Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

blue and white · Post #401 » by **blue and white** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:22 am

shadrock wrote:
fendilim wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Also looking for his tony Parker/manu in the 2nd round

(Parker was late first, still counting it in the same category)

The cavs have our 2nd rounder...

If he happens to find someone he wants though, it surely wouldnt be hard for him to acquire a 2nd round pick to accommodate it...

idk about that, ive heard with the new cba alot of teams prefer 2nd round picks over late 1st's because with second rounders they can take a closer look at a player without guaranteeing him money.

MagicFan32 · Post #402 » by **MagicFan32** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:51 am

Gobert would be an interesting pick, this makes me think hennigan is eyeballing picking up another first, or trading down.....

Neon1 · Post #403 » by **Neon1** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:55 am

MagicFan32 wrote:Gobert would be an interesting pick, this makes me think hennigan is eyeballing picking up another first, or trading down.....

He could just be thinking the same as the guys saying we need a Noel type player and then trade in for a PG later. Except maybe he is thinking Draft the PG with the early pick (Smart) and then get another pick to snag the big (Gobert).

Noonskadoodle · Post #404 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:58 am

Neon1 wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Gobert would be an interesting pick, this makes me think hennigan is eyeballing picking up another first, or trading down.....

He could just be thinking the same as the guys saying we need a Noel type player and then trade in for a PG later. Except maybe he is thinking Draft the PG with the early pick (Smart) and then get another pick to snag the big (Gobert).

I brought that up awhile ago. Def would be a best case scenario.

Smart/Gobert

Noel/Burke

Post #405 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:04 am

Neon1 wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Gobert would be an interesting pick, this makes me think hennigan is eyeballing picking up another first, or trading down.....

He could just be thinking the same as the guys saying we need a Noel type player and then trade in for a PG later. Except maybe he is thinking Draft the PG with the early pick (Smart) and then get another pick to snag the big (Gobert).

Exactly what I was thinking. How much different is Gobert than Noel?

Noonskadoodle · Post #406 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:13 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Gobert would be an interesting pick, this makes me think hennigan is eyeballing picking up another first, or trading down.....

He could just be thinking the same as the guys saying we need a Noel type player and then trade in for a PG later. Except maybe he is thinking Draft the PG with the early pick (Smart) and then get another pick to snag the big (Gobert).

Exactly what I was thinking. How much different is Gobert than Noel?

Some tweets from DX Feb 26th:

21 NBA scouts (one GM Sam Presti) here in Boulogne France to see Rudy Gobert match up with Mam Jaiteh.(2nd round prospect)

I didn't realize how selfish Rudy Gobert's teammates are until today. Absolutely refuse to even consider passing him the ball. Amazing.

Rudy Gobert actually had a pretty impressive game all things considered. 14 points on 5 shots 14 rebounds 24 evaluation in 27 minutes.

Noonskadoodle · Post #407 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:19 am

Highlights from a game in JAN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... LhDzk0PaPQ

Neon1 · Post #408 » by **Neon1** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:23 am

He is a longer then Noel but less agile and quick. Not quite as impactful or defensively versatile as Noel is. On the flipside he is much more aggressive offensively. Shoots and insanely high percentage too, pretty much only gets dunks (similar to Noel), but he shoots FT's at a pretty decent clip for a big.

Looks like he won't be able to guard PF's effectively IMO. Looks like a center only, just doesnt seem very agile and is a little bit stiff movement wise.

It is maybe going to come down to is the gap between Noel vs Gobert much greater or less then the gap between Smart vs (Burke/McCollum/Young/etc), if that is actually the debate being considered between our GM and scouting staff.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs2K5vE_tCU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EBRzRctJeY[/youtube]

Post #409 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:32 am

^Good looking out Noons. I've always thought Gobert could be a wild card. He can't be worse than Noel is on offense. At the very least, he's just as raw. He looks almost as thin as Noel, but has a reputation for being a top notch shot blocker. His profile sounds similar to Noel's.

Post #410 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:36 am

Neon1 wrote:He is a longer then Noel but less agile and quick. Not quite as impactful or defensively versatile as Noel is. On the flipside he is much more aggressive offensively. Shoots and insanely high percentage too, pretty much only gets dunks (similar to Noel), but he shoots FT's at a pretty decent clip for a big.

Looks like he won't be able to guard PF's effectively IMO. Looks like a center only, just doesnt seem very agile and is a little bit stiff movement wise.

It is maybe going to come down to is the gap between Noel vs Gobert much greater or less then the gap between Smart vs (Burke/McCollum/Young/etc), if that is actually the debate being considered between our GM and scouting staff.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs2K5vE_tCU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EBRzRctJeY[/youtube]

Wonder if they consider moving Vucevic to PF if they draft Gobert. Or just keep rolling with Vucevic and have Gobert as a legit center off the bench. From the videos, I don't think he can play PF either. And after watching Vucevic for a season, not sure I'd slide him to PF either.

Neon1 · Post #411 » by **Neon1** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:39 am

VGOSWAMI wrote:Wonder if they consider moving Vucevic to PF if they draft Gobert. Or just keep rolling with Vucevic and have Gobert as a legit center off the bench. From the videos, I don't think he can play PF either. And after watching Vucevic for a season, not sure I'd slide him to PF either.

I don't think Vuc can or will ever be a PF. PF is something a draft site put on his draft profile and at least on forums it follows him around like moths to a flame.

fendilim · Post #412 » by **fendilim** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:51 am

I'm all for drafting Gobert outside the top 5. As I've said before noel or gobert is what I would like the team to draft.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #413 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 8:20 am

Maybe if we get the first pick we could trade it to the suns if they really want somebody and get the 8th and the 14th pick for the first and then trade afflalo to utah for their first and get Oladipo, mccollum/burke and gobert
:pray:

magicman112 · Post #414 » by **magicman112** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:55 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:^Good looking out Noons. I've always thought Gobert could be a wild card. He can't be worse than Noel is on offense. At the very least, he's just as raw. He looks almost as thin as Noel, but has a reputation for being a top notch shot blocker. His profile sounds similar to Noel's.

Yea he's rail thin but he finishes strong at the rim and with his length he'll always be a shot blocking threat. Play him as more of a stretch 4 or 5 away from the basket to start with so he doesn't get overpowered inside as much...

glennathan · Post #415 » by **glennathan** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 1:58 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Maybe if we get the first pick we could trade it to the suns if they really want somebody and get the 8th and the 14th pick for the first and then trade afflalo to utah for their first and get Oladipo, mccollum/burke and gobert

If Hennigan pulled that off I would be shocked. It is not a deep draft so it may very well be possible

However the last few games for Afflalo (which I have been super critical over) he has done what the team needed and not sure I would want to part with him unless he demands a trade.

Cigamodnalro · Post #416 » by **Cigamodnalro** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:15 pm

I wouldn't be shocked at all if one reason for both Hennigan's and Presti's respective trips to Europe was to sneak over to Greece and catch a glipse of Nigerian refugee Giannis Adetokunbo. Adet's name is making rounds right now, and he looks to have bust-out potential at SF. He's been linked to the Thunder, specifically, in recent weeks.

Check this scouting report:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo[/youtube]

cb1115 · Post #417 » by **cb1115** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:37 pm

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Dwight Howard on his old Orlando Magic teammates: "My team in Orlando was a team full of people that nobody wanted." http://tinyurl.com/d82mgll

So, um, who else is ready for March 12?

Magicalltheway · Post #418 » by **Magicalltheway** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:38 pm

how can you guys even compare Noel and Gobert. All Gobert is good at is shot blocking, no athleticism, and I didn't see anything special at all. Noel is a lot more agile and much more athletic. Now I don't really know either one of them but watching both clips, id take Neol any day. now considering the ACL issue id pass on both and pick a point guard.

Optimus_Steel · Post #419 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:54 pm

cb1115 wrote:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Dwight Howard on his old Orlando Magic teammates: "My team in Orlando was a team full of people that nobody wanted." http://tinyurl.com/d82mgll

So, um, who else is ready for March 12?

Please someone show Jameer this.

Neon1 · Post #420 » by **Neon1** » Tue Mar 5, 2013 2:57 pm

Magicalltheway wrote:how can you guys even compare Noel and Gobert. All Gobert is good at is shot blocking, no athleticism, and I didn't see anything special at all. Noel is a lot more agile and much more athletic. Now I don't really know either one of them but watching both clips, id take Neol any day. now considering the ACL issue id pass on both and pick a point guard.

I don't think anybody said Gobert was near as good as Noel. I think they were more comparing and contrasting if it would be better to get Smart (with Gobert) or Noel (with Carter-Williams/Burke/McCollum/etc)