Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan

[Mc-o]

Unless i am missing something this is a vanilla trade that no one should celebrate or be depressee about. Its clifford getting rid of biz who he hates and getting more depth at pg. thats it.

I still think we add a piece with the mle.

people are underestimating the clifford - biz connection , or lack of connection.

[MagicFan101]

They’re going to evaluate the same god damn team again this year.

Who didn’t see that coming? At some point you have to laugh.

Agreed! Shortsighted fans are hilarious!

[VFX]

Man people overreact so hard here. I truly thought the roster was finalized and done by how much complaining was happening. I am thinking thats not the case.

The funny part is a lot of this emotion seems to hinge on IT, a guy most people would have considered to be an afterthought just 1 month ago.

Unreal.

I don’t usually agree with you, but yeah here we go.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Unless i am missing something this is a vanilla trade that no one should celebrate or be depressee about. Its clifford getting rid of biz who he hates and getting more depth at pg. thats it.

I still think we add a piece with the mle.

This.

This trade has literally no implications of what’s to come. Grant is a bench guy that gives us depth at our biggest need, nothing more.

Believe it or not I truly think Mosgov would be a more productive player in Orlando with this teams current makeup than the contrary.

I think we stretch him or attempt a buy-out if we don’t get rid of Vucevic.

[MagicFan101]

Unless i am missing something this is a vanilla trade that no one should celebrate or be depressee about. Its clifford getting rid of biz who he hates and getting more depth at pg. thats it.

I still think we add a piece with the mle.

people are underestimating the clifford - biz connection , or lack of connection.

Clifford has been preaching 5-out or 4-out + Dwight since the day he got here. Biz is not his kind of big man and he learned first hand that Biz never will be.

[j-ragg]

I don’t give a **** about IT coming or going fwiw, the fact that Weltman all but confirmed this is our pg rotation going into this season is so sad.

Again I don’t see how being critical of this deal means trades can’t come later on...

[Optimus_Steel]

They’re going to evaluate the same god damn team again this year.

Pretty much what ive been saying this entire thread and is the main reason I have been skeptical about this trade. Clifford doubling down again on one of our starters from last year (DJ) in that interview. If people are fine with that, so be it, but Id rather not sit through another evaluation season.

Seriously what's going to be the excuse? We need this to be an evaluation year....again???

Instead of "Blue and White Ignite" or "Pure Magic" we can use "Evaluate Again"

[MagicFan101]

Vuc and Ross combine to a bit over $23M in expiring salary. By giving AG an decreasing contract and swapping Biz for two deal with $2.6M expiring from one, we are now looking at closer to $30M in extra space next summer.

We need better cap projections and a complete story on some of these moves to capture our actual 2019 space but it is worth looking ahead.

They may not be sexy moves today but they can add up to something.

[PrimeThyme]

Man people overreact so hard here. I truly thought the roster was finalized and done by how much complaining was happening. I am thinking thats not the case.

The funny part is a lot of this emotion seems to hinge on IT, a guy most people would have considered to be an afterthought just 1 month ago.

Unreal.

Well, that's your opinion, and if I felt the same way I wouldn't consider this trade to really be a big deal either. But, I feel that this trade is essentially Weltman doubling down on the starters from last year which is why its bigger for me than just what appears on the surface.

I think why IT would have been considered an afterthought a month ago is because most of us were hoping that draft day trades were going to be made after a year of evaluating. Whether that would have been to move up and get a guy like SGA or Simmons or by trading some of the players we already have for more cap space to sign a guy this summer. When that didn't happen, yes most of us looked to IT as an upgrade but that was never the first option.

[Jameerthefear]

Was fine with the move until I heard about the 2nd rounders...
Not in a position to be giving up picks, regardless if they're high or low.

[Spinedoc666]

Was fine with the move until I heard about the 2nd rounders...
Not in a position to be giving up picks, regardless if they're high or low.

You can literally buy 2nd round picks, its not that big of a deal.

[VFX]

The next big move / non move will say a lot about how management views the roster.

If Vuc is traded (he should be IMO) they will feel strongly about MO5 and Birch as the C rotation. They can then address moving DJ with Vuc for a legitimate point guard starter if they believe Grant to be only backup with upside.

If Vuc isn’t moved they will think Bamba will need a half/full season to acclimate to the nba playing as Vucs backup. I really hope this isn’t the case, but is the likeliest scenario.

[OrlandoDream]

Man people overreact so hard here. I truly thought the roster was finalized and done by how much complaining was happening. I am thinking thats not the case.

The funny part is a lot of this emotion seems to hinge on IT, a guy most people would have considered to be an afterthought just 1 month ago.

Unreal.

Well, that's your opinion, and if I felt the same way I wouldn't consider this trade to really be a big deal either. But, I feel that this trade is essentially Weltman doubling down on the starters from last year which is why its bigger for me than just what appears on the surface.

I think why IT would have been considered an afterthought a month ago is because most of us were hoping that draft day trades were going to be made after a year of evaluating. Whether that would have been to move up and get a guy like SGA or Simmons or by trading some of the players we already have for more cap space to sign a guy this summer. When that didn't happen, yes most of us looked to IT as an upgrade but that was never the first option.

Did you bug the draft room? We dont know if they tried and maybe failed or teams wanted too much to trade up and get an extra pick. Cracking into the top 10 this year was going to cost us next years 1st at least based on the asking price of most teams.

I have no doubt Weltman tried but teams wanted too much. Also this draft is not big on talented PG. Aside from Trae and maybe SGA there is no other PG in this draft that was gonna crack the starting spot from day 1 from DJ.

The draft was not the place for us to solve our PG woes this year. Next we tried free agency and would of prob gotten IT but that medicals were bad and his hip doesnt look good. Not smart to give our entire mid level to a guy that is not 100% coming off hip surgery. Now we look into trades, which he did by acquiring grant SHORT TERM.

Weltman tried all avenues to upgrade our PG via draft, then free agency, and now trade. You cant fix the entire roster in one offseason. He saw that there just wasnt an opportunity to upgrade right now in this current market so we will stand still until something else comes up. Better then wait and be smart then make a knee-jerk decision that could set the franchise back for years. See Rob Hennigans history here.

[fa2011]

[Spinedoc666]

The next big move / non move will say a lot about how management views the roster.

If Vuc is traded (he should be IMO) they will feel strongly about MO5 and Birch as the C rotation. They can then address moving DJ with Vuc for a legitimate point guard starter if they believe Grant to be only backup with upside.

If Vuc isn’t moved they will think Bamba will need a half/full season to acclimate to the nba playing as Vucs backup. I really hope this isn’t the case, but is the likeliest scenario.

Maybe, maybe not. Its not just how they feel about the rotation and if Bamba is ready or not. Vuc is expiring contract and carries a significant value potentially, but we also need to be careful not to take on the wrong type of contract. The best thing may be to let Vuc walk and take the cap savings. A lot of scenarios to go through really.

[PrimeThyme]

Man people overreact so hard here. I truly thought the roster was finalized and done by how much complaining was happening. I am thinking thats not the case.

The funny part is a lot of this emotion seems to hinge on IT, a guy most people would have considered to be an afterthought just 1 month ago.

Unreal.

Well, that's your opinion, and if I felt the same way I wouldn't consider this trade to really be a big deal either. But, I feel that this trade is essentially Weltman doubling down on the starters from last year which is why its bigger for me than just what appears on the surface.

I think why IT would have been considered an afterthought a month ago is because most of us were hoping that draft day trades were going to be made after a year of evaluating. Whether that would have been to move up and get a guy like SGA or Simmons or by trading some of the players we already have for more cap space to sign a guy this summer. When that didn't happen, yes most of us looked to IT as an upgrade but that was never the first option.

Did you bug the draft room? We dont know if they tried and maybe failed or teams wanted too much to trade up and get an extra pick. Cracking into the top 10 this year was going to cost us next years 1st at least based on the asking price of most teams.

I have no doubt Weltman tried but teams wanted too much. Also this draft is not big on talented PG. Aside from Trae and maybe SGA there is no other PG in this draft that was gonna crack the starting spot from day 1 from DJ.

The draft was not the place for us to solve our PG woes this year. Next we tried free agency and would of prob gotten IT but that medicals were bad and his hip doesnt look good. Not smart to give our entire mid level to a guy that is not 100% coming off hip surgery. Now we look into trades, which he did by acquiring grant SHORT TERM.

Weltman tried all avenues to upgrade our PG via draft, then free agency, and now trade. You cant fix the entire roster in one offseason. He saw that there just wasnt an opportunity to upgrade right now in this current market so we will stand still until something else comes up. Better then wait and be smart then make a knee-jerk decision that could set the franchise back for years. See Rob Hennigans history here.

Lol so you asked me if I bugged the draft room but then claim this:

Weltman tried all avenues to upgrade our PG via draft, then free agency, and now trade.

None of us know one way or the other what happend on draft night, the only thing we can go off of is that no trades were made. Sure trades had to be floated around but that doesn't mean they were ever serious. There were point guards outside of the top 10 to be had in this draft.

Next we tried free agency and would of prob gotten IT but that medicals were bad and his hip doesnt look good.

You've said this now in multiple threads and I would like to see a source for it, because as of now I have no idea how you would know that that is the reason we didn't sign him. I have not seen that reported.

[Def Swami]

Welp

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[magicman112]

Was fine with the move until I heard about the 2nd rounders...
Not in a position to be giving up picks, regardless if they're high or low.

They weren't even our picks they were ones we got from other teams. So we still have our own.

[Def Swami]

Just realized, we paid more for Jerian Grant than we earned for Elfrid Payton.

I'm honestly apathetic about this move. Glad to get rid of Biz. I just question the front office if this what they envision their point guard rotation for the season. I imagine there's another trade to make, so we can reevaluate this deal in September.

[OrlandoDream]

Well, that's your opinion, and if I felt the same way I wouldn't consider this trade to really be a big deal either. But, I feel that this trade is essentially Weltman doubling down on the starters from last year which is why its bigger for me than just what appears on the surface.

I think why IT would have been considered an afterthought a month ago is because most of us were hoping that draft day trades were going to be made after a year of evaluating. Whether that would have been to move up and get a guy like SGA or Simmons or by trading some of the players we already have for more cap space to sign a guy this summer. When that didn't happen, yes most of us looked to IT as an upgrade but that was never the first option.

Did you bug the draft room? We dont know if they tried and maybe failed or teams wanted too much to trade up and get an extra pick. Cracking into the top 10 this year was going to cost us next years 1st at least based on the asking price of most teams.

I have no doubt Weltman tried but teams wanted too much. Also this draft is not big on talented PG. Aside from Trae and maybe SGA there is no other PG in this draft that was gonna crack the starting spot from day 1 from DJ.

The draft was not the place for us to solve our PG woes this year. Next we tried free agency and would of prob gotten IT but that medicals were bad and his hip doesnt look good. Not smart to give our entire mid level to a guy that is not 100% coming off hip surgery. Now we look into trades, which he did by acquiring grant SHORT TERM.

Weltman tried all avenues to upgrade our PG via draft, then free agency, and now trade. You cant fix the entire roster in one offseason. He saw that there just wasnt an opportunity to upgrade right now in this current market so we will stand still until something else comes up. Better then wait and be smart then make a knee-jerk decision that could set the franchise back for years. See Rob Hennigans history here.

Lol so you asked me if I bugged the draft room but then claim this:

Weltman tried all avenues to upgrade our PG via draft, then free agency, and now trade.[/spoiler]

None of us know one way or the other what happend on draft night, the only thing we can go off of is that no trades were made. Sure trades had to be floated around but that doesn't mean they were ever serious. There were point guards outside of the top 10 to be had in this draft.

Next we tried free agency and would of prob gotten IT but that medicals were bad and his hip doesnt look good.

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You've said this now in multiple threads and I would like to see a source for it, becuase as of now I have no idea how you would know that that is the reason we didnt sign him. I have not seen that reported.

Scott Anez tweeted about it then Josh said we never got to negotiating a contract. IT would have been perfect for this currently built roster with his scoring ability. What other possible reason do you think we didnt even get to negotiate a contract besides the fact that we saw his medical records and it just did not look great.

If his medical cleared, we would have made the move. Both sides were interesting in reaching a deal but too many red flags on the injured hip. Look it up. It makes sense. What else could have prevented the signing?