If you were GM, would you trade Shard after 1 season?

[mhectorgato]

I can't start how weird this sounds Shard is a max player believe me all the plans were built with him in mind but face it Hedo has decided to show up... he stole the show because Shard could not step up... he has 118 million reasons to step up & all the excuses from fans don't matter a bit... he is a good player getting paid franchise money.

It's about time he decided to show up.

[maginno]

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Maybe you don't...maybe you do. Everyone seems to sugguest that...
1) You hate Shard.
2) He is overpaid thus management sucks
3) Because he is overpaid he sucks.

I merely eliminated issues 1 & 3 in your conversation. Now the management theory...well...yeah....

Well then let me clear the air since you seem a reasonable fellow and eminently classy yourself. I like Rashard. Good solid player. For the right price we would have been bone head silly not to sign him. Was he worth tying us up as if he's a franchise superstar? Nope. thats ALL Otis' doing not shard's. I'd be an idiot for hating a guy for signing a paycheck out in front of him.

and don't listen to other posters about what I think. they can't all be as eminently classy as you and I . Its the internet we have to allow some of the common mass to mingle

Just kidding guys. don't get all sensitive now. We all have eminently classy taste in teams.

[maginno]

Shard has sacrificed so that Turk could become a stud. There is a reason this exact same team went from 8 seed to 3 seed, and that reason is RASHARD LEWIS.

Thats it. Use up that cognitive dissonance. Don't let the facts interfere just filter them out

[Potterman]

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and don't listen to other posters about what I think.

Generally I dont.

they can't all be as eminently classy as you and I .

Hard to disagree with that j/k general posters

Its the internet we have to allow some of the common mass to mingle

Alas we may be on the internet but this forum is constantly controlled by the select few. No problem with the local mods and quite a few global mods.

There are allot of good posters here. And allot that I just pondering the meaning of their existence when I am out back enjoying my mantle as Professor Rurouniad*

In any case this thread besides our conversation is out of control and extremely redundant! Alas a Professor's job is never done when it comes to helping people let that big ball of anger out.

[maginno]

Still you got to love the insistence that with a new coach that plays a different style than the infamous Bhill its the same team plus Rashard. No fact needs get in the way of such a fervent belief. Stan alone is worthy of ten more wins over BHill.

[electrofat]

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I can't start how weird this sounds Shard is a max player believe me all the plans were built with him in mind but face it Hedo has decided to show up... he stole the show because Shard could not step up... he has 118 million reasons to step up & all the excuses from fans don't matter a bit... he is a good player getting paid franchise money.

very very well said !
sometime it can be hard to understand some people on this board..
lets think logical & be logical

[Potterman]

I think there are allot of reasons why we are doing well.

1) We had a decent free agent season. (Forget the $$$ value and look at the chemistry and team ethic's coming into the season.)

2) We knew we were a playoff calibur team. So again we set the bar higher for ourselves.

3) Hedo developed into All-Star calibur ball handler and distributor.

4) Lewis is a terrific spot-up shooter. Has shown us average PF defense most of the time and provided us with another very solid scorer.

5) Otis although crazy in his methods got an entire linup of shooters minus Arroyo and Dooling to surround Howard.

6) Howard tuned into Superman this season. (Although he is as mechanical as David Lee.)

If the season ended today and we could get Caron Butler for Lewis I would do it. If we could get Jamison for Lewis I would do it. Arenas...maybe after allot of beer. Josh Smith is a definate. But there are a select few that not only would salary have to make sense but chemistry, future growth, and current East situation. There are too few players out there belief it or not that can really fit the way Lewis has. As badly as Lewis is overpaid I think everyone agrees with this.

Also I think without Lewis we would be suffering all of the problems similar to last year.

[Potterman]

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very very well said !
sometime it can be hard to understand some people on this board..
lets think logical & be logical

Quite often actually.

We got a good foundation in place so far. Big holes yes...but a pretty good start. Make or break offseason for Otis for me.

[SevereMagic]

His contract can virtually land us any player in the league. If someone was available and knew you could get by trading shard, would you do it?

NO

[lovehoops01]

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Nonsense to say the least... not to mention that your 20ppg player is averaging 18 ppg.... whats up with all this Shard is sacraficing his game talk? The guy is surrounded by talented players this year and does what his coach is asking him. If he could do the things that Hedo can don't you think that SVG would give him the ball???
What about Hedo going into the next season with confidence... I think he is the more likely candidate for 23 points.

Well, Van Gundy has said numerous times lately in postgame interviews and in his coach's show that Rashard has sacrificed his game by switching to power forward -- because it forces him to play a different game and to take on bigger defensive players -- and giving up some of what he can do for the overall good of the team. As far as Hedo goes, I think he is playing better because his coach told him that he has been used as a role player for too long, that he can and would be expected to do more and to be more versatile because he has all-star talent and not just role player talent, and to his credit, Hedo has worked hard to live up to the new expectations the coach has given him. Playing with Dwight has helped both of them in a lot of ways but probably taken away some post play for Rashard.

[richboy]

Don't blame Hedo for what Rashard has or hasn't done. There is no sacrifice. Matter of fact Rashard season really isn't that far removed from most of his years in the NBA.

We shouldn't be shocked about the situation. Fact of the matter is we all knew Rashard wasn't good enough to have the offense run through him in the post. That will not change regardless of what position Rashard plays.

We all should know now that Rashard is not good enough to run the offense out on the perimeter. He lacks the ball handling and passing skills to take on that job. Hedo career season shouldn't be a shock. Really someone has to have that role and Hedo was the obvious candidate.

When its all said and done Rashard is a 20 million per third option. That regardless of what you feel about Rashard it should be pretty apparent that might never change. Really the question is if Hedo was traded then who would take on the role of perimeter playmaker for Hedo. I guess you would have to run the offense through Jameer.

[Cammo101]

I am more than happy with what Shard brings to this team, including much better defense than expected and willingness to play out of position for the good of the team. But then, I care more about winning than I do about stats, which seems to put me in the minority in this thread.

[lovehoops01]

Well, Van Gundy didn't say Lewis was going to have the offense run through him. He just said he has sacrificed some of his game for the good of the team. He wasn't prompted or even asked directly about it. He offered that on his own so I'm going to take Stan at his word on that. But if you think you know more about that than Stan.....

[richboy]

SVG is the king of don't blame the player blame me. Except for a few nights with Dwight.

I've said before its a cope out IMO. The weakest part of Rashard's game is his perimeter defense. Really playing PF has helped that. Really if he was more skilled he take advantage of having bigger players on him. Not to mention an opportunity to grab more rebounds.

To me just listen to Rashard. He is frustrated but what can he do. I think to say he sacrificed his game is misleading. Rashard's game was inside out and he knew when he came to Orlando that the offense would go through Dwight in the post. He sacrificed for that 118 million dollars.

[lovehoops01]

The thing is....in these particular cases, no one was asking him questions about Rashard or asking questions about him or "blaming'' him for anything. Van Gundy was talking about the character of the team's players in general, how they play together and he just kind of offered up how much Rashard has sacrificed this year. So there really was no reason for Van Gundy to single out Lewis and take "blame'' upon himself.

[mfishy]

I've said before its a cope out IMO.

I would assume since you said it, it is "your opinion" and what the hell is a "cope out"?

You have posted nearly the exact same thing over 100 times in the past 3 months. You should just copy and paste. 40-23 and you never, ever have anything to say about anything other than your dislike for Rashard.

Cassie or Richboy or whomever else you post as - can you please just shut up or come up with something original to say? And do not go into your 3rd grader defense about how important you are because I am posting in response to your garbage. It is simply a matter of enjoying this board and some of the threads a whole lot more when there isn't some clown interjecting the same crap in EVERY damn thread.

Actually, I take that back. Occasionally you do like to talk about how the Magic's wins are meaningless due to the competition....errr....well...only when the competition is bad. You never say a word when we beat a good team.

Cassie = Troll.

[Potterman]

The thing is....in these particular cases, no one was asking him questions about Rashard or asking questions about him or "blaming'' him for anything. Van Gundy was talking about the character of the team's players in general, how they play together and he just kind of offered up how much Rashard has sacrificed this year. So there really was no reason for Van Gundy to single out Lewis and take "blame'' upon himself.

ownage! I LOVE IT!!!!!

[Bucs80]

I think the better question should be would you trade shard if anyone wanted him. Who is gonna take on that behemoth contract while giving up someone of equal or greater talent? What, we're gonna trade Kobe for Rashard? doubt it. You might as well just go get the Lewis throwback cuz he isn't going anywhere

Now that you mentioned that, we haven't worn our Throwbacks this season

anyways I would trade him.... But who would take that contract. I don't blame him for signning that contract of course. Getting the most money and hustling stupid GM's out of millions is what you try to do.

The team is good, but we need a Superstar wing with Dwight. With Rashard here it's just very difficult to get anbody here. Gilbert Arenas could be ours for the right price though.

[Bucs80]

SVG is the king of don't blame the player blame me. Except for a few nights with Dwight.

I've said before its a cope out IMO. The weakest part of Rashard's game is his perimeter defense. Really playing PF has helped that. Really if he was more skilled he take advantage of having bigger players on him. Not to mention an opportunity to grab more rebounds.

To me just listen to Rashard. He is frustrated but what can he do. I think to say he sacrificed his game is misleading. Rashard's game was inside out and he knew when he came to Orlando that the offense would go through Dwight in the post. He sacrificed for that 118 million dollars.

I pretty much agree with most everything you said.

If yall guys did see Seattle play that was pretty much all he did. And my theory about him scoring 22 Points was the fact that he played on a bad team and took all the shots he wanted. Since most of us Magic fans barely saw him play, I think he trying to play off that fact to show he is better. But I don't understand why he would try to do that when Van Gundy has tried to go to him so many times and he hasn't really done much. But Hedo has thrived when given the ball. I don't understand him saying I'm trying to interrupt the flow of the team? I kind of question that.

[mhectorgato]

Actually, I take that back. Occasionally you do like to talk about how the Magic's wins are meaningless due to the competition....errr....well...only when the competition is bad. You never say a word when we beat a good team.

Cassie = Troll.

I don't think that I've ever seen any emotional connection with the team in his posts. They are basically him viewing the team and it's moves in an analytical manner.