SG options this offseason for MLE...

[lovehoops01]

How about a trade of Dooling and Garrity for Childress and Zaza?

Atlanta needs to cut some $$$ to resign Josh Smith this summer, and they rid themselves of Zaza, who has become an issue. Arroyo could be subbed for Dooling.

No they don't. For one, they can go over the cap to sign him. And secondly, looking at their salary cap for next season, they currently are $14 million under the salary cap. They only have $39 million on the payroll after this season. They have qualifying offers out on both Smith and J. Chill so they could match on both of them. The question is....would they match on both of them?

Mo isn't under a rookie contract so the rules are different for him. Plus, he hadn't played long for the Lakers, not long enough to qualify for a Bird exception so rights didn't transfer in that deal I don't think. (It might depend on whether L.A. traded for him or signed him outright.) Anyway, if the Magic don't have any kind of Bird rights on him, they would have to use their LLE ($1.6 million exception, available every other year) or part of their MLE to re-sign him.

[drsd]

Not sure why no one has mentioned Ricky Davis. He is buried in Miami, and would easily start in Orlando. It must be frustrating for him in South Florida, yet he has not been reported to be difficult.

The Magic could easily target Davis in the off-season, or even trade for him now with say Arroyo and Garrity as a package; thus allowing the Magic to sign Davis as a EB-free agent.

[TooNice00]

Childress would be okay on this team but he can't really shoot the three from what i see which may make otis not really go after him. Atlanta can afford to resign childress but is he worth the MLE when they already have marvin, josh smith, and joe johnson. i think they will make a run at calderon and eventually just get another big in the starting lineup and make marvin williams take josh childress' role as the man off the bench.

[Dwightmare]

It would be smart of ATL to go after Calderon. Could they sign Calderon and resign Josh Smith? If they did, they would be a sick nasty team.

Calderon
JJ
Marvin
Josh Smith
Horford

Just saw that Delonte West is probably going to explore his options this summer. I wouldn't mind him for the right price, like 2M per year. Could he play the point?

[cedric76]

what is wrong with our bogans/evans combo?

i really like our team

next year roster

PG:nelson,dooling
SG:evans,bogans
SF:hedo,lewis,bogans
PF:lewis,battie,cook
C:howard,battie,foyle

auggie+gortat won't get much PT once battie comes back
pat won't be here anymore

arroyo shouldn't be here

dooling is perfect against guys that nelson can't guard(like billups)

[N4U|Redux]

Mo isn't under a rookie contract so the rules are different for him. Plus, he hadn't played long for the Lakers, not long enough to qualify for a Bird exception so rights didn't transfer in that deal I don't think. (It might depend on whether L.A. traded for him or signed him outright.) Anyway, if the Magic don't have any kind of Bird rights on him, they would have to use their LLE ($1.6 million exception, available every other year) or part of their MLE to re-sign him.

This is the statement I was looking for earlier in this thread against MagicFan3. Thank you very much.

As long as we re-sign him as soon as we're allowed to, he will not count toward the MLE. He will count to the salary cap, but it's not like we'll be under the cap without him anyway. The issue with Darko last year was that if we had signed him, we wouldn't have the cap space to sign Lewis.

[mhectorgato]

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Unless there's something that I'm missing *cues Theg* we still have his rights.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm

This shows that he was signed outright as a FA for contract for 3 years. He doesn't have a player option that he can exercise.

So according to Coon, we have his Bird Rights:

LARRY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is the best known one. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception is a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. This exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. The player must have played for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to six years in length. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. This exception is known as the Larry Bird exception because the Celtics were the first team allowed to exceed the cap to keep their own free agent, and the player happened to be Bird.

This doesn't say anything about the length of tenure with the team that signed the contract.

[N4U|Redux]

Foyled again?

Not sure, it doesn't seem to be 100% obvious that we do not have to use an exception to resign him.

I mean if we don't great.

[mattyBoi]

what is wrong with our bogans/evans combo?

i really like our team

next year roster

PG:nelson,dooling
SG:evans,bogans
SF:hedo,lewis,bogans
PF:lewis,battie,cook
C:howard,battie,foyle

auggie+gortat won't get much PT once battie comes back
pat won't be here anymore

arroyo shouldn't be here

dooling is perfect against guys that nelson can't guard(like billups)

Otis???...Is that you???

[KingRobb02]

Childress would be okay on this team but he can't really shoot the three from what i see which may make otis not really go after him. Atlanta can afford to resign childress but is he worth the MLE when they already have marvin, josh smith, and joe johnson. i think they will make a run at calderon and eventually just get another big in the starting lineup and make marvin williams take josh childress' role as the man off the bench.

The thinking in Atlanta is that they have to pay Josh Smith this summer, and then pay Williams next summer. They love JC, but refuse to pay him big bucks to back up Johnson and those two. I would love to have have Childress here. He shoots a high percentage (56.9 percent from the field) and rebounds well for a wing player. He i s extremely underrated and I think he fits well with our team since he can shoot, rebound, defend and finish near the rim. I say we wait until this summer, make a large offer sheet and dare the Hawks to match. Trading for him won't work because we don't have anyone they want.

[Dunkin On Ya]

I think Josh Childress would be a good fit with this team.

[Dwightmare]

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Otis???...Is that you???

exactly what i was thinking....

So Cedric you want us to do nothing in the offseason?!?!?!?!?

I dont get it.

[sanddude909]

I think GS will probably keep Kelenna if all he gets are MLE offers, he obviously fits in well with GS.

Also, I think people are undervaluing the chance that GS wants to let go of Ellis. He could command a lot of money. They did let go a guy like Arenas after all.

On the thread, keep Pietrus (for the MLE), Wells, and Smith as far away from the Magic as possible please.

GS did not just 'let go" Arenas; GS's cap situation was so whacked that they could not get far enough under the cap to sign Arenas since he was a 2nd round pick and GS did not have his Bird rights. that little injustice was fixed by the so-called Arenas rule

Biedrins and Ellis are restricted. GS will match any offer they get. Because Ellis is a 2nd round pick and RFA, I believe that teams can only offer him the MLE, which if true means that he will be a bargain again next year at $5.5 million or whatever the MLE ends up being.

Kelenna may or may not be resigned, but Pietrus is as good as gone, so I think Kelenna will be resigned at around 3 years, $10 milion or thereabouts.

[sanddude909]

You cant just add the MLE to your other salary cap and top someone elses offer.

Josh Smith is gunna want BIG bucks...MAX big.

It may be their MLE vs. ours, and thats if they can even afford him.

And we offer something that they cant and thats a starting job.

Childress is getting to good to be wasting away on the bench for the next 5 years.

I think Josh Smith is going to be disappointed if he thinks he is going to get a max deal, just like Okafur from Charlotte is going to be disappointed when he gets on the market and finds that the 6 years, $60 million offer that he turned down from Charlotte isn't there.

I think player need to take a realistic view of the market in the last 2-2 years. Max money, max year contracts are a thing of the past for players not named Wade, James, Paul, etc.

[Idunkonyou2]

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Otis???...Is that you???

[cedric76]

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exactly what i was thinking....

So Cedric you want us to do nothing in the offseason?!?!?!?!?

I dont get it.

nothing major

i'd love us to move up in the draft to get a PG

either on draft night using our pick+JJ(maybe fran's right too)
OR next month using one of our expiering contract to move up in the draft.

SG ,SF,PF anc C are pretty good to me

we'll only get better with time

[Idunkonyou2]

Lewis has got to be moved back to SF to be more productive IMO. Hedo could be our G-Man off the bench. Be the 6th man with starter minutes or Hedo could start at SG. Either way, the Magic have issues at PF and PG. Battie starting next year at PF could work, but IMO he is more of a backup for Howard. I'm not sure how Otis is going to get it done, but he needs to get it done.

PF and PG are the biggest issues right now with this team.

[N4U|Redux]

GS did not just 'let go" Arenas; GS's cap situation was so whacked that they could not get far enough under the cap to sign Arenas since he was a 2nd round pick and GS did not have his Bird rights. that little injustice was fixed by the so-called Arenas rule

Yeah, was explained already, but thanks for clarifying.

Biedrins and Ellis are restricted. GS will match any offer they get. Because Ellis is a 2nd round pick and RFA, I believe that teams can only offer him the MLE, which if true means that he will be a bargain again next year at $5.5 million or whatever the MLE ends up being.

1. Who says they'll match those offers? You? They have a good amount of pricey players as is, Biedrins will probably command Chandler type money and Ellis will get at least $8mil/yr (at least he deserves that). They already have Harrington making a good chunk of change, as well as Jackson, and the huge salary Baron has.

2. I don't know if the Ellis thing is true, seems illogical, but if it is true, just because he doesn't get an offer higher than the MLE doesn't mean he has to accept the MLE, he could always risk it and go unrestricted. What is GS willing to pay him and what does Ellis actually expect? I'm sure in his mind he's more than an MLE guy (and he is).

Kelenna may or may not be resigned, but Pietrus is as good as gone, so I think Kelenna will be resigned at around 3 years, $10 milion or thereabouts.

I agree Pietrus is gone, but I think Kelenna's contract depends on what happens with Ellis.

I for one do not believe Ellis is going to be brought back to GS, it's just a hunch, but I won't be the least bit surprised to see him traded or gone by some other means (whether he's traded, signed and traded, or just becomes unrestricted and walks). I don't think GS will pay for both Ellis and Biedrins and they need Biedrins more sorely than they need Ellis.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I would welcome any player on that list.

Pietrus and Childress probably the least though.

[OrlandoMagic]

id take childress in a heartbeat