Hedo All-Star? (Allen replaces Bulter)

[CourtsideTV]

^ u have way too much time..and hedo looks whack with his hair like that.

[Rick Rolled]

^ u have way too much time..and hedo looks whack with his hair like that.

That took less than five minutes.....

Look at the legs.....

[Rick Rolled]

But still, I probably do have too much time on my hands....

[laVal03]

Bulls**t I knew this would happen tho so not suprised

[Cigamodnalro]

Basically the NBA tries to avoid people who may be having fluke seasons. This way we don't look back and see guys like Wally and Okur have made All Star teams. This is the main reason that Calderon has been left off even though he is having an insane year that may be even better tha Hedo's.

But Okur made the all-star team last year. Wally Sz made it in 2002...

If all-star games are based on cumulative performance rather than 2007-08, then Shaq and Grant Hill both deserve it over Hedo/Calderon.

Also, Calderon is averaging 15 ppg. Even if he's been hot lately, he hasn't had an all-star season.

[taruky1]

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What are you insinuating? That Hedo needs to be black to be an all-star? Nash and Nowitzki are white all-stars, but they don't have corn rows and earrings. Both are also "international" players. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting that Hedo needs to appear more "black"?

Yes I am actually. Nash and Nowitzky are exceptions, they are phenomenal players that would be impossible to leave out without creating a huge uproar. All things being equal or slightly in Hedo's favor, however, and the black player will win out. Why? Because there is a natural inclination to look at the black player as more exciting, more likely to sell tickets. White players are "less athletic". The very same reasons that Hedo was labeled a "spot up shooter" by guys like Charlie Rosen for years, even though spot up shooting was perhaps one of the weaker aspects of his game. Hip hop culture sells in the NBA. It's a reality, but doesn't make it any more right than not selling a home to a black family because of property value concerns. Thankfully there are fair housing laws preventing that.

[sportsrock37]

Also, Calderon is averaging 15 ppg. Even if he's been hot lately, he hasn't had an all-star season.

He's avg 12.9 ppg, but 8.9 apg. His A/T ratio is a disgusting 5.51. Nash's is only 3, Kidd's is 2.86, Chris Paul's is 4.12, and Deron Williams' is 2.73. I can easily see why you could argue for Calderon, he's been lights out all season. I'd argue him over Ray Allen at least.

[KingRobb02]

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But Okur made the all-star team last year. Wally Sz made it in 2002...

That's kind of my point. 20 years from now, when we look at 2002, is there any way that we remember Wally as one of the 20 best players in the league that year. Even if the Wolves were playing well, there was no reason to reward Wally with a bid when there were so many better forwards available.

If all-star games are based on cumulative performance rather than 2007-08, then Shaq and Grant Hill both deserve it over Hedo/Calderon.

I'm not saying that history should decide who makes it, I'm just saying tha the NBA is a place where you don't make the All Star game based on a sudden spike in production. If Hedo plays liek this again next year, he will probably be voted in by the coaches.

Also, Calderon is averaging 15 ppg. Even if he's been hot lately, he hasn't had an all-star season.

It's not his scoring that we should be looking at, it's his assists and turnovers. This guy has a great assist rate and low turnovers. The thing is he gets his numbers while takign less than 10 shots per game and shooting a high percentage. People don't seem to always get this, but if you put up numbers while hardly using any possessions, it also means there's a ton left over for your teammates to score with. Plus All Star games need great PG play to be fun and the only one we have right now is Billups.[/quote]

[KingRobb02]

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Yes I am actually. Nash and Nowitzky are exceptions, they are phenomenal players that would be impossible to leave out without creating a huge uproar. All things being equal or slightly in Hedo's favor, however, and the black player will win out. Why? Because there is a natural inclination to look at the black player as more exciting, more likely to sell tickets. White players are "less athletic". The very same reasons that Hedo was labeled a "spot up shooter" by guys like Charlie Rosen for years, even though spot up shooting was perhaps one of the weaker aspects of his game. Hip hop culture sells in the NBA. It's a reality, but doesn't make it any more right than not selling a home to a black family because of property value concerns. Thankfully there are fair housing laws preventing that.

I beg to differ:

-Our last 3 MVPs have been white, even though they weren't the best or most impactful players in any of the 3 seasons.
-If you take a poll of NBA fans who the best point guard in the NBA is, they will usually say Steve Nash, even though Chris Paul is much, much, better. Mike and Mike even rated Nash higher than Payton all-time even though Payton is a top 5 point guard ever.
-The Knick that everyone wants is David Lee, even though he is a defensive liability and doesn't have any offensive post game.
-Kirk Hinrich makes $11 million per year (no way he is worth that)
-Andrei Kirilenko makes more than Chris Bosh
-The Pacers traded Steve Jackson, and Al Harrington for Dunleavy and Murphy... and thought it was a smart move (they weren't trying to sell hip hop culture obviously).
-People on this board think that Ridnour and Miller would be upgrades for our team.

I am not denying that people sometimes falsely evaluate white players based on precedents that shouldn't matter. but I would like to disagree with your thinking that if Hedo was black he would be in. The people who vote for the all star game are mostly white, and the coaches are too. The NBA imposed the dress code, and most of it's rules to get rid of it's hip hop stigma. WHy do you think they would do that if hip hop is their money maker? There is a bias against white players, but I don't think that it is as bad as you are making it seem.

[mattyBoi]

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Yes I am actually. Nash and Nowitzky are exceptions, they are phenomenal players that would be impossible to leave out without creating a huge uproar. All things being equal or slightly in Hedo's favor, however, and the black player will win out. Why? Because there is a natural inclination to look at the black player as more exciting, more likely to sell tickets. White players are "less athletic". The very same reasons that Hedo was labeled a "spot up shooter" by guys like Charlie Rosen for years, even though spot up shooting was perhaps one of the weaker aspects of his game. Hip hop culture sells in the NBA. It's a reality, but doesn't make it any more right than not selling a home to a black family because of property value concerns. Thankfully there are fair housing laws preventing that.

Out of Line.

[MagicMadness]

^^ Not really, he's just saying what most people don't want to hear.

For the most part, I'd say he was correct.

[TreyAllen34]

you guys are ridiculous this is Hedo's first consistent year in the NBA and I don't really see how he is having that much of a better year then Ray, anyways think about it the Celtics are the best team in the league and with KG out you think there gonna only have one representative in the All Star Game? Ray over Hedo shouldn't come at a shock to anybody Ray is a proven 8 time all star and maybe if Hedo continues this next season he'll get in.

[doct3r dr3]

[TheGlyde]

LOL, dr3, pwnage in sig form...

[N4U|Redux]

Our last 3 MVPs have been white, even though they weren't the best or most impactful players in any of the 3 seasons.

As opposed to how many non-white players?

If you take a poll of NBA fans who the best point guard in the NBA is, they will usually say Steve Nash, even though Chris Paul is much, much, better. Mike and Mike even rated Nash higher than Payton all-time even though Payton is a top 5 point guard ever.

Why is Paul "much much better" exactly? I'd take Nash over Paul any day of the week...if it were a one season type of thing at least. Paul might be 'better' than Nash if you consider Nash's age, but that's about it.

The Knick that everyone wants is David Lee, even though he is a defensive liability and doesn't have any offensive post game.

What does this prove? Being the best of the Knicks players isn't exactly a complement to anyone.

Kirk Hinrich makes $11 million per year (no way he is worth that)

So will Chris Paul. Hinrich got that deal because he is a great passer. Oh, and PG is probably the only position where people give honkey's half decent respect in this game (specifics: Stockton, Nash, Hinrich, Cousy).

Andrei Kirilenko makes more than Chris Bosh

And, just how many black players make more than Andrei? How many in history have been significantly worse than Andrei (when he got that contract) and made that money? Leaving the Knicks off the list will improve things, but not terribly.

The Pacers traded Steve Jackson, and Al Harrington for Dunleavy and Murphy... and thought it was a smart move (they weren't trying to sell hip hop culture obviously).

Not trying to sell hip hop culture in Indiana. GO FIGURE.

People on this board think that Ridnour and Miller would be upgrades for our team.

I'd be interested in a demographics study of the board. My guess? There's a higher rate of whites:blacks on this board then there are fans of the game (i.e. for argument sake, we'll say it's near 50/50 for people that watch on TV (leaving out other ethnicities), I'd crap myself if 50% of the posters here were black.

I am not denying that people sometimes falsely evaluate white players based on precedents that shouldn't matter. but I would like to disagree with your thinking that if Hedo was black he would be in. The people who vote for the all star game are mostly white, and the coaches are too. The NBA imposed the dress code, and most of it's rules to get rid of it's hip hop stigma. WHy do you think they would do that if hip hop is their money maker? There is a bias against white players, but I don't think that it is as bad as you are making it seem.

I agree with your end-result, but not the build up to the conclusion (I guess this is a case of being "vacuously" true). Hedo didn't get in because Hedo has only done this for one season and doesn't have, or deserve, a reputation yet. Allen is a proven commodity, and if the salaries matched, Hedo was Allen's age and if you told me you wouldn't trade Hedo for Allen, I'd punch you in the face.

[doct3r dr3]

Whaaa...? New nick, n0t?

[N4U|Redux]

Whaaa...? New nick, n0t?

Indeed.

Gives significance to my second coming (hence the , Redux)...I probably should've changed it months ago to coincide with my return though, lmfao

[karizma87]

you guys are ridiculous this is Hedo's first consistent year in the NBA and I don't really see how he is having that much of a better year then Ray, anyways think about it the Celtics are the best team in the league and with KG out you think there gonna only have one representative in the All Star Game? Ray over Hedo shouldn't come at a shock to anybody Ray is a proven 8 time all star and maybe if Hedo continues this next season he'll get in.

are you kidding?? hedo is better than allen in every category, more versitile and more clutch. I guess rondo can replace jason kidd in your view. this was just choosing an american player over a foreign one, simple as that, however if hedo was a white american then he would be in over allen...the only player as deserving as hedo is jameson and he's in, but hedo's already had 2 replacements before him. makes me sick...i'd rather see carter, at least he'll entertain us (it should be logical for you too since he's been an allstar for so long)

[N4U|Redux]

are you kidding?? hedo is better than allen in every category, more versitile and more clutch. I guess rondo can replace jason kidd in your view. this was just choosing an american player over a foreign one, simple as that, however if hedo was a white american then he would be in over allen...the only player as deserving as hedo is jameson and he's in, but hedo's already had 2 replacements before him. makes me sick...i'd rather see carter, at least he'll entertain us (it should be logical for you too since he's been an allstar for so long)

Actually, it's probably a case of a small market and the fact that people Allen has a reputation as being better than Hedo. The pepple that choose these things are only human, and Orlando probably ain't one of the teams they're highly concerned with.

And, stats aren't everything. Hedo is NOT better than Ray Allen.

Would I vote for Hedo as an allstar (and did I)? Nope. Not even with all these people being substituted.

Allen is better than Hedo to an insane degree, to think otherwise is very homer-tastic.

Someone do me a favor: remove trade factors which create problems beyond this year...namely, salaries and age issues. Would you actually not trade Hedo for Allen if they had the same salary and were playing at the same respectable levels they're playing at this year?

If you consider our need for SG, or even without it, I think anyone would be absurd to turn down a Hedo for Allen straight up trade. If you would turn it down, let me know why.

[TreyAllen34]

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are you kidding?? hedo is better than allen in every category, more versitile and more clutch. I guess rondo can replace jason kidd in your view. this was just choosing an american player over a foreign one, simple as that, however if hedo was a white american then he would be in over allen...the only player as deserving as hedo is jameson and he's in, but hedo's already had 2 replacements before him. makes me sick...i'd rather see carter, at least he'll entertain us (it should be logical for you too since he's been an allstar for so long)

more versatile? more clutch? are you freaking kidding me? Hedo has one good year and you think he's better than Ray Allen? Seriously? I don't know what the hell your smoking but if you think Hedo is even close to Rays level you need to stop. Rays scoring has gone down because of who he's playing with and besides that Hedo is freaking 6'10" and the dude is only avg 6 rebs get outta here with this bs homer crap, Ray is on the best team in the league and has been an all-star caliber player his whole career. Hedo has one good season and you act like he's better than Ray? give me a break.