Maybe Stan has a plan...or is getting one?

[mhectorgato]

Ah, ok - combination of being new to the board, not knowing any of the posters and not being able to read tone of voice left me as confused as Jeryl Sasser faced with a jump shot.

Not just you (re not being able to read), but pretty much everyone else that he's disagreed with.

[maginno]

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Not just you (re not being able to read), but pretty much everyone else that he's disagreed with.

Yes. I must admit illiteracy is rampant on these boards. I try to do my best but its uphill battling it without the assistance of parents and the community. Like they say it takes a village.

SO please feel free to point out to me the paragraphs you all are having problems with - particularly the alleged one where I said JJ's last game proves he will have a bright future in the NBA. If we can isolate the seeds of illiteracy we CAN make progress.

Please call now Operators are waiting.

[OMPunk]

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I try to do my best but its an uphill battling it without the assistance of parents and the community.

It's would be the correct term there and 'uphill battling'???


Good work though.....


****I do want to add that I agree with the points you made in this thread so far and think it is awesome to be on the positive side of one of your crazy rants.****

[maginno]

MitchellUK

Source of disagreement started if you look back when Craig asked the perfectly legitimate question

"Hell, I still don't know if Redick is good OR not good.????????

How would anybody know at this point. "

To which you proposed the answer as
"I would take the fact that he hasn't beaten out three career journeymen for minutes as a good indicator that he isn't that great...."

So within context you were responding that in fact you could know at this point based on being him being beaten out by three career journeyman.

Its nonsense to claim at this point that you can know given his limited minutes and that WAS the question you were answering.

Don't blame me for pointing out the weaknesses in the answer you gave to that question

OF course if in the last four games he has played over 10 minutes he has scored double digits its a trend. I'm not responsible if you don't know what a trend is. and of course if a player is not taking shots like in December he will not score double digits.

Now are those four games skimpy? Of course which is why I agree with Craig. There is no answer to his question - no one can know. Attempting to provide a criteria for you knowing and ignoring that when he does go in and takes shots with adequate minutes he delivers is bogus.

and please stop trying to float the strawman argument that people are claiming he's going to be an extremely great player. I and many others never said any such thing. With the mechanics of his shot he could turn out to be one of the greatest three point shooters for awhile - or not.

[maginno]

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It's would be the correct term there and 'uphill battling'???


Good work though.....

Actually yes the expression is not off its the typo - left over "an" from an earlier phrase I typed over quickly - thats the problem. Love it when My students at least try to find the error in a typo.

[OMPunk]

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Actually yes the expression is not off its the typo left over "an" from an earlier phrase I typed over quickly that the problem. Love it when My students at least try to find the error in a typo.

Classic maginno!

[maginno]

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Classic maginno!

All tongue in cheek D12J14, all tongue in cheek.

[MitchellUK]

MitchellUK

Source of disagreement started if you look back when Craig asked the perfectly legitimate question

"Hell, I still don't know if Redick is good OR not good.????????

How would anybody know at this point. "

To which you proposed the answer as
"I would take the fact that he hasn't beaten out three career journeymen for minutes as a good indicator that he isn't that great...."

So within context you were responding that in fact you could know at this point based on being him being beaten out by three career journeyman.

Its nonsense to claim at this point that you can know given his limited minutes and that WAS the question you were answering.

Don't blame me for pointing out the weaknesses in the answer you gave to that question

Funny that you should talk about illiteracy and then commit such a blatant mistake - read the quote again.

"I would take the fact that he hasn't beaten out three career journeymen for minutes as a good indicator that he isn't that great...."

The key word there is 'indicator'. An indication in this context is not a statement of concrete fact, but rather a suggestion. Of course we cannot know JJ's actual NBA capability when he has not spent a significant amount of time in the rotation. But, given that SVG was a new coach, all players came into training camp with a clean slate and the opportunity to earn playing time, and JJ found himself behind Bogans and Dooling. Not only that,but Mo Evans upon arriving in Orlando did enough in a short period of time to bump himself to the top of the shooting guard pecking order. Thus, although we cannot know JJ's NBA ability as fact, indications can be taken from the fact that he has shown himself less worthy for minutes, in the eyes of SVG, than three other players who play his position. Not only that, but since those players are much more known quantities, as career role players no less, it can be taken as further indication of JJ's pro-basketball potential.

Again, not statement of fact, but suggestion based on what information is available.

[maginno]

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The key word there is 'indicator'. An indication in this context

The context my lad is in the question asked. You clearly were attempting to answer Craig's question. You qouted it and then began to answer it. So whether you use the word indicate, suggests, muse or fantasize its still an attempt to answer the question posed. Its not everyday I have to instruct a person from Britain (presuming merely upon the UK in the username) on the meaning of context. Generally you are much better at these kinds of things. Collectively at least.

But, given that SVG was a new coach, all players came into training camp with a clean slate and the opportunity to earn playing time, and JJ found himself behind Bogans and Dooling

JJ in fact in the preseason was in the mix to start before a back injury. I for one don't think he would have got it due to his defense but its not an unreasonable assumption that he would have seen more time in the beginning of the season if he had continued a very productive pre season.

Thus, although we cannot know JJ's NBA ability as fact, indications can be taken from the fact that he has shown himself less worthy for minutes, in the eyes of SVG, than three other players who play his position.

and indications can be taken based on his last four games over ten minutes that he can be a good player. Craig's question was whether he was good or not not whether he fits in this team. IF you missed the actual wording of the question then my analysis on reading comprehension nevertheless stands but to answer it Stan has already weighed in on JJ's ability to score and thats precisely what you have been taking issue with me on referencing his scoring average over the games in question. So the stats have proven you wrong and Stan doesn't agree with you either.

Not only that, but since those players are much more known quantities, as career role players no less, it can be taken as further indication of JJ's pro-basketball potential.

and with that you prove you know nothing about Basketball and are merely using "indication" in a vacuous self serving manner. A veritable rookie in playing time or even a young second year player losing to a bunch of veterans is about as much of an indicator of future basketball potential as low flying geese are an indicator of an eminent Hurricane. could be or could just be natural.

You should have left it at him not being good because by now tying this to potential you've really stepped into the goo. There is no correlation and nothing to be indicated from it in regard to future potential either way.

Again, not statement of fact, but suggestion based on what information is available.

A fool's game really. In the absence of enough facts suggestions are the musings of ignorance. Besides in your case you merely are being selective with the facts that are available. If we go by his last games within this year that he does get significant minutes, what Stan has said about his offense and the particular needs of the team not meeting his specialties the "indications" would be almost entirely on my side.

Now if you believe you can rub your guessing globe and derive future potential from what you choose to look at then feel free but there won't be anything logical about it. JJ by all accounts has one of the purest strokes in all of basketball. He's shown he can get his shot off in quite a few games. See the ""indicators" are near endless.

[spinedoc]

Good Lord Mags, are you really having that much trouble understanding what Mitchell is saying? "Using the word indication in a vacuous self serving manner"? Really? Are you for real? Hey, I know where you can get that stick removed if you want.

[magickingdom]

I want to thank you all...my threads never go 5 pages. Usually die off after about 5 minutes. Maybe thats why it has taken 8 years to get 553 posts. Keep them up, I learn something new every day.

[ProfX]

Cmon Magic Kingdom us old timers got to get to Real Gm before the playoffs start,, we need the mojo and momentum

[maginno]

Good Lord Mags, are you really having that much trouble understanding what Mitchell is saying? "Using the word indication in a vacuous self serving manner"? Really? Are you for real? Hey, I know where you can get that stick removed if you want.

Solicitations for business are not allowed and if you were referring to yourself um no thanks. and yes they are all English words.

[maginno]

Cmon Magic Kingdom us old timers got to get to Real Gm before the playoffs start,, we need the mojo and momentum

What is that anyway 2000 posts? Got some work to do.

[MitchellUK]

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The context my lad is in the question asked. You clearly were attempting to answer Craig's question. You qouted it and then began to answer it. So whether you use the word indicate, suggests, muse or fantasize its still an attempt to answer the question posed. Its not everyday I have to instruct a person from Britain (presuming merely upon the UK in the username) on the meaning of context. Generally you are much better at these kinds of things. Collectively at least.

Had I attempted to directly answer the question, I would have made a statement of fact or taken a definitive stance of opinion. As it is, I was merely responding to Craig

[whocares]

1. there were at least seven racers and x was the fourth worst.
2. no, there were at least five racers and x was the third best.
3. you stupid ingrate, learn to read.
4. read to learn or migrate by popular dissent.

[maginno]

sheesh Mitchell we've been discussing "indicators" for pages now. Games played, percentages and more. Want a list now? Go back and construct one. You can claim till the cows come home that you weren't answering the question but you were and furthermore you've confirmed it by claiming that you are attempting to list indicators that "suggest" at an answer you know the facts cannot get you to.

You are like the gossip columnists claiming that all the facts are not in yet but not missing a beat in suggestions and conjectures to avoid just saying "I agree I don't know". Of course they are trying to answer a question - with their conjecture.

See this is why I called you a JJ hater. Maybe you are not one but its what every JJ hater does - Tries to extrapolate evidence from the minutes he hasn't played under a horrible coach "( Brian Hill) and less than a full year under a good one. Its simple really. At this point no one knows. The evidence is good enough to tell us that on offense he's just fine. His coach has said as much and multiple outings when he shoots the ball have confirmed it but JJ haters don't like that . they need to step over what Stan has said about JJ and try to make various excuses why his solid performances when he gets minutes and is active in the offense shouldn't be good "indicators" of his abilities. Oops. You did that too.

and yes Vacuous because how you use "indicator" has no content. You could see JJ running as an "Indicator" that he's athletic. You could state (as you did) him going 0 -5 in one game is an indicator. Good night you could watch him doing push-ups as an "indicator". Get it? Vacuous. Its self serving because you immediately dismiss "indicator that are good by making excuses of why they shouldn't count. Still you got to love certain people asking you if you are serious because you use an English word.

[ProfX]

If JJ would have kept his mouth shut, he would have got more minutes. I think Stan has no patience for Ego Maniacs.. I think JJ can play and is destined to be a Magic Killer. His situation is purely political..

[Optimus_Steel]

Whats Stan's plan?????????? His plan is to win!

[Last Guardian]

Stan the man always has a plan.