lead Guard.

Regarding Suggs...he's a keeper, but I don't hear that many here are calling him our next PG...maybe, maybe not but he'll have a big role, regardless of title or whether he's starting.

It's not clear Fultz makes us better