Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[Knightro]

I'm in no hurry to extend WCJ or Bamba.

I think the Magic should absolutely let them both play out this season and head into restricted free agency.

[MasterGMer]

28-30 mil a year for both Mo and WCj and i'll be down. I like both of their potential an personally would like to have the center position set for the future. The both have different strengths which is what makes it intriguing. Add in Isaac as a small ball C.... and i'll be a happy camper.

There is no way Magic is keeping both WCJ and Bamba. Just too expensive and having both is not aligning to a plan to find a franchise center

I hope Bamba does well if we are not trading him before the season

[OrlandO]

Whoever doens't get the starting gig contract will probably want to go elsewhere.

[basketballRob]

I want to see what Mo looks like with a PG. He had Markelle for a couple games before he was promoted. The same with Cole. He's pretty much had MCW, DJ, and whatever that guy's name was last year.

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[MoMM]

I hate this thread be named "Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0", we don't even know how they will play, how can we compare them to that team?

[pepe1991]

I don't see scenario where current set of Magic PGs will "elevate" any center to the point where that guy will look great.

[drsd]

I hate this thread be named "Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0", we don't even know how they will play, how can we compare them to that team?

I agree that this is not a HnH roster (overachieving vets from the G-league). This is a young gazelle roster. Actually it is therefore the absolute opposite of HnH.

A better term for this roster would be something like "Young Guns". But of course the NBA is trying to move away from urban violence themes.

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[drsd]

28-30 mil a year for both Mo and WCj and i'll be down. I like both of their potential an personally would like to have the center position set for the future. The both have different strengths which is what makes it intriguing. Add in Isaac as a small ball C.... and i'll be a happy camper.

This is actually how I view them: 17M a year for one and 13M a year for the other. And this season is the tryouts to see who gets which.

30M a year for a starter and the major-minutes backup at one roster slot would be value relative to the cap after all.

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[drsd]

No way in hell we are paying 10+ ml. per year for a backup centre.

I suspect you will find that you words will not ring true. Bamba on a 4 year 60M contract makes sense as even if he does not work to the roster, that is a traceable asset.

Management is not going to let Cater and Bamba walk for nothing.

In the end, one of these two will probably be traded.

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[zaymon]

No way in hell we are paying 10+ ml. per year for a backup centre.

I suspect you will find that you words will not ring true. Bamba on a 4 year 60M contract makes sense as even if he does not work to the roster, that is a traceable asset.

Management is not going to let Cater and Bamba walk for nothing.

In the end, one of these two will probably be traded.

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Bamba on a 4/60 is Biyombo all over again. At least Biyombo tried hard. Right now Mo is not worth 4/40. Last year he got minutes when we wanted to tank games like versus Pistons. It was funny and sad at the same time how we used him.
It looks like only thing that motivates Bamba is money, he worked before the draft and he works now in contract year. Giving him big money takes away only thing that makes him work.

[drsd]

Bamba on a 4/60 is Biyombo all over again.

i) 60M then is not 60M now
ii) and this proves the point that backup bigs on medium size deals are tradable. The Magic got a much needed Jerian Grant for him (played 60 Magic games and was an important contributor).

At least Biyombo tried hard.

This is THE SEASON for Bamba to play without frustration and end the body language of a despondent player. Have fun and play with joy. We fans are sure he is working hard in practice. But enjoy it!

Right now Mo is not worth 4/40.

"Worth" is dependent on the market. In the current CBA, essentially any lottery player coming off a rookie contract will get at least this kind of money.

Giving him big money takes away only thing that makes him work.

While it pains me to write this, 10M a year is not "big money" in the current NBA system. A team could have a roster of 11 players at 10M a year and be under the cap. That is ridiculous but it is what it is.

[Bergmaniac]

No way in hell we are paying 10+ ml. per year for a backup centre.

I suspect you will find that you words will not ring true. Bamba on a 4 year 60M contract makes sense as even if he does not work to the roster, that is a traceable asset.

Management is not going to let Cater and Bamba walk for nothing.

In the end, one of these two will probably be traded.

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If Bamba can't even outplay WCJr and become a starter on one of the worst teams in the league, giving him a 60 mln. contract would be downright idiotic unless WCJr becomes a big star overnight which we all know is extremely unlikely to happen. No team in the league pays its backup centre 15 mln. or anything close to it. And who'd trade for a backup centre on such a contract?

and this proves the point that backup bigs on medium size deals are tradable. The Magic got a much needed Jerian Grant for him (played 60 Magic games and was an important contributor).

Jerian was horrendous for us. And we traded Biyombo mostly for the corpse of Mozgov, who didn't even play a minute for the Magic but we are still paying him 5 mln. per season. So yeah, everyone is tradeable if you are willing to take on other horrible contracts, but this doesn't mean that giving such horrible contracts is a good idea.

[axl_c_cool]

I saw the headline we will have $30M in cap space and my thought was to sign a high level player, I never considered resigning Bamba AND WCJ. If we waste that much on 2 starter level (at best centers) we are in trouble.

I would much rather move on from Ross (unless he's one of the expiring) MCW etc and sign someone worth $20M+ a year then waste it on 2 players who might have a limited role in our future. No more contacts to hold us down in the future please!

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[pepe1991]

Dam insanity. You guys know one Noel is better than both Wedell and Bamba and will probably be for next 5 years and he plays for $10M a year.

Paying backup center for role of 15-18 mpg ( we talk about like 25-30 possessions a game ! ) $15M is laughable. It is Biyombo contract part 2.

I don't give a damn about "salary boost" worh $6M. That "boost " , mostly spreads into max contract slots anyway.

[drsd]

Jerian was horrendous for us.

That is like saying Bacon was horrendous for the Magic. Yes they both were, but that was their respective roles.

(And Biyombo as a stretchable player that then become cap-free, that was a cherry on the trade).

Let's not forget the insanity of this all was the Magic trading for Ibaka. There are so many different directions the Magic could/should have traded Oladipo.


In the end, how you and I feel does not matter. What matters is the reality that either Carter or Bamba is gonna get REALLY paid and the other is just gonna get PAID. ((or one gets traded))


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[drsd]

Dam insanity. You guys know one Noel is better than both Wedell and Bamba and will probably be for next 5 years and he plays for $10M a year.

Paying backup center for role of 15-18 mpg ( we talk about like 25-30 possessions a game ! ) $15M is laughable. It is Biyombo contract part 2.

I don't give a damn about "salary boost" worh $6M. That "boost " , mostly spreads into max contract slots anyway.

The Magic could just sign a couple of new-Lopez'es every year. But what I cannot fathom is brining in a new young Center. That's insane for how this roster is constructed.




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[drsd]

I saw the headline we will have $30M in cap space and my thought was to sign a high level player, I never considered resigning Bamba AND WCJ. If we waste that much on 2 starter level (at best centers) we are in trouble.

I would much rather move on from Ross (unless he's one of the expiring) MCW etc and sign someone worth $20M+ a year then waste it on 2 players who might have a limited role in our future. No more contacts to hold us down in the future please!

The "highlight" of the FA core next offseason looks to be LaVine. Or maybe Beal. I expect more SnT deals by the Magic next off-season than outright FA moves.


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[basketballRob]

I hate this thread be named "Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0", we don't even know how they will play, how can we compare them to that team?

I agree that this is not a HnH roster (overachieving vets from the G-league). This is a young gazelle roster. Actually it is therefore the absolute opposite of HnH.

A better term for this roster would be something like "Young Guns". But of course the NBA is trying to move away from urban violence themes.

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Call it space and pace.

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[Optimus_Steel]

We should not be extending centers at this point, specially when cheap centers can be signed in FA.

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[DiplomaticMagic]

Saw on Instagram, Cole, RJ, Suggs, Chuma, Franz, Markelle and Mo all working out together in South Carolina