Og ANUNOBY

[AaronB]

The Raptors defense was excellent this season when Poeltl and OG were playing together.

Even in the play-in, where the Bulls supposedly "abused" him, the Raptors had a fantastic defensive rating of 92.4 when they were both on the court.

Zach Lavigne scored 39 on him. That is called abuse.

Are you telling me OG was covering White?

Did you even watch the game? Fred VanVleet was on Lavine for most of the second half when he went off.

But even if OG had been on him the whole game, no defender can lock up the best NBA scorers on his own every game.

Lol, nobody expects a shutout, but we are talking 39 points. 39 points. That is abuse.

Nope, he is not all world. He has never made an all defensive team. He is not a finalist for the DOPY.

This whole theory of OG being all world defense is pure fiction. He is above average defensively, but that is it.

[JF5]

Lol

LBJ … MJ …. Zach Lavine

1 name does not fit.

Your argument is ludicrous. The most important game of the year and Zach Lavine drops down 39 on your all world defender? That is a joke.

He is a nice player, slightly above average defender, nothing more.

I guess you didn't watch the game if you think OG was guarding Zach all game

So you have 1 all world defender playing the SG in your starting lineup. The opposing lineup SG is abusing your team for 39 and your response is to not allow your all world defender wing cover the guy abusing your team? Not sure that actually says anything good about your all world defender.

You do realize that they had Demar DeRozan (Another Offensive Star and probably the Bulls best player) as the other swing man playing for Chicago too, right?

[AaronB]

I guess you didn't watch the game if you think OG was guarding Zach all game

So you have 1 all world defender playing the SG in your starting lineup. The opposing lineup SG is abusing your team for 39 and your response is to not allow your all world defender wing cover the guy abusing your team? Not sure that actually says anything good about your all world defender.

You do realize that they had Demar DeRozan (Another Offensive Star and probably the Bulls best player) as the other swing man playing for Chicago too, right?

Who also dropped 23.

[JF5]

So you have 1 all world defender playing the SG in your starting lineup. The opposing lineup SG is abusing your team for 39 and your response is to not allow your all world defender wing cover the guy abusing your team? Not sure that actually says anything good about your all world defender.

You do realize that they had Demar DeRozan (Another Offensive Star and probably the Bulls best player) as the other swing man playing for Chicago too, right?

Who also dropped 23.

If you watched the game... clearly you did not as you're looking at the stats. He rarely scored on him. Most of DeRozan's scoring was off scramble plays and switches to get OG off of him and get a more favorable match up.

You can even do a quick Google search for articles, look at the numbers (which a poster here already gave to you), and how good the Raptors defense has been all year.

On top of that he's likely to be first team all defense. At worst second when the all-nba teams come out.

It's obvious you're just talking without knowing what you're talking about.

[msmoore66]

Yeah I don't think the Chicago game is a good hill to die on to try make that point AaronB.

[AaronB]

You do realize that they had Demar DeRozan (Another Offensive Star and probably the Bulls best player) as the other swing man playing for Chicago too, right?

Who also dropped 23.

If you watched the game... clearly you did not as you're looking at the stats. He rarely scored on him. Most of DeRozan's scoring was off scramble plays and switches to get OG off of him and get a more favorable match up.

You can even do a quick Google search for articles, look at the numbers (which a poster here already gave to you), and how good the Raptors defense has been all year.

On top of that he's likely to be first team all defense. At worst second when the all-nba teams come out.

It's obvious you're just talking without knowing what you're talking about.

You do not know if he will make either 1sr team or second team. In 6 years, he has never made either.

3 of the slots are already taken and odds are slim he makes 1st team. Now maybe he makes second team.

This is a far cry from “all world” defender. Who is the person that does not know whet they are talking about?

I will give you this win however, as you are so desperate for a win: Lavine absolutely torched Freddie Ball Hog. That is embarrassing.

[AaronB]

Yeah I don't think the Chicago game is a good hill to die on to try make that point AaronB.

I am poking at “all world” defender. That is like shooting fish in a barrel. He is clearly not that. OG is not even in the discussion for DPOY. Results from the most important game of the season backs that up. Heck, in the second half, the most important half of the year, they dropped a 19 point lead. They could not get stops. Anyone saying that any player 0n that court in the second half was an “all world” defender must have created a different definition of that phrase.

[msmoore66]

Yeah I don't think the Chicago game is a good hill to die on to try make that point AaronB.

I am poking at “all world” defender. That is like shooting fish in a barrel. He is clearly not that. OG is not even in the discussion for DPOY. Results from the most important game of the season backs that up. Heck, in the second half, the most important half of the year, they dropped a 19 point lead. They could not get stops. Anyone saying that any player 0n that court in the second half was an “all world” defender must have created a different definition of that phrase.

Yeah I can get on board with the All World thing, not even sure what that is. World Champs tournament team
But I also think you are coming in really hot from the other side. I don't think much from that game tells us anything about OG not being a good defender.
In fact, DeRozan scoring 23, of which a lot weren't even on OG indicates a positive impact no?

[AaronB]

So this is what I have learned so far from the board: OG was not guarding Lavine, now he was not guarding DDR.

Who was he guarding? Patrick Beverley?

This is who I want my "all world" defending: Beverley.

Note to board: I could guard Beverley and I have an artificial aortic valve.

Beverley can't shoot, not even a layup,

[msmoore66]

He was guarding DDR wasn't he.

"Most of DeRozan's scoring was off scramble plays and switches to get OG off of him and get a more favorable match up." - I don't think JF5 intended to imply he was guarding someone else...

[AaronB]

He was guarding DDR wasn't he.

"Most of DeRozan's scoring was off scramble plays and switches to get OG off of him and get a more favorable match up." - I don't think JF5 intended to imply he was guarding someone else...

This story gets more and more ludicrous.

[msmoore66]

I dont actually understand this crusade you are on mate. I'm literally just quoting from this thread and trying to understand how you are arriving at your statements from what others have said.

[cedric76]

Lol

LBJ … MJ …. Zach Lavine

1 name does not fit.

Your argument is ludicrous. The most important game of the year and Zach Lavine drops down 39 on your all world defender? That is a joke.

He is a nice player, slightly above average defender, nothing more.

I guess you didn't watch the game if you think OG was guarding Zach all game

So you have 1 all world defender playing the SG in your starting lineup. The opposing lineup SG is abusing your team for 39 and your response is to not allow your all world defender wing cover the guy abusing your team? Not sure that actually says anything good about your all world defender.

Lol, you didn't watch the game, just look at a box score and crap on a player with zero objectivity

You lost all credibility

[AaronB]

I guess you didn't watch the game if you think OG was guarding Zach all game

So you have 1 all world defender playing the SG in your starting lineup. The opposing lineup SG is abusing your team for 39 and your response is to not allow your all world defender wing cover the guy abusing your team? Not sure that actually says anything good about your all world defender.

Lol, you didn't watch the game, just look at a box score and crap on a player with zero objectivity

You lost all credibility

Actually, I am perfectly objective when it comes to OG. I don’t care if he is great or not. It truly does not matter.

What I find ludicrous is this “all world” moniker for a guy that has never made a first or second all defense team and he has been in the league 6 years.

He is clearly not a bad defender, but “all world”? Lol.

[SOUL]

I think people are undervaluing him but for this specific team, I would not give up that much.

[AaronB]

I am not even concerned wit his value. He is a nice player.

I just keep going back to this "all world" moniker and looked at the anecdotal evidence.

Most important game of the year, most important half of the year, team is up by 19 points and the team is getting torched by the opposing teams wings.

You have an "all world" wing on the court and your team cannot get stops and what the poster's on this board are saying is your"all world" wing was not getting beat by the opposing teams wings. It was someone else.

There are only 5 guys on the court for each team so if my "all world" defender wing is not covering the opposing wings, then he has to be covering someone else.

That someone else is looking more and more like Beverley and every player in the NBA would look like an "all world" defender if his responsibilities are Beverley. He can barely make a layup.

None of this argument adds up.

[Knightro]

Just for the hell of it, I went back and watched all of DeRozan and LaVine's field goal attempts in the play in game with small notes on what happened.

DeRozan
against Anunoby
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-3PT MISSED (good D)
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE and 1 (good D, better O)
-10 foot floater MISSED (good D)
-17 foot jumper MISSED (good D - blocked by OG)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-20 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-7 foot floater MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 6-14

against Barnes
-12 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
-16 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - FVV and Poeltl botch Lavine/Vucevic pick and roll, OG rotates correctly, LaVine hits DeRozan for uncontested dunk when Barnes makes final rotation too late)
TOTAL: 2-3

against Trent Jr.
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 1-1

against Poeltl
-10 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
TOTAL: 1-1


LaVine
against VanVleet
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D, FVV and Poeltl nearly collide giving LaVine an open lane)
-driving layup MISSED (good D, funneled LaVine into good Barnes help D)
-corner 3PT MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV, LaVine gets and 1 on Poeltl help D)
-20 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-missed 3PT (good D, end of quarter deep heave)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV)
TOTAL: 5-8

against Siakam
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
-reverse layup MADE (bad D - Siakam totally lost sight of his man on a scramble play)
-21 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 1-3

against Anunoby
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 0-1

against Achiuwa
-driving 5 foot floater MISSED (good D)
TOTAL 0-1

against Barnes
-transition layup MADE (not much Barnes can do off a turnover)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by Barnes, LaVine gets and 1 on Siakam help D)
-spot up 3PT MADE (bad D - Barnes over helps on DDR drive, easy kick to LaVine for 3PT)
-20 foot stepback MADE (good D, better O)
-pull up 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 4-5

against Boucher
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by Boucher, but Poeltl rotates over and blocks the shot)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - Boucher gives up too much ground in drop PnR coverage, LaVine attacks him and scores and 1)
TOTAL 1-2

against Trent
-pull up 3PT MADE (bad D - GTJ gave up too much ground in transition, LaVine pulled up with minimal contest)
-OREB tip in MISSED (Trent got a body on him, but LaVine just missed a relatively uncontested put back)
TOTAL 1-2

[pepe1991]

OG is good player , very good starter.

But he ain't SG, he will be UFA very soon and command lot of money.

I don't know, i think it Raptors really have no desire to lose him, rather test market to see can they bait anybody into overpay.

Teams that could really use him are Memphis and Pacers. That would be best situations for him.

I think that if Raptors are blowing out roster, SIakam is biggest domino to fall.

[AaronB]

Just for the hell of it, I went back and watched all of DeRozan and LaVine's field goal attempts in the play in game with small notes on what happened.

DeRozan
against Anunoby
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-3PT MISSED (good D)
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE and 1 (good D, better O)
-10 foot floater MISSED (good D)
-17 foot jumper MISSED (good D - blocked by OG)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-20 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-7 foot floater MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 6-14

against Barnes
-12 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
-16 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - FVV and Poeltl botch Lavine/Vucevic pick and roll, OG rotates correctly, LaVine hits DeRozan for uncontested dunk when Barnes makes final rotation too late)
TOTAL: 2-3

against Trent Jr.
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 1-1

against Poeltl
-10 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
TOTAL: 1-1


LaVine
against VanVleet
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D, FVV and Poeltl nearly collide giving LaVine an open lane)
-driving layup MISSED (good D, funneled LaVine into good Barnes help D)
-corner 3PT MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV, LaVine gets and 1 on Poeltl help D)
-20 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-missed 3PT (good D, end of quarter deep heave)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV)
TOTAL: 5-8

against Siakam
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
-reverse layup MADE (bad D - Siakam totally lost sight of his man on a scramble play)
-21 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 1-3

against Anunoby
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 0-1

against Achiuwa
-driving 5 foot floater MISSED (good D)
TOTAL 0-1

against Barnes
-transition layup MADE (not much Barnes can do off a turnover)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by Barnes, LaVine gets and 1 on Siakam help D)
-spot up 3PT MADE (bad D - Barnes over helps on DDR drive, easy kick to LaVine for 3PT)
-20 foot stepback MADE (good D, better O)
-pull up 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 4-5

against Boucher
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by Boucher, but Poeltl rotates over and blocks the shot)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - Boucher gives up too much ground in drop PnR coverage, LaVine attacks him and scores and 1)
TOTAL 1-2

against Trent
-pull up 3PT MADE (bad D - GTJ gave up too much ground in transition, LaVine pulled up with minimal contest)
-OREB tip in MISSED (Trent got a body on him, but LaVine just missed a relatively uncontested put back)
TOTAL 1-2

Nice package.

To summarize, of DDR's 14 shots against OG, 4 (regardless of make or miss) of them were against OG's bad defense.

Sounds like an "All World" defender and NBA DPOY to me.

[JF5]

Just for the hell of it, I went back and watched all of DeRozan and LaVine's field goal attempts in the play in game with small notes on what happened.

DeRozan
against Anunoby
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-3PT MISSED (good D)
-19 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE and 1 (good D, better O)
-10 foot floater MISSED (good D)
-17 foot jumper MISSED (good D - blocked by OG)
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by OG, but couldn't finish over Poeltl)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - over help by OG on LaVine created open path)
-20 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (good D, better O)
-7 foot floater MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 6-14

against Barnes
-12 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
-16 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
-driving dunk MADE (bad D - FVV and Poeltl botch Lavine/Vucevic pick and roll, OG rotates correctly, LaVine hits DeRozan for uncontested dunk when Barnes makes final rotation too late)
TOTAL: 2-3

against Trent Jr.
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
TOTAL: 1-1

against Poeltl
-10 foot floater MADE (OREB putback)
TOTAL: 1-1


LaVine
against VanVleet
-18 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-driving layup MADE (bad D, FVV and Poeltl nearly collide giving LaVine an open lane)
-driving layup MISSED (good D, funneled LaVine into good Barnes help D)
-corner 3PT MISSED (good D)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV, LaVine gets and 1 on Poeltl help D)
-20 foot jumper MADE (good D, better O)
-missed 3PT (good D, end of quarter deep heave)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by FVV)
TOTAL: 5-8

against Siakam
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
-reverse layup MADE (bad D - Siakam totally lost sight of his man on a scramble play)
-21 foot jumper MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 1-3

against Anunoby
-stepback 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 0-1

against Achiuwa
-driving 5 foot floater MISSED (good D)
TOTAL 0-1

against Barnes
-transition layup MADE (not much Barnes can do off a turnover)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - blew by Barnes, LaVine gets and 1 on Siakam help D)
-spot up 3PT MADE (bad D - Barnes over helps on DDR drive, easy kick to LaVine for 3PT)
-20 foot stepback MADE (good D, better O)
-pull up 3PT MISSED (good D)
TOTAL: 4-5

against Boucher
-driving layup MISSED (bad D - blew by Boucher, but Poeltl rotates over and blocks the shot)
-driving layup MADE (bad D - Boucher gives up too much ground in drop PnR coverage, LaVine attacks him and scores and 1)
TOTAL 1-2

against Trent
-pull up 3PT MADE (bad D - GTJ gave up too much ground in transition, LaVine pulled up with minimal contest)
-OREB tip in MISSED (Trent got a body on him, but LaVine just missed a relatively uncontested put back)
TOTAL 1-2

Nice package.

To summarize, of DDR's 14 shots against OG, 4 (regardless of make or miss) of them were against OG's bad defense.

Sounds like an "All World" defender and NBA DPOY to me.

Lol, he ended being 4/10 against OG in situations where he didn't over help in driving.

That's pretty good considering that he was guarding an offensive allstar.

Lol, first you said LaVine torched him which wasn't true. Then you said Demar killed him but only scored 8 points on him off 4/10 shooting in situations he didnt over help.

I don't know man...