2023 Draft Receipts Thread

[DSN1423]

I came away from the draft underwhelmed, I was hoping for a trade of one of the picks for someone like a Simons etc. or that we packaged the picks to move up and get the 3rd or 4th pick.

The Black pick I am ok with, though not excited about, because you can see the upside and the IQ plus his versatility.

Jett was a reach, he would be available at 17/18 and we could have least got a future first as well from someone to move up. Dont mind he's offensive game and understand why we picked him but I just thought the value wasnt there at 11. Hopefully in time he proves me wrong.

I would have traded 6 for 9 & 16 from the Jazz and went;

9 - Lively
11 - Hawkins
16 - Podz

More bites of the cherry in a who knows what anyone is going to be type draft. Allows for alot more roster moves as I believe we are going to shuffle the deck soon in regards to our team makeup

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Last season, people stopped being a Magic fan because we didn't select Chet

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1 person did that.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I want to see pepe put some names down here

He will with stats in about a year.

[Ducklett]

Rumors are swirling that we wanted Cason Wallace at 11 and OKC moved up to snipe him from us. So, ignoring that, I can't say Lively would have been smart after Black at 6, and I don't have the bonus information of Whitmore's medical that made him drop. Maybe Black and Jett Howard were literally the best we could do with the circumstances. I am willing to admit that.

[SOUL]

I hadn't heard that at all. I think Toronto was trying to trade up for sure though.

[pepe1991]

Put me down for being happy with Black at 6. I liked him.

Would’ve gone Cason at 11 but he was already off the board. So without making a trade up for Cason I probably take Podz as my shooter. Not unhappy with Jett though.

Ben loves his basketball teams antonymus to his D. dysfunctional, anemic and can't shoot.

[pepe1991]

I want to see pepe put some names down here

He will with stats in about a year.

If you actually bothered to read ( and i guess it's fine since we had like 500000 new posts in a day) i did pick people i would draft before draft.

6# Hendricks
11# Hawkins


I have no issues with Black as pick. I wrote back in Jaunary 11th "I would love Anthony Black if he can convice me he can be more of a playmaker "

They went with player who they belive is BPA. Fine.


But to me, at 11, picking Jett Howard is simply reach. For start people who have him slotted at SG over Gary Harris probably never watched 5 min of actual game footage of his in their lifes. He can't move fast enough to contain SFs , guards just blow by him. Guy is flat footed even at college and can't guard space that is narrower than in nba ( against 15 times faster, better players).

Him skipping combine is very clear red flag, as he didn't want to even do casual measurments. And it really doesn't take long if you watch him to understand why he skipped drills. There is not a single drill/measurment/ polygon in a world where you put DIck, Jett and Hawkins on it and Jett ever comes on top at anything.


And look, majority of his problems simply aren't solvable. It's not like he lacks discipline or is too wild or is underfed 180 pounds body that lacks strenght. Guy had elite defensive numbers at highschool. I'm talking about DPOY on paper at highschool. Than NCAA season started and he was simply bad defender. He didn't forgot how to defend, it's just level of competition that runned him over because he is simply too slow footed to stay in front of people , and as a result, he leaves defensive stand to appear bigger, than he gets cought out of position or forgets to return in stand . And in general he only was guarding guards when he 100% was forced to do so. In vast majority of a games he was tasked to guard PFs or SFs. and keep in mind that Michigan is one of few college teams that has funcuional center that hides at least 40% of defensive individual issues of others as Dickinson averages near 20-10 on 2 blocks and protects rim better than 95% of Cs at college level last year were able to do.

Even Jett's assists ( 2 a game) are bit inflated due how he gets them, people here talk about some creative dribbler. Those people are on some serious stuff or again, simply never watched single game of his. I hope second is a case. But in general lot of assists from all Mitcihan players are just - dumping ball down low to Dikinson so he can turn shoulder and throw hook. You get assist for doing literally nothing.

Should i point out that Mitchigan had games where Dickinson had 14 out of team's 31 Field Goal Mades? Or 12 out of 29?

And that's the whole problem with Jett Howard. He is distant 3rd best player ( at best) of mediocre 18-16 college team that has elite center and very good college guard ( Kobe). Jett Howard litearlly just plays ( better) version of Caleb Houstan from last year. And his profile ( flatfooted tall, unathletic, shooter who can't rebound nor defend) is almost identical.
Houstan was just 35,5% three point shooter on 10 ppg, where Jett is 14 ppg shooter on 36,8% for 3.

Those Wagner comparisons are the worst. Franz played on version of MItchigan's team that was elite. I think 5 or 6 men out of that roster turned into pro basketball players , in G league or in other leagues ( Smith in New Zeland, Davis in Poland , Wagner in nba etc). And just kind a ignore that Franz Wagner was 16 years old when he turned pro playing for ALBA Berlin ( and you can find footages of him actually being decent for 16 years old vs pros).


To wrap this big fat post up that orginally i had no intentions to be this big:

6# pick - im fine with
11th pick- Gradey Dick , Cam if his medical record isn't terrible ( if you are willing to gamble on health of Fultz, Bol, Isaac, Okeke , why stop with 11th pick when you can swing for biggest upside? Instad you take player who, imo, has mediocre floor and very little upside due very limited physical atributes.

[drsd]

The Magic drafted Suggs 2.0 and Houstan 2.0. Both players can be projected to be better than the 1.0 versions; so in that, there are clear upgrades.

[drsd]

6. Better player picked after them
11. Better player picked after them

Don't ask me which one, but I WILL be complaining years from now once I figure out who it is with hindsight

And-1. But to play devlils advocate, there will probably be other tennis that passed up on said player(s). For me the question is draft value, not "did a team draft the future Hall of Famer". That's can't be known.

It is likely Black can evolve in to an NBA starter after a couple years and it is likely that Howard will be a nice rotational player by next year. So: Orlando got value with these two picks.

In the second round, Leonard Miller and Tristan Vukčević both have future-starter potential. I will keep my aye on their careers, respectively.

[basketballRob]

I liked Dick, Bufkin, Nick Smith, Lively, and Keyonte over Howard. It was a very puzzling pick.

I think Welman will be judged harshly if this blows up on him.

Houstan is 3 months younger than Jett and probably a better prospect, and people here are already ready to let him go.

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[SOUL]

I
Houstan is 3 months younger than Jett and probably a better prospect, and people here are already ready to let him go.

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I don't think there's anything to back that up. Certainly not college impact. Jett didn't exactly light the world on fire (post injury) and still had way better advanced numbers.

[basketballRob]

I
Houstan is 3 months younger than Jett and probably a better prospect, and people here are already ready to let him go.

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I don't think there's anything to back that up. Certainly not college impact. Jett didn't exactly light the world on fire (post injury) and still had way better advanced numbers.

Houstan was over 1 year younger. I'll be interested to see which player looks better this season. I'm sure Houstan will be on the summer league, too.

Houstan was 6 in his class, and Jett was 34.

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[tiderulz]

I liked Dick, Bufkin, Nick Smith, Lively, and Keyonte over Howard. It was a very puzzling pick.

I think Welman will be judged harshly if this blows up on him.

Houstan is 3 months younger than Jett and probably a better prospect, and people here are already ready to let him go.

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by the fans. i dont think ownership will care

[bigdogdylan5]

If the Magic do the right thing and open up a spot for Black at PG, I’m fine with him as the pick at 6.

If they don’t, I would have picked Hendricks at 6.

I would have picked Whitmore at 11 regardless.

I really do wonder what happened with Whitmore. A guy on the draft board says he heard that there were 'multiple multiple red flags' with him. It didn't sound all medical related to me.

It was two things. There was a medical issue that about 20-30% of teams probably just took him off their board. The other was the character red flags. He had one of the lowest assist rates for a prospect he just never passed the ball. Also there was speculation when teams called his coach they didn’t really get a ringing endorsement which is really unheard of for top prospects. Also apparently really stunk it up in interviews. He is very introverted and teams left those kinda wondering if he even cares. All huge red flags. Hollinger said actually some teams were scared off by us because we could have legitimately picked him twice and passed him up twice. They think we had intel that they didn’t. Which is interesting.

Ultimately this guy was not a Weltman guy.

[basketballRob]

I liked Dick, Bufkin, Nick Smith, Lively, and Keyonte over Howard. It was a very puzzling pick.

I think Welman will be judged harshly if this blows up on him.

Houstan is 3 months younger than Jett and probably a better prospect, and people here are already ready to let him go.

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by the fans. i dont think ownership will care

I think he'll hear the feedback from fans. We had to suffer through 10 years to get that pick. If he wants to do personal favors with our picks, then he needs to go.

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[[whistler]]

I'm okay with the picks. Also I don't think these guys will show out in Summer League either so we'll have to wait.

[MagicFan101]

I'm keeping my eye on Scoot compared to Black. Both are in similar positions. Scoot may not start in Portland.

A lot of posters wanted to trade for Scoot and even give them Franz.

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I didn’t see much of that.

Most of the noise was around acquiring Scoot to build out our Big-3. Including Franz was a non-starter.

[MagicFan101]

I’m fine with this draft.

As always, now that Black is the pick it comes down to how we develop him and the role we carve out for him but in a vacuum I’m okay with it.

At 11 I would have gone with Gradey Dick. Still, I am learning more about Jett Howard and see enough bright spots to give him and the org the benefit of the doubt. If anything I would have preferred trading down a few spots to still get him??

End of the day, I’m fine with the draft itself but we need some housekeeping trades to make them fit.

[IllMagic04]

Got no problem putting my name on it.
Hendricks at 6. Not sure if us taking Hendricks causes a chain reaction to make 11 different. I wanted Wallace at 11 but if the trade still happens in this alternate reality then Hawkings at 11.

I do like Jett so a trade down to get him would be acceptable too. But I was completely opposed to us taking Black. That was not a good pick. Print the recipt. Staple it to my Paolo recipts.. and my Bouknight receipts

[Fortune Teller]

#6 — Hendricks
#11 — Dick

That would’ve given the Magic 2 good shooters at 2 different positions.

Trading #11 for an established vet would have been my preference. Not trading the pick, and using it to reach on a player projected to go in the 20s, did not make a lot of sense.