Money real reason no trade made

[zuppafly]

That's an inherently absurd remark...what makes this assumption of yours so? A guy cannot post to you like a jerk but still have a valid point? He sure can.

BTW - I do not particularly agree with the argument he's presented, just remarking how idiotic it is that it's viewed that if you say something someone else deems an "insult" that your argument is also belittled. It may not be great debate style, but if the man has a point, he has a point...in this case, he doesn't have a point, you do, lol.

I think you misunderstood me or I didn't explain myself the correct way. When I said he'd lose the reason it didn't mean his point was not valid still. I just think that that remark makes the discussion "die" because it usually leads to unusefull (sp?) arguments. But it's all ok, he already said he wrote that out of frustration because the way the threads are going today, and it's understandable...

And I agree with the rest of the post. The difference between East and West this year is abysmal!

[EasternMagic]

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and of course i dont have NBA papers of other teams willing to give him that kind of money. i dont work for the NBA, but i garuntee you we were not the only team who wanted him and was willing to pay top dollar for him. Not as high as we did, cause obviously thats how we got him. You really think that if we couldve gotten him for cheaper we wouldnt have? You honest cant think that there werent other teams who wanted to acquire him. and you can not produce INK that says im wrong, where as i can produce logic as to why you are wrong

[EasternMagic]

maginno you obviously didnt read ^^

[EasternMagic]

zuppafly OT but did you say you lived in portugal?

[N4U|Redux]

HAHAHAHA at the britney spears.
but seriously asking hear, you dont think if we couldve gotten him for cheaper we wouldnt have?

My answers were all serious

Being purely subjective (obviously), I think another team began a mundane offer for Lewis (i.e. Cleveland) and Otis got scared and forced the issue of S&T to get Lewis more money. That, or his (Lewis') agent is very good and fabricated that his client was garnering interest elsewhere.

Either way, I think Otis was scared into it. He knew he had to produce this summer, and he did so by any means necessary. Turns out, if he were more frugal he could've done better.

[richboy]

Why we still talk about teams paying Rashard the max. NBA rules pretty much make it impossible that any other team could even come close to a max offer. We keep talking about teams like Houston, Cleveland, Miami paying Rashard the max. Even if you could believe those teams would pay Rashard more than there current superstars. Simply put there all over the cap and no way they could pull a 3 way deal with a team under the cap with Seattle taking on contracts to pull such a deal.

If your happy with 51 wins and 2 rounds and out of the playoffs then the Rashard signing gave you exactly what you wanted. Many people feared that the Rashard signing would spell a future of 50 wins and out in the second round year after year after year. Look through NBA history there are a lot of teams like that.

Really who cares about 50 wins and going out second round. As of right now I'm not sure this team could beat Cleveland, Toronto, or Atlanta in a 7 game series. We didn't become worse? In business they say if your not getting better your getting worse. Some of the competition got better which means we got worse.

[lovehoops01]

Yawn....no point in any team playing except the one that wins the title apparently.

[EasternMagic]

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My answers were all serious

Being purely subjective (obviously), I think another team began a mundane offer for Lewis (i.e. Cleveland) and Otis got scared and forced the issue of S&T to get Lewis more money. That, or his (Lewis') agent is very good and fabricated that his client was garnering interest elsewhere.

Either way, I think Otis was scared into it. He knew he had to produce this summer, and he did so by any means necessary. Turns out, if he were more frugal he could've done better.

LOL... you must be swift on your feet

So let me ask you this, what would you have done? risk it not being 100% positive or just give him what he wanted? i think its obvious (not necessarily through individual shots but through seeing team progression) he has helped tremendously. im not sure we would be at this lever right now without him. Certainly not at the level of last year, but not quite as good this year

[maginno]

maginno you obviously didnt read ^^

I did read. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of evidence. You have yet to put up one bit of proof that any team offered the max. NOne. You are simply running away from naming any source. Argument dear lad is not evidence. its just argument and a poor one at that since anyone familiar with the signing knows jolly well that within 24 hours of free agency beginning we had already offered him the max from the get go. DO some reading and I am STILL waiting for the source that confirms that any other team offered him even near the max. You are running like the wind not presenting the evidence you claimed to have. which is EXACTLY what I said you would do.

[lovehoops01]

So, in other words, if he can't prove something is not true, that means it's true?

[EasternMagic]

Why we still talk about teams paying Rashard the max. NBA rules pretty much make it impossible that any other team could even come close to a max offer. We keep talking about teams like Houston, Cleveland, Miami paying Rashard the max. Even if you could believe those teams would pay Rashard more than there current superstars. Simply put there all over the cap and no way they could pull a 3 way deal with a team under the cap with Seattle taking on contracts to pull such a deal.

If your happy with 51 wins and 2 rounds and out of the playoffs then the Rashard signing gave you exactly what you wanted. Many people feared that the Rashard signing would spell a future of 50 wins and out in the second round year after year after year. Look through NBA history there are a lot of teams like that.

Really who cares about 50 wins and going out second round. As of right now I'm not sure this team could beat Cleveland, Toronto, or Atlanta in a 7 game series. We didn't become worse? In business they say if your not getting better your getting worse. Some of the competition got better which means we got worse.

Like zuppafly said... noone knows wats gonna happen till the end of the season so we might do better than what your saying..... we might do worse (i think better though)

[richboy]

The thing about being a 50-win team in the east is that that means very little. Can we honestly say we're head and shoulders better than the other 40-win teams in the west if we meet up in the playoffs by some fluke? A 50-win team in the east is mundane out west..and in order to not get raped in the finals by the west, you need to be better than a borderline 50-win team out east. None of the actual contenders (even if most are out west) have the significant holes we do; hence, we're not a legit contender.

Thats it. The holes on this team are huge. If your a contender then go out and fill them. Don't hide behind win-loss totals when we know that in the playoffs those will mean nothing.

[N4U|Redux]

Yawn....no point in any team playing except the one that wins the title apparently.

I'm sorry...does Otis consider us a championship caliber team?

I think so...

Thus, the organization is probably in "win" mode, not "build" mode.

There is a point to playing and not winning a title, we're not in a rebuilding era like the Knicks have been in for the last decade though, we're finally out of our rebuilding era and supposed to be building a contender -- at least, that's the Koolaid they're giving us.

If we're not in "win" mode, do us a favor and let us know management. Otherwise, you did a poor job of accomplishing what I believe your apparent goal is -- winning the east and/or a championship.

[EasternMagic]

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I did read. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of evidence. You have yet to put up one bit of proof that any team offered the max. NOne. You are simply running away from naming any source. Argument dear lad is not evidence. its just argument and a poor one at that since anyone familiar with the signing knows jolly well that within 24 hours of free agency beginning we had already offered him the max from the get go. DO some reading and I am STILL waiting for the source that confirms that any other team offered him even near the max. You are running like the wind not presenting the evidence you claimed to have. which is EXACTLY what I said you would do.

thats really funny cause i think the exact same about your argument. you have no proof that im wrong, your probably further off than i am seeing as we offered him a max deal so quick, there must have been at least rumors of someone else interested because there is no way you tell me that we signed him to the max just cause we felt like a bunch of "jolly ole lads" Can you give me your sources friend? I'm not running im sitting right on this couch watching the worst televised basketball game between Portland and Seattle. and your argument loses its power when you start assuming im scared of you logic-less argument

[EasternMagic]

So, in other words, if he can't prove something is not true, that means it's true?

precisely... he doesnt understand tho

[richboy]

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Like zuppafly said... noone knows wats gonna happen till the end of the season so we might do better than what your saying..... we might do worse (i think better though)

Who can you offer in a trade to get better. This team only has 8 signed players for next year. Your making your bet on the MLE? Historical the MLE is garbage. Almost a waste. I read somewhere that Hedo was the second most successful player ever signed with the MLE. Billups being the only impact player ever signed with the MLE.

[lovehoops01]

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I'm sorry...does Otis consider us a championship caliber team?

I think so...

Thus, the organization is probably in "win" mode, not "build" mode.

There is a point to playing and not winning a title, we're not in a rebuilding era like the Knicks have been in for the last decade though, we're finally out of our rebuilding era and supposed to be building a contender -- at least, that's the Koolaid they're giving us.

If we're not in "win" mode, do us a favor and let us know management. Otherwise, you did a poor job of accomplishing what I believe your apparent goal is -- winning the east and/or a championship.

You said you wanted Wilcox. Did you see the report I posted above from the Seattle paper? They apparently wanted to hang on to him and Collison for now. I'm not going to post link again. It's up a few posts. So, if they couldn't get Wilcox, then who?

[N4U|Redux]

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precisely... he doesnt understand tho

It's subjective. Nobody has any concrete proof, but there does appear to be more evidence to the fact that we offered Lewis more than he needed to become a Magician.

These types of subjective opinions are wrong sometimes, and right others. In fact, the world is based off of "truths" based on a certain degree of subjectivity. Take every computer in the world -- no computer has ever been extensively tested to make sure there are no hardware defects -- they're checked enough to ensure that they work, and most end up working great for long periods. Turns out the subjective truth was true enough in the case of their assumption that the computer will start and operate for 10 years without error.

Point? You don't always need definitive answers to be "right."

Now, this argument just isn't a case where both sides happen to agree what is good enough evidence to constitute it being true without something concrete.

[N4U|Redux]

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You said you wanted Wilcox.

I think you've either misunderstood me for someone else, or have misquoted someone. I don't recall saying I wanted Wilcox in this thread (I wouldn't have minded him though).

[lovehoops01]

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precisely... he doesnt understand tho

He understands just fine. He's just trying to make you "prove'' something there is no way to prove because he just wants to make you mad and to think bad stuff about the Magic. It's what this guy does. He and a few other guys, some of whom I think are the same guys posting under different names.

They post these things that could happen. And then when they don't, they point out why the team always is a disaster. They only come in when things are going bad or there was time to make change. They look at absolutely the worst possible scenarios. There is no way for the team or the people to support the team to win that way. His main purpose here is to create bad vibes. He is not satisfied with whatever bad vibes are created naturally. He comes in simply to amp them up.