Another JJ thread....

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #41 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Bottom line is he is sitting the bench right now because he is not good enough to play.

That is the truth and what is going on.

It was the same way last year.

How many years will it be until he is seen as just a bad NBA player rather than someone who just needs a shot?

As of right now...I have been correct since the day we drafted him.

So all we can do is sit and wait...as each game goes by I am just being proven more and more correct.

And when his contract is up and he signs with a bottom 5 team in the NBA and gets about 20 minutes a game....don't come running back to me saying "look see, I told ya". Because this is exactly what is going to happen.

maginno · Post #42 » by **maginno** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:05 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:And when his contract is up and he signs with a bottom 5 team in the NBA and gets about 20 minutes a game....don't come running back to me saying "look see, I told ya". Because this is exactly what is going to happen.

Oh No you don't. You aren't going to get yourself out of the corner you painted yourself into that easy. You my friend are on record in this very thread that JJ cannot make it in the NBA. If he averages 20 minutes a game with ANY NBA team you would have been proven wrong. But then you have already been proven dead wrong in your logic. We don't need to wait on that. You admitted when it suited you that he hadn't played enough to make a determination about his shooting then turn right around and stated that it was enough to make a determination om anything else that suited you. Look up the word "duplicity".

Essentially now you are trying to hedge your bets. We are the ones that have been saying that JJ could be a solid contributor on the right team.

and no it won't be on a bottom four team at the end of this contract. It will probably be a pretty decent if not contending team looking for the extra outside threat. As long as he has value in the NBA as he now does you will continue to be wrong. A magic fan of all people would have to bea hypocrite not to recognize the amount of players that haven't fit here and gone on to do quite well in the NBA.

It continues to be an ignorant argument as any argument without sufficient evidence would be but if you can argue that JJ didn't do a "damn thing" IN COLLEGE despite being the player of the year as determined by the Associated Press you are capable of anything.

and don' try to wiggle out after your blunder you didn't say his team didn't do anything you specifically stated that "JJ himself" without reference to the team accomplished nothing in college hoops. Totally ignorant statement.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #43 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:32 pm

Never said JJ was incapable of playing in the league...I said he was a horrible NBA player.

All you do is attack me rather than speak on the issue.

As for JJ not doing anything....when I think of basketball, I think of winning and losing....not awards you get after you lose important games.

You are impossible to have a debate with...when you want to stop shelling out ignorant statements and just talk about the subject...let me know.

maginno · Post #44 » by **maginno** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:58 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:Never said JJ was incapable of playing in the league...I said he was a horrible NBA player.

Lies. Page two of this very thread you wrote

"He is nothing more than a good college player who can't make it in the NBA."

As for your other duck and run. Every year there are college players even great ones that come out of college not winning it all. All depends on your team. Duke did plenty of winning thats not "not a damn thing" and JJ got the award based on his accomplishments in college. That is still a "damn thing" himself. It is and forever will be an ignorant statement. Backpedal is all you are doing because you have no point that can stand the slightest scrutiny. You say everyone else has no point only to cover for your lack of one.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #45 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:18 pm

Going from player of the year to what would be a scrub on a bad team 2 or 3 years from now is not making it.

The reason why you claim I have no point is because you ignore them...any time I make a post that contains a good point you ignore it and then attack me instead.

knappy · Post #46 » by **knappy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:44 pm

My thoughts on JJ - two:

1. Play him consistently for 15 to 20 games giving him 15 to 20 minutes and see what we have
OR
2. Trade him for a solid PF as part of a package if necessary, but don't have him ride the bench

maginno · Post #47 » by **maginno** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:05 pm

Dude you said 20 minutes per not me. Get a grip. thats no scrub. Gaines who you immediately mentioned in the same breath played 71 game averaging 8 minutes a game with only 1.7 ppg. He played five years

JJ has played less than 1 year and what 3 months? already has 60 games averages even now 13 minutes a game and over 5 points in those limited minutes.

As to the rest? I'm officially bored.

grayson11 · Post #48 » by **grayson11** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:37 pm

Happyfoosball wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The other guards on the Magic are lousy defenders. I really don't see how Redick could be any worse. He's also being ruined on the bench. Young players have to play to reach their potiential.

You can't see how JJ can be any worse because you barely see him play. SVG does.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #49 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:55 am

Until the imaginary day in which JJ begins producing comes, I am right and no one has a valid argument to support that he is a good NBA player.

magicfanejc42 · Post #50 » by **magicfanejc42** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:59 am

grayson11 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You can't see how JJ can be any worse because you barely see him play. SVG does.

The thing is grayson, which I am suprised you don't see this.. But the Magic could have the WORST defensive back court in the NBA.. On top of the fact, we also have an offensively mediocre back court.. Something has to improve.. If the offensive end is going, so will the defense..

I just think he deserves a REAL chance..

Tar Heel, how can you say JJ is not a winner? Maybe he didn't win championships, but what I mean by being a winner, is that he NEVER gives up, always works his hardest, and does everything in his power to give his team the best chance to win... THAT is a winner.. He was also awarded for it, *see the TWO AP player of the year awards* just sayin....

JJ is a good player, and can be a great player off of the bench for us. But the coach is reluctant due to defense..

Also, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but every single time JJ gets some good minutes, he does well, and SVG says" he'll get a shot" or " JJ and Dwight put out the best efforts" or "JJ played great tonight" but then nothing happens...

I am starting to think that they are playing, Dooling,Bogans and Evans as much as possible, to be able to clear a spot for JJ.. There is no way a player that really fits a system perfect, and produces when given time gets traded unless something blows their socks off.. Also, let us not forget, when this team is down in the last few minutes, JJ is usually put in and gives us INSTANT offense.. That has to tell you something. That even sitting the entire game and having a low amount of in game experience a player can be relied on to come in and attempt to save the game with their skillset.

I am hoping and I pray every night, that Bogans and/or Dooling are gone by deadline...

magicfanejc42 · Post #51 » by **magicfanejc42** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:01 am

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:Until the imaginary day in which JJ begins producing comes, I am right and no one has a valid argument to support that he is a good NBA player.

Until you come out of your cave and realize, that every time JJ comes on the court and does something positive, your remarks are not taken seriously, and your arguement is hollow.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #52 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:06 am

magicfanejc42 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Until you come out of your cave and realize, that every time JJ comes on the court and does something positive, your remarks are not taken seriously, and your arguement is hollow.

So 2% of the time I am wrong...the other 98% I am right.

Sounds good to me.

flyingvee · Post #53 » by **flyingvee** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:17 am

Bottom line is he was very successful in college and name done of the top ten shooters of all-time. You dont let something like that waste away without giving him a real chance. No one can prove themselves playing well for 15 minutes one game and then not play the next 5 games. Whats worse is that thsoe ahead of him Bogans and Evans are nothing special and their defense isn't hot either. I can see him not playig cause there was someone like Ray Allen, or Kobe ahead of him, but BOGANS??? The backcourt is awful, you play JJ for good minutes a bunch of games and really see what he does in games. You can't tell by him in practice alone. Lots of players are dull in practice but suddenly shine when thrust in a starting role. Unfortunately sometimes it takes an injury for a player to get a chance to show his stuff.

I think JJ can do very well. Most others think not. I at least would like to see him get a chance and we can see, he'll either do well or fall flat on his face.

maginno · Post #54 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:24 am

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:Until the imaginary day in which JJ begins producing comes, I am right and no one has a valid argument to support that he is a good NBA player.

thats it keep running and switching points when you get nailed for being wrong. Not a soul in this thread said JJ is now a good NBA player. Your point is that he will and can never "make it" in the NBA.

Until the imaginary day in which Crystal balls can tell us the future all future days will continue to be imaginary because they haven't happened yet. Comprende amigo? Go and learn what that means grasshopper. Ponder the illusion of a future day being at the present real. :rofl:

maginno · Post #55 » by **maginno** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:08 am

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So 2% of the time I am wrong...the other 98% I am right.

Sounds good to me.

Did a quick check and out of the 6 times that I saw JJ get ten minutes or more in the box scores he was either in double digits or one shot away from double figures (2 points) four times. So crunching the numbers it seems that 4 out of 6 times he produced quite ably when given significant minutes and that makes you 66% of the time wrong which is good for you because so far in this thread you are doing a lot worse than 66% wrong with all the points you've got nailed with and had to back pedal on.

but hey when do you ever let facts get in your way? You always have your imaginary projections.

Its really quite amazing since the bigger , taller, faster , more athletic NBA players according to you should be swatting the ball right out of his hands . Not only is that not happening. He's shooting 46% even with long periods of not playing.

Lord Ashram · Post #56 » by **Lord Ashram** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:33 am

So, I didn't see the game tonight, but heard JJ actually got a few minutes... did he manage to score at all? Has the imaginary day come? And how badly did the other SG light the Magic up in the time he was in? Must have been brutal, since he is a crap NBA player. Any details?

drsd · Post #57 » by **drsd** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:16 am

In the last game, Redick's points per 48 minutes were 112 points!

Post #58 » by **Bensational** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:07 am

7 points in 3 mins is pretty damn efficient in my books. AND, if we're in a blowout, why not give the kid some time??? everyone else got time.

the only thing i can think of is that SVG is happy with the defensive consistency of the team right now. even if we're not great, he's happy, and we all know that if JJ steps in we'll take a step or two back on the defensive end.

i still think that it's harsh that he only gets 3mins in a blowout, even when he pours in 7 points in that time.

maginno · Post #59 » by **maginno** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:17 pm

So much for being soft too. He clearly is keeping himself ready even with several games of DNP. He's stepping in every time and lighting it up.

theTHIEF · Post #60 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:23 pm

that's it, after last night, i say just give the kid some time, please...there is no reason why he shouldn't have been in against Juan Carlos for every minute...i said that the last game...he creates shots for himself so quick, he has the ability to score right away...give him a chance...