Doomed by GM's ineptitude?

drsd · Post #41 » by **drsd** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:51 pm

THat this goes on for four pages is intriguing. GM Smith has assembled a team that will win 50+ games and its division. That is very good.

Ask how many Miami/New York/ Indy/ Baby-cats fans if they wish their team to be as "inept" as the Magic currently are

The Letter J · Post #42 » by **The Letter J** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:16 pm

drsd wrote:THat this goes on for four pages is intriguing. GM Smith has assembled a team that will win 50+ games and its division. That is very good.

Ask how many Miami/New York/ Indy/ Baby-cats fans if they wish their team to be as "inept" as the Magic currently are

GM Smith assembled this team? How many players on this team were actually brought here by Smith?

mhectorgato · Post #43 » by **mhectorgato** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:18 pm

The Letter J wrote:GM Smith assembled this team? How many players on this team were actually brought here by Smith?

GM Smith was working closely with GM Weis before he was GM Smith.

So he does deserve, imo, a good deal of props for the current team. He was influential in us getting Dwight over Emaka.

MagicalMan · Post #44 » by **MagicalMan** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:18 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:Who said Otis wasn't working the phone?

Because a deal didn't get done he wasn't working his A** off trying to get something done?

Well he didn't come back from scouting until like two days before the trade deadline.

mhectorgato · Post #45 » by **mhectorgato** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:19 pm

MagicalMan wrote:Well he didn't come back from scouting until like two days before the trade deadline.

He still could have been making calls while out.

MagicalMan · Post #46 » by **MagicalMan** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:23 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He still could have been making calls while out.

To me its more of an indication of where his priorities were.

Magicfan94 · Post #47 » by **Magicfan94** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:26 pm

MagicalMan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

To me its more of an indication of where his priorities were.

So he couldn't have been working the phone from the road? He couldn't be sending emails from the road?

I think the majority of GMs and Scouts are on the road scouting these days, it's that time of year. They aren't sitting around the office slamming the phones waiting for a trade to happen.

In that case we'd be in more trouble...

The Letter J · Post #48 » by **The Letter J** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:27 pm

mhectorgato wrote:GM Smith was working closely with GM Weis before he was GM Smith.

So he does deserve, imo, a good deal of props for the current team. He was influential in us getting Dwight over Emaka.

Yeah, I've heard all of that, but Weis heavily favored Dwight as well in all of the draft interviews. Otis had a hand in the Darko trade as well which I give him credit for.

What has Otis (and Otis alone) assembled here? The decision to draft Dwight still goes to Weisbrod as he was the acting GM. In fact picking Dwight was a unanimous selection among the Magic's draft team.
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/Magic_GM_ ... 29-66.html

So Smith doesn't get anymore or less credit than anyone in that group and ultimately the credit goes to Weisbrod as he was the GM at the time.

MagicalMan · Post #49 » by **MagicalMan** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:33 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So he couldn't have been working the phone from the road? He couldn't be sending emails from the road?

I think the majority of GMs and Scouts are on the road scouting these days, it's that time of year. They aren't sitting around the office slamming the phones waiting for a trade to happen.

In that case we'd be in more trouble...

Like I said his priority, in my opinion, was scouting. If he was really trying to move those expiring contracts and make a deal, he would've been less focused on scouting and more so on talking with 29 other GM's. I would hope that Otis consults with his staff when considering trades, which is easier to do when you're in the office as opposed to being on the road.

But once again this is my opinion of where Otis's priorities were.

Magicfan94 · Post #50 » by **Magicfan94** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:56 pm

So your going to assume that Otis wasn't doing his trade dealine work. That he can't multitask?

Danny Ferry was out scouting too this week, yet that didn't stop him from hitting the phones.

It's a bad assumption to make.

theTHIEF · Post #51 » by **theTHIEF** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:58 pm

i know for a fact that the Blazers and Magic talked for 2 days...

magicfan4life05 · Post #52 » by **magicfan4life05** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:00 pm

it had to have been about pryzbilla...

KingRobb02 · Post #53 » by **KingRobb02** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:05 pm

prorl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Im not happy that Otis didnt do anything yesterday but that statement you made is ridiculous. You would rather be fighitng for 8th instead of having the 3rd best record in the east and leading our division??? LOL wow. Some of you guys are crazy.

No, I was saying that I would rather have a young team that has a chance to grow over the next few seasons rather than a team that has already peaked and can't really improve. Either way, there is no way that we make it past the second round, but at least in my scenario we have a team with a chance grow. Right now all we can hope for is that Jameer learns to play defense and our forwards don't decline too much before Dwight hits his prime.

theTHIEF · Post #54 » by **theTHIEF** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:06 pm

I dont know, because in the same breathe it was mentioned that the Blazers were actively shopping Jack and Frye...they are looking to draft the best PF or PG that they can in this years draft...

KingRobb02 · Post #55 » by **KingRobb02** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:08 pm

drsd wrote:THat this goes on for four pages is intriguing. GM Smith has assembled a team that will win 50+ games and its division. That is very good.

Ask how many Miami/New York/ Indy/ Baby-cats fans if they wish their team to be as "inept" as the Magic currently are

No, we got lucky in one draft and crossed our fingers that he never got hurt. If we had Okafor instead of Dwight, we would basically be the Sonics from last year.

Miami won a championship 2 years ago and have Wade and Marion plus they think they can get Brand this summer, which means their fans are ok if they draft a point guard like Rose.

MagicalMan · Post #56 » by **MagicalMan** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:09 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:So your going to assume that Otis wasn't doing his trade dealine work. That he can't multitask?

Danny Ferry was out scouting too this week, yet that didn't stop him from hitting the phones.

It's a bad assumption to make.

Once again I will reiterate. My opinion (see my two previous posts on this topic where I used opinion and not assumption) was that he should'lve spent less time scouting so close to the trade deadline. And being that it is my opinion it has nothing to do with what you believe. Im not trying to convince you that my opinion is right, but that it is simply my opinion.

vinageras · Post #57 » by **vinageras** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:24 pm

What I'm baffled with is how Mitch Kupchak managed to get Gasol for an expiring, while we had more $ in expirings and were fighting to get Kurt Thomas and Wilcox (and even Chicago was rejected with a good offer). I think it has to do with what damo proposes here, but also that GM's don't want to give the Magic assets, since they figure D12 will be a market attraction. So:
GM with no respect + Other GM's unwilling to make Orlando better =
NO MOVES WHATSOEVER

Magicfan94 · Post #58 » by **Magicfan94** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:43 pm

vinageras wrote:What I'm baffled with is how Mitch Kupchak managed to get Gasol for an expiring, while we had more $ in expirings and were fighting to get Kurt Thomas and Wilcox (and even Chicago was rejected with a good offer). I think it has to do with what damo proposes here, but also that GM's don't want to give the Magic assets, since they figure D12 will be a market attraction. So:
GM with no respect + Other GM's unwilling to make Orlando better =
NO MOVES WHATSOEVER

The Lakers/Grizzlies trade was more about close friends (and former colleagues) helping each ther out. It spawned the scorn of Mark Cuban, Greg Popavich, and even Davis Stern.

In 99% of other cases that trade would have never happened.

That is why a trade like that worked out.

theTHIEF · Post #59 » by **theTHIEF** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:46 pm

and keep in mind that Kwame was the SINGLE largest expiring, so it's easier to add one guy vs. 3 to equal the same $$$ amount...

Optimus_Steel · Post #60 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:46 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No, I was saying that I would rather have a young team that has a chance to grow over the next few seasons rather than a team that has already peaked and can't really improve. Either way, there is no way that we make it past the second round, but at least in my scenario we have a team with a chance grow. Right now all we can hope for is that Jameer learns to play defense and our forwards don't decline too much before Dwight hits his prime.

We cant grow more? This team has peaked aleady? How? And i believe that same team from last year wouldnt be 12 games over .500 right now. And that same "young team" doesnt have the potential you think it does.