Who wants KCP?

[basketballRob]

I agree Reaves is propably too expensive for us and is not good enough playmaker of defender for our needs.

I think he is great fit, underrated playmaker and very good player. But guy averages 20-6. He will get his $35M from somebody eventually.

I don't give a f??? about guard defense, our offense is unwatchable parody of basketball, if we can't find OFFENSIVE play maker who will give them another scoring punch and much needed offensive order, we are going nowhere any time soon.

Jokić, Murray, Porter are former nba champions, neither can guard his position well. Knicks are up 1-0 vs Celtics with Towns and Brunson.
Pacers look solid with team filled with questionable defenders, both Warriors starting guards are below average defenders.

I would take Reaves in a heartbeat if i can get rid of Isaac at some point next year to make salary pocked to keep him.

I think Reaves would be a significant enough add that you get him and look at the rest of the roster to find places to skimp over the next couple of years. When Weltman turns the corner into serious contention, he has to know that you need stars up front, bargains on the bench...On ORL, with the defensive support, Reaves could become an All-Star offensive weapon...not in a 30ppg Paolo way, but more like a mini-Jokic....shooting, scoring, playmaking, drawing fouls - whatever needs to be done that night to win...I really trust his BBIQ.

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[zaymon]

I agree Reaves is propably too expensive for us and is not good enough playmaker of defender for our needs.

I think he is great fit, underrated playmaker and very good player. But guy averages 20-6. He will get his $35M from somebody eventually.

I don't give a f??? about guard defense, our offense is unwatchable parody of basketball, if we can't find OFFENSIVE play maker who will give them another scoring punch and much needed offensive order, we are going nowhere any time soon.

Jokić, Murray, Porter are former nba champions, neither can guard his position well. Knicks are up 1-0 vs Celtics with Towns and Brunson.
Pacers look solid with team filled with questionable defenders, both Warriors starting guards are below average defenders.

I would take Reaves in a heartbeat if i can get rid of Isaac at some point next year to make salary pocked to keep him.

Agree.

This is why Weltman has an uphill battle.

He has to shed a TON of undesirable contracts this season to acquire any of these guards looking at upcoming pricier extensions (Coby White and Reaves).

It’s just more than “move players XYZ for good player and hope the value makes sense”. I just think he will end up having to attach picks + possibly AB to move off all this stupid money he can’t access otherwise for 2+ seasons.

Like, you have to get rid of 4-5 overpriced scrubs this offseason if you want to be in conversations with these players the same offseason you sign Paolo to a max contract. They have to do this while getting bench players back that make sense.

You basically have to move KCP, Carter, Isaac, Cole, possibly Goga, decline and restructure Moe, and decline Gary if we are talking about adding more salary.

At least we have those mid sized contracts. In the length of the contract none of them is overpayed. Yes we will have to attach picks but that was the plan all along. If they were good enough we would not have to trade them in the first place.
Salaries become strict. Teams will have to move decent players for financial reasons. Its not as bad as it seems. Easier than moving Vuc, AG and Fournier in one deadline.

[VFX]

I think he is great fit, underrated playmaker and very good player. But guy averages 20-6. He will get his $35M from somebody eventually.

I don't give a f??? about guard defense, our offense is unwatchable parody of basketball, if we can't find OFFENSIVE play maker who will give them another scoring punch and much needed offensive order, we are going nowhere any time soon.

Jokić, Murray, Porter are former nba champions, neither can guard his position well. Knicks are up 1-0 vs Celtics with Towns and Brunson.
Pacers look solid with team filled with questionable defenders, both Warriors starting guards are below average defenders.

I would take Reaves in a heartbeat if i can get rid of Isaac at some point next year to make salary pocked to keep him.

Agree.

This is why Weltman has an uphill battle.

He has to shed a TON of undesirable contracts this season to acquire any of these guards looking at upcoming pricier extensions (Coby White and Reaves).

It’s just more than “move players XYZ for good player and hope the value makes sense”. I just think he will end up having to attach picks + possibly AB to move off all this stupid money he can’t access otherwise for 2+ seasons.

Like, you have to get rid of 4-5 overpriced scrubs this offseason if you want to be in conversations with these players the same offseason you sign Paolo to a max contract. They have to do this while getting bench players back that make sense.

You basically have to move KCP, Carter, Isaac, Cole, possibly Goga, decline and restructure Moe, and decline Gary if we are talking about adding more salary.

At least we have those mid sized contracts. In the length of the contract none of them is overpayed. Yes we will have to attach picks but that was the plan all along. If they were good enough we would not have to trade them in the first place.
Salaries become strict. Teams will have to move decent players for financial reasons. Its not as bad as it seems. Easier than moving Vuc, AG and Fournier in one deadline.

It was the plan to slightly overpay a few mid to low end production players and then attach positive assets to move them after the fact?

Are they overpaid based on the contract length? No. Unfortunately, Weltman has to move them sooner than later because he has to make the roster better NOW along with Paolo's max extension in mind. Sure, he can stay under the 2nd apron if he decides to not make upgrades... but that defeats the purpose of what he needs to do this very moment.

Orlando's draft picks are actually valuable now in both ways... They can save them money or land them a higher valued asset. Yeah, moving AG and Fournier for nothing after waiting around was somehow more difficult than moving a bunch of random role players nobody wants for positive assets.

[basketballRob]

Let's trade for Nembhard, Pritchard, and Reaves with Goga, Jett, and some draft picks.

Seriously, tho. They are all on great contracts, and I can't see them being moved.

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[Viper1500]

I actually like KCP, it’s unfortunate he makes 22m a year.

[The Effect]

KCP could be part of a trade (filler) with the Lakers involving Banchero for Luka.
The Wagner/Banchero experiment is over. It’s like Shaq/Webber. Wagner needs an elite PG or Center.

Thanks man, needed that today

[The Effect]

I actually like KCP, it’s unfortunate he makes 22m a year.

Say his contract was for 10m a year.........i still couldnt think of anything about him that i like as a player and would think of him as a negative asset

[Anderson Hunt]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

[jonbob17]

I think the right answer to this question is the Orlando Magic

[T-Cat]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Dude! Suggs and Black aren't natural playmakers and Suggs health is something we shouldn't depend on moving forward!

Front office had questions about his and Jonathan Isaac health years ago.

[T-Cat]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Dude! Suggs and Black aren't natural playmakers and Suggs health is something we shouldn't depend on moving forward!

Front office had questions about his and Jonathan Isaac health years ago.

[Skybox]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Does that work with salary matching? I like it...not sure it really solves any problems for LAL. They probably want a C for their best trade chips. Great for ORL. Vanderbilt is an under the radar Isaac replacement as Isaac provided Zero offense this season. Tough to keep guys like that on the floor in the modern NBA...Vanderbilt isn't as impactful as Isaac defensively, but he's very good and can switch all over like Isaac. Reaves is the obvious target, but all 4 of those guys are appealing. Vanderbilt still has 3 more years, peaking at around $13m, which is obviously less than Isaac, but he really provides NO offense and doesn't even take enough 3's to demand defensive attention. Isaac, at least conceivably , COULD have a good shooting night. Vandy is like Fultz out on the perimeter. But I still like it overall.

[Anderson Hunt]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Does that work with salary matching? I like it...not sure it really solves any problems for LAL. They probably want a C for their best trade chips. Great for ORL. Vanderbilt is an under the radar Isaac replacement as Isaac provided Zero offense this season. Tough to keep guys like that on the floor in the modern NBA...Vanderbilt isn't as impactful as Isaac defensively, but he's very good and can switch all over like Isaac. Reaves is the obvious target, but all 4 of those guys are appealing. Vanderbilt still has 3 more years, peaking at around $13m, which is obviously less than Isaac, but he really provides NO offense and doesn't even take enough 3's to demand defensive attention. Isaac, at least conceivably , COULD have a good shooting night. Vandy is like Fultz out on the perimeter. But I still like it overall.

The Lakers get the picks and on the floor they get a defensively versatile big in Isaac and a 3&D guard to balance out Doncic.

[SloNick Russia]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Does that work with salary matching? I like it...not sure it really solves any problems for LAL. They probably want a C for their best trade chips. Great for ORL. Vanderbilt is an under the radar Isaac replacement as Isaac provided Zero offense this season. Tough to keep guys like that on the floor in the modern NBA...Vanderbilt isn't as impactful as Isaac defensively, but he's very good and can switch all over like Isaac. Reaves is the obvious target, but all 4 of those guys are appealing. Vanderbilt still has 3 more years, peaking at around $13m, which is obviously less than Isaac, but he really provides NO offense and doesn't even take enough 3's to demand defensive attention. Isaac, at least conceivably , COULD have a good shooting night. Vandy is like Fultz out on the perimeter. But I still like it overall.

The Lakers get the picks and on the floor they get a defensively versatile big in Isaac and a 3&D guard to balance out Doncic.

They don't have a C at all and Goga is healthy, available and is on a good contract.
Goga can play up to 30 mins, JI can't.
The true reason why LAL need to trade Reeves is because they can't afford to play him on defense with Luka and old Lebron, Wolves highlighed that well. They have the scoring, but could use a guy like KCP to balance the roster. The contract situation changed dramaticly in the NBA. Teams with cap space do not exist nowdays, there is no way Reeves gets 30M from anybody outside of his current orgainzation.
KCP is more valuble then we give him credit for. He gives you 30 quality veteran mins in the playoffs with good defense. Denver would love him over MPJ now days.

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[Skybox]

Does that work with salary matching? I like it...not sure it really solves any problems for LAL. They probably want a C for their best trade chips. Great for ORL. Vanderbilt is an under the radar Isaac replacement as Isaac provided Zero offense this season. Tough to keep guys like that on the floor in the modern NBA...Vanderbilt isn't as impactful as Isaac defensively, but he's very good and can switch all over like Isaac. Reaves is the obvious target, but all 4 of those guys are appealing. Vanderbilt still has 3 more years, peaking at around $13m, which is obviously less than Isaac, but he really provides NO offense and doesn't even take enough 3's to demand defensive attention. Isaac, at least conceivably , COULD have a good shooting night. Vandy is like Fultz out on the perimeter. But I still like it overall.

The Lakers get the picks and on the floor they get a defensively versatile big in Isaac and a 3&D guard to balance out Doncic.

They don't have a C at all and Goga is healthy, available and is on a good contract.
Goga can play up to 30 mins, JI can't.
The true reason why LAL need to trade Reeves is because they can't afford to play him on defense with Luka and old Lebron, Wolves highlighed that well. They have the scoring, but could use a guy like KCP to balance the roster. The contract situation changed dramaticly in the NBA. Teams with cap space do not exist nowdays, there is no way Reeves gets 30M from anybody outside of his current orgainzation.
KCP is more valuble then we give him credit for. He gives you 30 quality veteran mins in the playoffs with good defense. Denver would love him over MPJ now days.

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I agree about KCP...I think he makes any team better for having him and I don't even think he's a negative value, though overpaid...it's just a matter of team construction & redundancy vs cap space. I could think of lots of teams that could have an interest...CLE sure could have used his toughness and he's definitely big enough to defend 3's if needed.

[JRoy]

I think the right answer to this question is the Orlando Magic

That’s pretty funny.

[cedric76]

Who wants KCP? A team that needs 3 points, Defense and Veteran leadership

This is why he ll stay in Orlando, we need those kind of players , and he only make 14% of the cap and 12.7% the following season if he opts in (bargain)

[BadMofoPimp]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Dude! Suggs and Black aren't natural playmakers and Suggs health is something we shouldn't depend on moving forward!

Front office had questions about his and Jonathan Isaac health years ago.

Franz and Paolo are playmakers just like Lebron is. Lakers rarely had play makers at the PG position.

[Anderson Hunt]

Pope, Isaac, and two firsts
for
Reaves, Knecht, Vanderbilt, and Vincent

PG - Suggs - Black - Vincent
SG - Reaves - Anthony -
C --- Carter - Wagner - Bitadze
PF - Banchero - Vanderbilt - da Silva
SF - Wagner - Knecht - Howard

You're welcome.

Dude! Suggs and Black aren't natural playmakers and Suggs health is something we shouldn't depend on moving forward!

Front office had questions about his and Jonathan Isaac health years ago.

Franz and Paolo are playmakers just like Lebron is. Lakers rarely had play makers at the PG position.

So is Reaves. T-Cat couldn't get past the PG label on Suggs and Black, not knowing I put them there to denote they are defensive PGs.

[eyriq]

Dude! Suggs and Black aren't natural playmakers and Suggs health is something we shouldn't depend on moving forward!

Front office had questions about his and Jonathan Isaac health years ago.

Franz and Paolo are playmakers just like Lebron is. Lakers rarely had play makers at the PG position.

So is Reaves. T-Cat couldn't get past the PG label on Suggs and Black, not knowing I put them there to denote they are defensive PGs.

You have the correct labels, this board is absolutely obsessed with the positional debate though.