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Post#41 » by Gold Chain » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:01 pm

This is going to be a great matchup.
Damn, these teams match up very closely.
It's going rain 3's one way or the other.
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Post#42 » by aschneider970 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:14 pm

double c wrote:This is going to be a great matchup.
Damn, these teams match up very closely.
It's going rain 3's one way or the other.


Thats the dogfathers game
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Post#43 » by ORL » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:00 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Lewis on Bosh is actually much, much better for the Magic. Everyone had said Lewis was such a bad defender, and then this season, he isn't a bad defender at all. He is extremely long arms and anticipates fairly well. Getting overpowered is the concern, but Bosh is not big enough.


That's what I'm thinking the matchup might be as well. Generally guys that have given Lewis trouble are bangers, and Bosh likes the outside a lot. Thing is, if they put Bargnani in with him, that takes Howard away from protecting the rim.
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Post#44 » by KRANG » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:09 pm

How do you shut him down. ?

Pray. :pray:

'cause it ain't happening.
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Post#45 » by y 2 a B » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:12 pm

KRANG wrote:How do you shut him down. ?

Pray. :pray:

'cause it ain't happening.


What is your plan for stoping Howard? Pray and mourn?
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Post#46 » by theTHIEF » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:55 pm

just finished watching the Nuggets/Raptors game from March 23rd, that is a good game to watch right there. It illustrates the point of allowing Bosh to play his game to a degree with adequate defense while guarding the shooters one on one and doubling down on the bigs.

Rasho had just over 25 minutes and put up 10/3.

the key to this game was cutting Delfino, Kapono and Ford off, combined they logged about 44 minutes and were only allowed to score 11 points, grab zero rebounds and they were not allowed to penetrate easy, get open for 3 or dish out to the bigs with ease.

perfect example
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Post#47 » by MagicNolesFSU » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:56 pm

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Just like Dwight did last year :rofl:


We played the ONE seeded pistons. You played the SIX seeded nets. ROFL

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Post#48 » by magicfan4life05 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:57 pm

:clap: :clap: :bowdown:


thief awesome analysis/scouting man!!
Dwight Howard on his FT struggles:

"I just think everybody needs to stop talking about it," Howard said. "There's more to life than free throws."
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Post#49 » by theTHIEF » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:10 pm

I haven't checked the stats yet, but after watching about 5.5 Raps games so far, it would appear that Moon is the clear cut hands down best rebounder on their team, and the main reason why they accumulate as many boards as they do (which is the Raps glaring weakness). I would assume Bosh is the statistical leader, but based on the games I have seen, Moon is their best board man...

this will need to be a serious focal point of the defense...
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Post#50 » by Big A All Day » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:22 pm

As long as we can stick lewis on bosh and we get our fair share of the boards ( meaning we dont give up so many offensive rebounds ) we can shake this damn curse of us not getting out of the 2nd round and SUPERMAN THESE HOEZZZZ
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Post#51 » by WesWesley » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:41 pm

Force Chris Bosh to go right.
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Post#52 » by Greer » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:44 pm

rashard with help defense from dwight = shutdown of bosh
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Post#53 » by theTHIEF » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:48 pm

another big time exploit game is this Detroit match up from last Sunday. Granted this is Detroit, however, watching the game they are running the same strategy, they are sticking with Bosh and allowing him to do his thing as best as he can while being guarded, they are doubling down Rasho and Bargs and not allowing them to get it easy and forcing them to pass it out or put it up. Another key to this game appears to be substitutions, Detroit killed Toronto with subs, Mitchell seems to be very Brian Hill in his adjustment strategies once the other team subs, and as a result it forces the team to work out their own adjustment on the fly and it usually takes a few minutes before they groove, by that time Flip is making another adjustment...

it looks like forcing everyone not named Bosh to create his own shot is the best way to go, the perimeter game will be key, and we are going to have to come up with a way to drive to the basket over and over and over again, Rasho is a good defender, but loves to come help and he appears to draw a lot of fouls in games with consistent penetration vs. one on one games...


of course everything "changes" in the playoffs...teams are scouting one another hard...but only so much can change, teams dont metamorphisize in the course of 4-5 days...
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Post#54 » by Harold_and_Kumar » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:18 pm

ORL wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That's what I'm thinking the matchup might be as well. Generally guys that have given Lewis trouble are bangers, and Bosh likes the outside a lot. Thing is, if they put Bargnani in with him, that takes Howard away from protecting the rim.


is that why Dirk had a game of 31-11 against you guys?
why Bosh had a 40-5-5 performance?
why Jamison put up 31-11 in a game where WAS scored 87 pts?
and why in the same game Boozer put up 24-9-6 and Millsap 28-7?

if bangers also give Shard trouble...he's in a bit of trouble.

The only top PF scorer to not play well against ORL was David West..
18-11, 14-5

**This is obviously based solely on stats of PFs, but I never watched the games, so maybe Howard switched to guard them at half or something, I wouldn't know.
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Post#55 » by Vandal Savage » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:44 pm

MagicNolesFSU wrote:Im just gonna sit back and watch bosh choke again....


exactly, the magic wont have to make any adjusments, hell take him self out of the game
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Post#56 » by ORL » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:51 pm

Don't remember who was on who in those games other than the Bosh 40pt game in which he scored 10 straight (or something) field goals on Howard, not Lewis.

But Dirk (20) and Jamison (19 and 20) also had sub scoring games compared to their average, so there's that. Millsap doesn't have a play ran for him so whatever he gets is going to be off of hustle type of plays, and Boozer mixes it up inside and out.

Look at Zach Randolph, his scoring average against us and overall as an example of what I'm talking about.
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Post#57 » by Lionel Messi » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:00 pm

umaga2020 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



exactly, the magic wont have to make any adjusments, hell take him self out of the game


lolz...keep thinking that :D
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Post#58 » by Hendrix » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:17 pm

Just my opinion. You can't gaurd Bosh straight up unless you have an excellent defender around his size/speed. Sheed, and Varejo have always been the best at gaurding him 1 on 1, but he'll take most guys in the league 1 on 1 pretty easily. When TJ's in the game doubling off him with Meer is a pretty good option. If Calderon is in the game he can stick shots, but a lot of others on teh 2nd unit can't so there's plenty of players to double off.
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Post#59 » by Harold_and_Kumar » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:45 pm

ORL wrote:Don't remember who was on who in those games other than the Bosh 40pt game in which he scored 10 straight (or something) field goals on Howard, not Lewis.

But Dirk (20) and Jamison (19 and 20) also had sub scoring games compared to their average, so there's that. Millsap doesn't have a play ran for him so whatever he gets is going to be off of hustle type of plays, and Boozer mixes it up inside and out.

Look at Zach Randolph, his scoring average against us and overall as an example of what I'm talking about.


Zach Randolph

20-11 in 27 mins
22-9 in 33 mins
23-10 in 33 mins

FG %
8-19 - 42%
8-19 - 42%
8-21 - 38%

FREE THROW APP. - 4,8,7

SEASON AVG. 17.6, 10.2, 46%

The percentages are down, but I would suggest that Bosh will/is

a) play more minutes
b) a better player
c) quicker
d) better supporting cast to worry about than the Knicks
e) Bosh shoots nearly 50% (.495) from the floor

and therefore will do more damage than Randolph, who did comparably well against the magic vs. the rest of the league.
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Post#60 » by MagicNolesFSU » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:49 pm

Calderon cant throw a rock in the ocean lately. Matter fact the whole raptor team has been crap from three recently. Raps fans are going to be crying when shard is effective guarding bosh.
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