Will Turk demand Shard type money when his contract is up?

mfishy · Post #41 » by **mfishy** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:22 am

Sad that Hedo would be 3rd option on a championship Team. That would make Rashard 4th Option or a role player.

Shard does not even deserve to be in the NBA. :noway:

AdamTheGreek · Post #42 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:00 am

Rashard should give Hedo some of his paycheck.

richboy · Post #43 » by **richboy** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:04 am

Hedo has gone off because of SVG. The constant Hedo has been good because of Rashard is crazy. Simply you can't even compare how Hedo was used in past seasons. Hedo almost his entire time he has been in Orlando has been a weakside player. Meaning he has always played opposite of the play. Over the last few years he has watched as Francis, Nelson, Dwight, Hill, Arroyo have run the offense. Hedo was always on the weakside just spotting up for jumpers. SVG has completely changed that. Hedo is a strong side player now. He is running the pick-n-roll. He is feeding it inside. He the top playmaker and decision maker on this roster. In the Van Gundy offense he playing the role of Dwade and Tmac. Rashard doesn't have the ballhandling or passing to perform this role. Rashard has become what Hedo was a year ago. Weakside jump shooter. Last year Hedo averaged 15.4 points per game per 36 minutes played on 41% shooting. Rashard is averaging 16.8 on 44%.

People continue to think that Hedo takes away from Rashard's game. Rashard saying he defers to Hedo is ridiculous. Rashard can't do half the things that Hedo does on the floor. Rashard defers to Dwight. In the past few years Rashard has easily been getting 20 or more post ups per game. Dwight has taken that away from him. If Hedo gets traded or is injured your not going to see a better Rashard. If Dwight was out for awhile Rashard would get the role that he had in Seattle. Number 1 post option.

golfreak · Post #44 » by **golfreak** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:06 am

I am a big Hedo fan this season.
Hes really the playmaker on this team.
He handles the ball well and he can take who ever is gaurding him.
He has the long stride and long arms that makes it easy for him to get to the basket.
Theres no doubt hes the better player than Lewis this season.

With that said, hes the only commodity that we have to trade.
And with his contract expering in a year, its perfect timing to try and get something for him this summer.
You either trade him this off season or sign him to another contract.
The Magic can't afford to let him play through next season.

The ideal scenario would be using Hedo for a capable PG but I do realize that the Magic are stuck with Jameer.(at least for another season to see if hes capable of leading the team).
More than likely, Hedo can be used to trade for a PF to help Dwight and hope Jameer can miraclously learn to play defense.
Now if the Magic can package Hedo and Jameer for a star-like PG, I definately think the Magic can compete in the East,

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #45 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:16 am

mfishy wrote:
Sad that Hedo would be 3rd option on a championship Team. That would make Rashard 4th Option or a role player.

Shard does not even deserve to be in the NBA.

Wow... That's a bit of an overstatment IMO

Post #46 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:16 am

i agree with richboy in regards to how Hedo is used. SVG blatantly has a lot of faith in him, the kind of faith he hasn't really had in any other player (both backcourt positions have been chopped and changed all season while SVG tries to find one he's comfortable with).

unless Nelson becomes more of a floor general, or we get another player that removes that responsibility from Hedo's role, then Hedo won't be expendable. Rashard isn't that player. right now Nelson isn't that player. none of our SG's or PG's are that player.

so i vote that SVG will make a big push to keep Hedo around, and i don't think Otis would be able to get value for him in trade (i still feel Hedo's underrated by the league simply because most people realise how much he benefits from playing in our system).

Hedo deserves 8-10mil per easy. and i think he'll get it with no hesitation. Otis likes to reward players (ala Battie).

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #47 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:17 am

AdamTheGreek wrote:Rashard should give Hedo some of his paycheck.

I do agree with this one though... Totally! That would solve more than one issue I think! LOL

karizma87 · Post #48 » by **karizma87** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:56 am

when people were saying hedo is better because of rashard, I was saying you could any player instead of rashard that could just shoot, and hedo would be hedo of this year, and I got ripped apart. where are you now????

richboy · Post #49 » by **richboy** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:14 am

Hedo on the open market wouldn't get huge dollars. The reality is Rashard is just overpaid. Hedo wouldn't likely get more than 8 million per and thats if there was a bunch of teams under the cap. The Magic will have to pay more. Not only because of Rashard. He also a far better player than Jameer.

One thing is if Otis low balls Hedo there may be some who wonder why Otis is throwing money at Rashard, Bogans, Battie,Jameer but playing hard ball with Darko and Hedo. Not saying its about race or being foreign players. Only Darko been screwed so far. If Hedo becomes a free agent playing this well he should get a nice contract though.

numbas · Post #50 » by **numbas** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:05 am

lol if he does he wont get signed

drsd · Post #51 » by **drsd** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:45 am

Is Hedo the league's most dominant 4th quarter player this year? It used to be that Kobe was the lock choice. But now I am not so sure.

Turkoglu would be a major candidate for an Most Important Player (MIP), if such an award existed. Where would the Magic be without this guy???

parso15 · Post #52 » by **parso15** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:21 am

People argue he would not get more than 8 mil... lol the guy is getting 6 a year already. He is playing great basketball not to mention his clutch play...

My guess is he would get something like a 10 mil contract...

Typhoon20 · Post #53 » by **Typhoon20** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:24 am

MIP ? Nah.

Hedo for MCP !

Most Clutch Player.

mfishy · Post #54 » by **mfishy** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:18 pm

Oh, simple answer to the question (I thought it was tongue in cheek). No. Hedo will not "demand" even near that. Look for him to settle in around 10M.

On a brighter note, this may give a platform for the folks that would like to take shots at otis and lewis another thread!!!

spinedoc · Post #55 » by **spinedoc** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:32 pm

Bensational wrote:i agree with richboy in regards to how Hedo is used. SVG blatantly has a lot of faith in him, the kind of faith he hasn't really had in any other player (both backcourt positions have been chopped and changed all season while SVG tries to find one he's comfortable with).

unless Nelson becomes more of a floor general, or we get another player that removes that responsibility from Hedo's role, then Hedo won't be expendable. Rashard isn't that player. right now Nelson isn't that player. none of our SG's or PG's are that player.

so i vote that SVG will make a big push to keep Hedo around, and i don't think Otis would be able to get value for him in trade (i still feel Hedo's underrated by the league simply because most people realise how much he benefits from playing in our system).

Hedo deserves 8-10mil per easy. and i think he'll get it with no hesitation. Otis likes to reward players (ala Battie).

I do too actually, to an extent. Stan does have a lot of faith in him and Hedo has been handling the ball a lot more this year.

But, my point about Hedo not having this career year without Lewis still stands. And just to be clear, its not specifically related to Lewis himself, but rather the level of a player that he is. Adding any big time enigmatic scorer to this team would have opened up Hedo's game. By raising the talent level of this team, it allows the focus to be trained elsewhere, and it makes it much easier for Hedo to move out on the floor. I agree that Hedo is a more versatile player than Shard, but Lewis is the more consistent player over time and will remain so. Its not meant to be a knock on Hedo when I say that, just trying to analyze why it is that his play has started to flourish.

Joseph17 · Post #56 » by **Joseph17** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:58 pm

magicfan4life05 wrote:he's got a family to feed too...

(picture)

Turk is 6'10 and Battie is 6'11. Battie looks like he's about 2 or 3 inches taller than Turk. What's the point of lying about player's heights?

bucsmagicfan · Post #57 » by **bucsmagicfan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:02 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:Hedo will get at least 10 million a year. The key thing is what team with cap space will blow it all on a 30 year old jump shooter? I don't think the 76ers or Heat have him in their rebuilding plans. I think we will be bidding against ourselves , which could be a bad thing knowing how Otis is.

I disagree, Otis does not bid against himself. See Trevor Ariza and Darko Milicic...

bucsmagicfan · Post #58 » by **bucsmagicfan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:05 pm

happypedro12 wrote:
He will be traded before it gets to that point..he's going to be the piece that gets us our big or PG over the summer IMO..

He's gonna want money, and we won't be able to afford him, might as well try to get someone for him, such as pietrus or B. Diddy! lol but seriously, we're gonna have to trade him for something, because he's gonna want a lot more than we can offer him

If we trade him for anything other than expirings then we are still paying SOMEONE the same amount of money...so why not Hedo?

TNMagicFan · Post #59 » by **TNMagicFan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:31 pm

bucsmagicfan wrote:If we trade him for anything other than expirings then we are still paying SOMEONE the same amount of money...so why not Hedo?

Someone younger would be preferable I think when you're spending that kind of money on a wing player. That would be the only reason

MagicFan32 · Post #60 » by **MagicFan32** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:35 am

Hedo is going to get us what we need let's just think outside the box and say we can sign and trade him for a player like Elton Brand? Risky but could pay major dividends, Brand cannot demand a max deal, maybe he demands 10 mil, well we can package another contract and a pick to sweeten the pot for the clips.

we will still have the MLE and can use it to either sign our own free agents or a SG/PG type.

Is it likely? of course not but the clips will want some value for brand.