2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

[Skin]

Every time I try to look at Black's game to try to like him, I just can't. His game is trash. Looks like a full on bust to me. Maybe people like him because it says "PG" next to his position, but he's a weak ass PG and if he had a SG or SF next to his name instead, I think he'd be a low 1st rounder based on his game and numbers.

I would take Ausar 10 times out of 10 and I'm not even a big fan of Ausar.

[cedric76]

Gradey Dick is Corey Kispert - NO!

Coulibaly should be our guy at 6 at this point… Please watch these games his playing in a title run… He has a motor, has great basketball IQ/intuition, had the size and wingspan to go along with incredible athleticism…

Coulibaly at 6
Hendricks if he falls, JHS, or Lively at 11

Coulibaly at 6.
The board here would riot.
Hendricks at 6, Coulibaly at 11.

Riot for sure but this board is clueless so it might be a good sign

I m very worried that bills is gone by 10.

Billal has the potential to be the next ANUNOBY or even Kawhi , may he reach it? Who knows, but I for sure would take the gamble at #11

He is the best defender in this draft, he would be perfect next to Franz and Paolo

If we r not in love with anyone at 6, I would trade 6 to Utah for 9+ Future FRPs

Take billal at 9 and use 11 for BPA

This board will go crazy if we ended up with Billal+ lively lol

But this might be the best draft long term


Next season

Fultz, suggs,cole
Suggs, Gary , Billal
Franz, Chuma, houstan, BOL
Paolo, JI, Moe
WCJ,gogo,lively


Next summer, big money to spend on FA to add on core group

Fultz,suggs, Billal, Franz, Paolo, WCJ, lively

[cedric76]

https://www.nba.com/news/bleacher-report-2023-mock-draft-june-5

Would absolutely love this….

I can't see us draft black, but I like the 11th pick

[KillMonger]

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really enjoyed this conversation....what i liked about what was said about jarace? He has a great feel for the game and that's always a big plus for me when looking at draft prospects, it's the same reason why i like Anthony Black as he has a great feel for the game...what i didn't like is that they might not buy into the jumpshot and his odd aversion to contact offensively for someone that big and strong......

What was said about hendricks that i liked? He has a lot of tools and they buy into the jumpshot at least catch and shoot wise and that he attacks the rim strong.....what i didn't like is that he may not have a good feel for the game....and it was also alluded to that he may have needed touches offensively to be more engaged defensively, i don't like that at all.....

[pepe1991]

Sekou Doumbouya, Killian Hayes, Theo Maldeon, and Frank Ntikilina all arived from French league to NBA to turn into some of the worst busts out there.

French league isn't all that good, it's not even top 5 league national viase in Europe (Spanish, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Israel, Lithuania,ABA are just some of few much better). One of two French representators in Euroleague just finished dead last in standings, where Monaco was very solid ( team Coulibaly & Wemby meet in finals).


But this "epic raise" of Coulibaly is laughable to me. For a season guy shoots 60% FTs, has very slow shot mechanic from deep that can't work in nba, has shaky ballhandling skills and over 35 +games guy made 18 threes. But here he is being sold as shooter.


Guy should be late lottery- mid first round pick and will need 1,2,3 years to be nba ready. And here people are too scared to "not be there at 6".

Ley low off pipe you didn't know he exist week ago.

Last year's Coulibaliy was Ousmane Dieng. You can probably take him off OKC for free.

[Ducklett]

Sekou Doumbouya, Killian Hayes, Theo Maldeon, and Frank Ntikilina all arived from French league to NBA to turn into some of the worst busts out there.

French league isn't all that good, it's not even top 5 league national viase in Europe (Spanish, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Israel, Lithuania,ABA are just some of few much better). One of two French representators in Euroleague just finished dead last in standings, where Monaco was very solid ( team Coulibaly & Wemby meet in finals).


But this "epic raise" of Coulibaly is laughable to me. For a season guy shoots 60% FTs, has very slow shot mechanic from deep that can't work in nba, has shaky ballhandling skills and over 35 +games guy made 18 threes. But here he is being sold as shooter.


Guy should be late lottery- mid first round pick and will need 1,2,3 years to be nba ready. And here people are too scared to "not be there at 6".

Ley low off pipe you didn't know he exist week ago.

Last year's Coulibaliy was Ousmane Dieng. You can probably take him off OKC for free.

Damn! Looks like Wemby is about to be a bust boys!

[Skin]

Sekou Doumbouya, Killian Hayes, Theo Maldeon, and Frank Ntikilina all arived from French league to NBA to turn into some of the worst busts out there.

French league isn't all that good, it's not even top 5 league national viase in Europe (Spanish, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Israel, Lithuania,ABA are just some of few much better). One of two French representators in Euroleague just finished dead last in standings, where Monaco was very solid ( team Coulibaly & Wemby meet in finals).


But this "epic raise" of Coulibaly is laughable to me. For a season guy shoots 60% FTs, has very slow shot mechanic from deep that can't work in nba, has shaky ballhandling skills and over 35 +games guy made 18 threes. But here he is being sold as shooter.


Guy should be late lottery- mid first round pick and will need 1,2,3 years to be nba ready. And here people are too scared to "not be there at 6".

Ley low off pipe you didn't know he exist week ago.

Last year's Coulibaliy was Ousmane Dieng. You can probably take him off OKC for free.

I don't buy him either.

[KillMonger]

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[KillMonger]

consensus lottery mock from 62 different boards

[eyriq]

consensus lottery mock from 62 different boards

Cason Wallace and Ausar Thompson would be such an epic backcourt overhaul.

Edit: I will not be surprised if the Thompson's are better than any college prospect this year.

[pepe1991]

Sekou Doumbouya, Killian Hayes, Theo Maldeon, and Frank Ntikilina all arived from French league to NBA to turn into some of the worst busts out there.

French league isn't all that good, it's not even top 5 league national viase in Europe (Spanish, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Israel, Lithuania,ABA are just some of few much better). One of two French representators in Euroleague just finished dead last in standings, where Monaco was very solid ( team Coulibaly & Wemby meet in finals).


But this "epic raise" of Coulibaly is laughable to me. For a season guy shoots 60% FTs, has very slow shot mechanic from deep that can't work in nba, has shaky ballhandling skills and over 35 +games guy made 18 threes. But here he is being sold as shooter.


Guy should be late lottery- mid first round pick and will need 1,2,3 years to be nba ready. And here people are too scared to "not be there at 6".

Ley low off pipe you didn't know he exist week ago.

Last year's Coulibaliy was Ousmane Dieng. You can probably take him off OKC for free.

Damn! Looks like Wemby is about to be a bust boys!

Victor is player that most of the basketball world knows for several years now.

Those MSM and nba outlets feed fans with this crappy highlight - heavily edited videos of those players where everybody looks like Durant. Because full possessions aren't being made.

It's hilarious that guy is projected "shooting guard" but there is almost no footage of him handling ball and very, very limited amount of footage of him actually--shooting a damn ball. But they will spam you with transition layups and open floor dunks by using footages of him not just from pro french league but youth league that he also plays.

But dirty little secret about that other league: it's non- professional league and made out of junior-contract signed kids. Portion of competition there is made out of kids up to 2 and 3 years younger than him. Matter of fact he played that league last year.
Youngest player i found in that league, Adrien Niedergang, was 15.


It takes apsolute effort to even find Culibaliy's actual numbers. So there is not a single soul out there, who is working to hype those draft prospects up, to tell you that projected shooting guard has negative assist- to turnover ratio ( 43 vs 45)

Isn't it ironic how all media outlets "forget to tell you" how he was on U18 Eurobasket last year, and wasn't even starter on French national team?
How he was backup to Kyman Houinsou who is now water carrier on Washington college ? Or how he couldn't outplay Sidy Cissoko who is now projected to fall near end of first round, or even to second? Again, this wasn't 5 years ago, it was 10 months ago.

If he isn't on team with Wemby, nobody would even notice him, but now people here talk about "should lock him up with 6th" . LIke what an actual f*** is wrong with them? Kid is far from perfect prospect, far from ready to play and will need years to develop to even be rotation peace.

[pepe1991]

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This is everything i hate about media summed up

* context * - non existing, never telling what game is to create narrative of importance.
It was pre-sesaon preparation tournament.

Two of best Mega players were "pros" Andrija Grbović and Nikola Đurišić.

What twitter warriors "forgot" to mention is fact that one is 19 years old, other is 18.

But " professional" point had to be made to raise Thompson's twins value.Nevermind fact that on entire Mega roster only 2 players are actually older than 22 and twins faced bunch of 18-21 years old boys of same as as them.

But writer of tweet, also "forgot" to add that Đurišić apsolutley demolished and outplayed both twins, with 24 points, despite fact he is same age as them.
Writer also "forgot" to add actual shooting numbers. Amen 5-14 FG, 0 -4 for 3.

Writer also forgot to add that Ausar Thompson shot 7-20 FG on 0-5 for 3

For reference point ,that Đurišić wing, scored 24 points on 13 shots, going 4-4 for 3.

It's just filtered up, pre-draft bullsh*** that they are spamming on twitter , for draft that outside Miller, Wemby and Henderson really doesn't have much to show for, so they deploy manipulation and fabrications to hype rest of a group.

[cedric76]

Sekou Doumbouya, Killian Hayes, Theo Maldeon, and Frank Ntikilina all arived from French league to NBA to turn into some of the worst busts out there.

French league isn't all that good, it's not even top 5 league national viase in Europe (Spanish, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Israel, Lithuania,ABA are just some of few much better). One of two French representators in Euroleague just finished dead last in standings, where Monaco was very solid ( team Coulibaly & Wemby meet in finals).


But this "epic raise" of Coulibaly is laughable to me. For a season guy shoots 60% FTs, has very slow shot mechanic from deep that can't work in nba, has shaky ballhandling skills and over 35 +games guy made 18 threes. But here he is being sold as shooter.


Guy should be late lottery- mid first round pick and will need 1,2,3 years to be nba ready. And here people are too scared to "not be there at 6".

Ley low off pipe you didn't know he exist week ago.

Last year's Coulibaliy was Ousmane Dieng. You can probably take him off OKC for free.

Damn! Looks like Wemby is about to be a bust boys!

Victor is player that most of the basketball world knows for several years now.

Those MSM and nba outlets feed fans with this crappy highlight - heavily edited videos of those players where everybody looks like Durant. Because full possessions aren't being made.

It's hilarious that guy is projected "shooting guard" but there is almost no footage of him handling ball and very, very limited amount of footage of him actually--shooting a damn ball. But they will spam you with transition layups and open floor dunks by using footages of him not just from pro french league but youth league that he also plays.

But dirty little secret about that other league: it's non- professional league and made out of junior-contract signed kids. Portion of competition there is made out of kids up to 2 and 3 years younger than him. Matter of fact he played that league last year.
Youngest player i found in that league, Adrien Niedergang, was 15.


It takes apsolute effort to even find Culibaliy's actual numbers. So there is not a single soul out there, who is working to hype those draft prospects up, to tell you that projected shooting guard has negative assist- to turnover ratio ( 43 vs 45)

Isn't it ironic how all media outlets "forget to tell you" how he was on U18 Eurobasket last year, and wasn't even starter on French national team?
How he was backup to Kyman Houinsou who is now water carrier on Washington college ? Or how he couldn't outplay Sidy Cissoko who is now projected to fall near end of first round, or even to second? Again, this wasn't 5 years ago, it was 10 months ago.

If he isn't on team with Wemby, nobody would even notice him, but now people here talk about "should lock him up with 6th" . LIke what an actual f*** is wrong with them? Kid is far from perfect prospect, far from ready to play and will need years to develop to even be rotation peace.

Pepe peping, now he is a French League expert

Please stop

[dsg2021]

I would grab Hood-Schifino at 11th and even 6th in the draft ten times out of ten over Black at 6th or 11th. JHS is the closest you are allowed to get to Haliburton and SGA to me. Not Black or Bufkin.

[dsg2021]

This is basically my case for Hood-Schifino. I simply share a couple things found.

From a Reddit post:
Synergy has Jalen Hood-Schifino as one of the best pull-up/off-the-dribble shooters in the entire draft, both from midrange and from 3P. Ultimately for me, pull-up 3P and midrange are really the shooting stats that matter most for guys who will be primary ball handlers, because that's how they're gonna affect the game. It's nice if Haliburton and Donovan Mitchell are elite catch and shoot 3P guys, but really you value their pull up 3P shooting, since it's a weapon in the PnR and when driving.

For context, JHS has a better pull-up 3P percentage (37% on 54 3PA) than premium shooters like Brandon Miller (33% on 76 3PA), Sensabaugh (26% on 31 3PA), Whitehead (36% on 22 3PA), Jett Howard (30% on 63 3PA), Jordan Hawkins (31% on 58 3PA), and Keyonte George (35% on 99 3PA).

Basically, the only lottery-caliber shooter in this draft with better pull-up 3P shooting is Gradey Dick, who shot a scorching 53.5% but only on 43 pull-up 3PA.

It doesn't end there. From off-dribble/pull-up midrangers, JHS (42% on 142 2PA) is in a tier with Brice Sensabaugh (53% (!!) on 97 2PA) and maybe Cason Wallace (45% on 58 2PA) and I guess Scoot Henderson (38% on 151 2PA).

Is there something here we're all missing in our evaluation of him? A guy with high level pull-up shooting and really good PnR feel/passing (which I think he might have) plus his excellent measurables and defensive upside... suddenly this guy is sounding like a comfortable lottery pick.

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I see a slower, homeless Steph Curry here. Insane handle of the ball. Sneaky elite passing. Deliberate in his orchestration.

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Smart decisions in a high level setting. I think he would have exploded in a sophomore year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rxNfCJxXuLE
On fire potential.

He gets on fire and stays like that. That's what you need in the Playoffs. Someone who gets on fire by themselves and doesn't feel the drought of teammates around him. But when he's not on fire, he will take sound drives if given to him, and his passing and his defense is always there too. And someone named Paolo Banchero who should be the point forward and point of attack more often too. I would not bat an eye or hesitate to take him 6th imho.

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[eyriq]

From a Reddit post:

Synergy has Jalen Hood-Schifino as one of the best pull-up/off-the-dribble shooters in the entire draft, both from midrange and from 3P. Ultimately for me, pull-up 3P and midrange are really the shooting stats that matter most for guys who will be primary ball handlers, because that's how they're gonna affect the game. It's nice if Haliburton and Donovan Mitchell are elite catch and shoot 3P guys, but really you value their pull up 3P shooting, since it's a weapon in the PnR and when driving.

For context, JHS has a better pull-up 3P percentage (37% on 54 3PA) than premium shooters like Brandon Miller (33% on 76 3PA), Sensabaugh (26% on 31 3PA), Whitehead (36% on 22 3PA), Jett Howard (30% on 63 3PA), Jordan Hawkins (31% on 58 3PA), and Keyonte George (35% on 99 3PA).

Basically, the only lottery-caliber shooter in this draft with better pull-up 3P shooting is Gradey Dick, who shot a scorching 53.5% but only on 43 pull-up 3PA.

It doesn't end there. From off-dribble/pull-up midrangers, JHS (42% on 142 2PA) is in a tier with Brice Sensabaugh (53% (!!) on 97 2PA) and maybe Cason Wallace (45% on 58 2PA) and I guess Scoot Henderson (38% on 151 2PA).

Is there something here we're all missing in our evaluation of him? A guy with high level pull-up shooting and really good PnR feel/passing (which I think he might have) plus his excellent measurables and defensive upside... suddenly this guy is sounding like a comfortable lottery pick.



I am also liking the idea of Cam Whitmore next to Hood-Schifino, and these two next to Franz Wagner and Paolo Banchero. Cam is very dangerous in catch and shoot and drives. Hood-Schifino is very dangerous in pull ups and PnR. A beautiful balance between them in their early careers. Then Paolo Banchero is very dangerous as the main point guard-forward, using Cam and Franz on the wings.

THAT is really interesting

[Petre1978]

Gradey Dick is Corey Kispert - NO!

Coulibaly should be our guy at 6 at this point… Please watch these games his playing in a title run… He has a motor, has great basketball IQ/intuition, had the size and wingspan to go along with incredible athleticism…

Coulibaly at 6
Hendricks if he falls, JHS, or Lively at 11

Coulibaly at 6.
The board here would riot.
Hendricks at 6, Coulibaly at 11.

Riot for sure but this board is clueless so it might be a good sign

I m very worried that bills is gone by 10.

Billal has the potential to be the next ANUNOBY or even Kawhi , may he reach it? Who knows, but I for sure would take the gamble at #11

He is the best defender in this draft, he would be perfect next to Franz and Paolo

If we r not in love with anyone at 6, I would trade 6 to Utah for 9+ Future FRPs

Take billal at 9 and use 11 for BPA

This board will go crazy if we ended up with Billal+ lively lol

But this might be the best draft long term


Next season

Fultz, suggs,cole
Suggs, Gary , Billal
Franz, Chuma, houstan, BOL
Paolo, JI, Moe
WCJ,gogo,lively


Next summer, big money to spend on FA to add on core group

Fultz,suggs, Billal, Franz, Paolo, WCJ, lively

100%

[Petre1978]

Damn! Looks like Wemby is about to be a bust boys!

Victor is player that most of the basketball world knows for several years now.

Those MSM and nba outlets feed fans with this crappy highlight - heavily edited videos of those players where everybody looks like Durant. Because full possessions aren't being made.

It's hilarious that guy is projected "shooting guard" but there is almost no footage of him handling ball and very, very limited amount of footage of him actually--shooting a damn ball. But they will spam you with transition layups and open floor dunks by using footages of him not just from pro french league but youth league that he also plays.

But dirty little secret about that other league: it's non- professional league and made out of junior-contract signed kids. Portion of competition there is made out of kids up to 2 and 3 years younger than him. Matter of fact he played that league last year.
Youngest player i found in that league, Adrien Niedergang, was 15.


It takes apsolute effort to even find Culibaliy's actual numbers. So there is not a single soul out there, who is working to hype those draft prospects up, to tell you that projected shooting guard has negative assist- to turnover ratio ( 43 vs 45)

Isn't it ironic how all media outlets "forget to tell you" how he was on U18 Eurobasket last year, and wasn't even starter on French national team?
How he was backup to Kyman Houinsou who is now water carrier on Washington college ? Or how he couldn't outplay Sidy Cissoko who is now projected to fall near end of first round, or even to second? Again, this wasn't 5 years ago, it was 10 months ago.

If he isn't on team with Wemby, nobody would even notice him, but now people here talk about "should lock him up with 6th" . LIke what an actual f*** is wrong with them? Kid is far from perfect prospect, far from ready to play and will need years to develop to even be rotation peace.

Pepe peping, now he is a French League expert

Please stop

Agreed.
He is

[Petre1978]

Wallace at 6.
Best two way guard in this draft.

Lively at 11.