Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (Part IX)

Tayswagzzz · Post #401 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:15 am

Ahhh don't remind me about that 3 Reddick missed...man...things might have been different.

The Magic Man · Post #402 » by **The Magic Man** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:19 am

JJ Redick=overated

rcklsscognition · Post #403 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:25 am

You guys just need to get your ratings from 2k12, no bias. Von Wafer is like an 86 I think. Or is that a 68?

Nyce_1 · Post #404 » by **Nyce_1** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:28 am

Watching the Warriors game: maaaan, I want Ellis on this team.

cb1115 · Post #405 » by **cb1115** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:30 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:look, if you gotta trade JJ for the greater good, you trade him. What bothers me is people rating him lower than effing wafer. And the saddest part his, 99% heard his name 2 weeks ago the first time. What the fink von wafer has accomplished so far? I would take Sonny Weems over him and weems is playing in Lithuania or Slovenia or Turkey or wherever.

and the hypocrisy... So it is OK when the Magic outgrow a player, but when a player outgrows the team he is a spoiled brat ? Get the **** out of here and get real. You learn to be loyal first by at least not handing out the roster spot to **** von wafer before he earns it.

TSKD000 · Post #406 » by **TSKD000** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:32 am

For anyone who saw today's practice, how was Wafer's passing ability and court vision? Is he only a 2 guard or a combo guard?

Nemesis21 · Post #407 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:38 am

bicatmit wrote:Our $6.3 million Gortat trade exception expires on Monday.

So this will be back to back season's Otis let the TPE expire ?

Student_of_Game · Post #408 » by **Student_of_Game** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:40 am

rcklsscognition wrote:I love how people hear moan and groan we don't have someone to take it in the lane and score at will and when we get someone, they complain that that's all they can do and they're one-dimensional. I'm thankful we have someone who at least shows the ability to be a scorer, slasher, active player. I will take the downside of one-dimensional, lack of defense, etc. That's what we have a team for, other people can make up for Von's deficiencies. He is going to be very useful in about 12 MPG.

Just because someone is a one dimensional player, doesn't mean that player can't fill a role on this team. Von's strength addresses one the Magic's most significant weaknesses. I'm all for him. I just don't think we need to be making him into something he's not (an allstar starter).

Nemesis21 · Post #409 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:42 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Aminu, Gordon & Kaman Look THRILLED To Be Hornets
No really, they're ecstatic.

I've seen prisoners happier to get their jumpsuits. If you photoshopped a newspaper into Al-Farouq Aminu's hands, you'd get a hostage photo.

How about a little enthusiasm fellas?

http://bloguin.com/crossoverchronicles/ ... um=twitter

Grizzly Adams did have a beard. (Kaman)

Student_of_Game · Post #410 » by **Student_of_Game** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:47 am

TSKD000 wrote:For anyone who saw today's practice, how was Wafer's passing ability and court vision? Is he only a 2 guard or a combo guard?

From an offensive perspective, he is a straight 2-guard. Defensively, he can cover most 1's if he was so inclined ... which I do not think to be the case. He lacks the discipline and desire to be a good defender.

Nemesis21 · Post #411 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:48 am

I hope Von has a good season, bring scoring off the bench. He's like a slightly better offensive version of DeShawn Stevenson.

TSKD000 · Post #412 » by **TSKD000** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:49 am

Student_of_Game wrote:
TSKD000 wrote:For anyone who saw today's practice, how was Wafer's passing ability and court vision? Is he only a 2 guard or a combo guard?

From an offensive perspective, he is a straight 2-guard. Defensively, he can cover most 1's if he was so inclined ... which I do not think to be the case. He lacks the discipline and desire to be a good defender.

Thanks for the info!

MagicStarwipe · Post #413 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:50 am

Nemesis21 wrote:I hope Von has a good season, bring scoring off the bench. He's like a slightly better offensive version of DeShawn Stevenson.

Without the defense?

Post #414 » by **Bensational** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:12 am

Darth Magic wrote:

i won't even wait for a response because i know it's going to be overly favourable to Otis.

you take ANY player not named Dwight off this team, and this team won't miss a beat. Hedo/Rashard/Jameer/VC/CLee/JJ/Rafer/Gortat/whoever. this team has played equally as well with them as it has without them. none of them are key to the Magic's success, or to pushing the team over the top. you take Howard off this team and we suddenly become lottery caliber.

you yourself said this team just needs one guy, one dynamic wing scorer, to put it over the top. why does this team need just one guy? because one great player is able to make a big enough impact to cover 4-10 good players. this team needs one guy to get it to its current level - Dwight Howard.

Otis doesn't deserve credit for putting a team on the court that made the finals, he deserves credit for not screwing it up. but as has been seen in the consistent decline of the team, he is gradually screwing the team up bit by bit

I think you should look two posts above and not assume so much

I nearly stopped reading after the bolded portion because of how absurd it was, but i decided to continue anyway and came up on just more ignorance hence the second bolded part. You say take anyone but Dwight off this team and they don't miss a beat. Well wasn't Dwight there and we lost in the first round in the playoffs? How many times have we had to play without Dwight because he picked up a dumb foul or got suspended because of a technical? How well did Gortat do? You don't remember debates in the sports media saying we were better without Dwight than with him?

Did we not win a road play off game with out "missing a beat" when Dwight was at home watching on TV because he was suspended? I find it amazing how us Magic fans can be so selective in our memories. People act like Dwight is a perfect center who is being held back by this organization, when Stand and Otis concocted a scheme to protect his offensive weakness, poor passign when double teamed and incessant turnovers.

I've been critical of Otis, but i'm not out for blood like the rest of you. I'm not willing to fire a man that has put together one of the most successful teams over the last 3 years. I said it before and i'll say it again, we simply see things differently. That is all.

you want to talk about selective memories and you're picking a handful of games to show that the team is still good without Dwight?? come on man. even the Wolves are capable of winning 20 games, doesn't mean they're better off without Dwight. we have entire seasons that show this team can continue to play at a high level without all of the guys mentioned above, and i pray that we don't have a season without Dwight that we can compare it to.

it's not ignorant at all to say that Dwight is the cornerstone of what makes this team successful and that without him the other pieces cease to look impressive. ignoring Dwight's impact and how much he's able to make others around him look better is ignorance.

and as far as Otis goes, i don't want blood. i have my moments of passionate anger towards the guy, but me wanting him gone isn't solely based on emotional impulse. the guy has had a fair chance, and he's had one of the best players in the league giving him a massive head start, and what we've seen from Otis has long since peaked. in the last 2 seasons he's shown he isn't capable of judging which pieces to put around Dwight.

Nemesis21 · Post #415 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:13 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:I hope Von has a good season, bring scoring off the bench. He's like a slightly better offensive version of DeShawn Stevenson.

Without the defense?

They might be about equal, DeShawn might be slightly better on the defensive end.

MagicStarwipe · Post #416 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:20 am

DeShawn is a pretty good defender so that says a lot for Wafer if he can be anywhere near him.

Animorphsfan · Post #417 » by **Animorphsfan** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:35 am

The Magic Man wrote:JJ Redick=overated

JJ is underrated.

G-Heel · Post #418 » by **G-Heel** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:50 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:I hope Von has a good season, bring scoring off the bench. He's like a slightly better offensive version of DeShawn Stevenson.

Without the defense?

Yes.

MagicMan89 · Post #419 » by **MagicMan89** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:37 am

Otis should start the rebuild now. This next draft is loaded, we can take our depth and move it for 1st round picks.
SG position= J.Rich/Redick/Wafer/Liggins Ship redick to a team in need of shooting like Utah.
PF position= BBD/Anderson/Clark/Harper Trade Anderson and free earl clark. Anderson will be due a payday anyways.
We are not getting a star with these players, be smart and move them now. BBD and J.Rich will have the bulk of the mins hurting thier value once the season starts.

MagicMan89 · Post #420 » by **MagicMan89** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:43 am

ESPN reporting this is Arenas wish list to play this year.
• Lakers ...

• Heat ...

• Knicks ...

• Or whichever team trades for Dwight Howard.

If Gilbert goes to the heat, RDV should fire Otis. Not only did the move place what looks like the final wedge between the FO and D12, but he would help them while making 20 million per year from us.