2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[Skybox]

im worried about GJT. yes, he can shoot the 3 above average (not great, but above average), but thats it. he doesnt pass and is a bad defender.

Pretty harsh calling him a bad defender.
He does exactly what we need from our 2 guard- volume 3 point shooting and solid defense.

At worst, Trent jr is an above average defender, nurse called him many times one of the best defender in his team (before moving him to bench)

I think Trent would really benefit from playing with good playmakers like fultz+ Paolo and Franz

I remember it more like "see, Trent is really making an effort to play some D now" (paraphrase). He's not bad, but I wouldn't consider him above average. I like the player, but I can't see paying him 20+...maybe a steeply descending deal, since we have money to burn this summer (if we don't go BIG like FVV). Personally, I'd rather have Hawkins than GTJ or even grab Ogbaji on a rookie deal from UTA (maybe swap 6 for 9)...Agbaji is definitely a mature 3&D guy of similar size...I think he'd be closer to ideal.

Again, GTJ makes a lot of sense, but I suspect an overpay coming.

[GGforever]

Pretty harsh calling him a bad defender.
He does exactly what we need from our 2 guard- volume 3 point shooting and solid defense.

At worst, Trent jr is an above average defender, nurse called him many times one of the best defender in his team (before moving him to bench)

I think Trent would really benefit from playing with good playmakers like fultz+ Paolo and Franz

I remember it more like "see, Trent is really making an effort to play some D now" (paraphrase). He's not bad, but I wouldn't consider him above average. I like the player, but I can't see paying him 20+...maybe a steeply descending deal, since we have money to burn this summer (if we don't go BIG like FVV). Personally, I'd rather have Hawkins than GTJ or even grab Ogbaji on a rookie deal from UTA (maybe swap 6 for 9)...Agbaji is definitely a mature 3&D guy of similar size...I think he'd be closer to ideal.

Again, GTJ makes a lot of sense, but I suspect an overpay coming.

Would love Trent on a good deal but taking Hawkins over him all day.

[tiderulz]

im worried about GJT. yes, he can shoot the 3 above average (not great, but above average), but thats it. he doesnt pass and is a bad defender.

Pretty harsh calling him a bad defender.
He does exactly what we need from our 2 guard- volume 3 point shooting and solid defense.

At worst, Trent jr is an above average defender, nurse called him many times one of the best defender in his team (before moving him to bench)

I think Trent would really benefit from playing with good playmakers like fultz+ Paolo and Franz

Nurse also called him out on defensive effort, which waned

[Magicman125]

At worst, Trent jr is an above average defender, nurse called him many times one of the best defender in his team (before moving him to bench)

I think Trent would really benefit from playing with good playmakers like fultz+ Paolo and Franz

I remember it more like "see, Trent is really making an effort to play some D now" (paraphrase). He's not bad, but I wouldn't consider him above average. I like the player, but I can't see paying him 20+...maybe a steeply descending deal, since we have money to burn this summer (if we don't go BIG like FVV). Personally, I'd rather have Hawkins than GTJ or even grab Ogbaji on a rookie deal from UTA (maybe swap 6 for 9)...Agbaji is definitely a mature 3&D guy of similar size...I think he'd be closer to ideal.

Again, GTJ makes a lot of sense, but I suspect an overpay coming.

Would love Trent on a good deal but taking Hawkins over him all day.

Hawkins is a great shooter, but he's like 180 pounds and I worry about his quickness to run all over the court/come off screens if he adds weight to his frame it may hinder his mobility/shooting ability. GTJ has a little more size (almost 30 pounds heavier) to hold up on defense and has better defensive awareness from a team defense perspective and is already a proven commodity as a shooter.

[89Magicfan]

Not really a fan of GTJ.

Just not a guy I’m spending money on to start at the 2. Honesty want nothing to do with any of the Raps players.

[jonbob17]

Pretty harsh calling him a bad defender.
He does exactly what we need from our 2 guard- volume 3 point shooting and solid defense.

At worst, Trent jr is an above average defender, nurse called him many times one of the best defender in his team (before moving him to bench)

I think Trent would really benefit from playing with good playmakers like fultz+ Paolo and Franz

I remember it more like "see, Trent is really making an effort to play some D now" (paraphrase). He's not bad, but I wouldn't consider him above average. I like the player, but I can't see paying him 20+...maybe a steeply descending deal, since we have money to burn this summer (if we don't go BIG like FVV). Personally, I'd rather have Hawkins than GTJ or even grab Ogbaji on a rookie deal from UTA (maybe swap 6 for 9)...Agbaji is definitely a mature 3&D guy of similar size...I think he'd be closer to ideal.

Again, GTJ makes a lot of sense, but I suspect an overpay coming.

You can only descend contracts by the same rate you can ascend them. So in Trent's case 5% a year. up to 8% for your own players (Bird rights).

I don't know that there will be a lot of bidders out there. I think his current rate should be the high end of the market. There is cap inflation, but i think new CBA rules are going to tamp down contracts too. 3/51 sounds good, but assuming he will want a 4th year.

I like Trent, but at the same time depending on who we draft, i don't want him blocking minutes either. I guess we could probably play him next to two other guards some times, but he's only 6'4"

[yoyojw17]

I'm on the bruce brown train. He brings everything that I would like to see in the SG position with the team that we have. And I hope he could be had at a reasonable price... coming from a $6.5 mill bench role salary. And coming fresh off of a possible title run... he will bring experience to the team for our young guys to learn from.

If we are targeting a capable SG in the offseason... swing hard (BPA) on the 6th and 11th picks (and if shooting comes with those picks... even better)

[jonbob17]

I'm on the bruce brown train. He brings everything that I would like to see in the SG position with the team that we have. And I hope he could be had at a reasonable price... coming from a $6.5 mill bench role salary. And coming fresh off of a possible title run... he will bring experience to the team for our young guys to learn from.

If we are targeting a capable SG in the offseason... swing hard (BPA) on the 6th and 11th picks (and if shooting comes with those picks... even better)

Not sure there is enough offense but Suggs/Brown/Franz/Isaac/Carter sounds like a defensive death line up. Throw that out there when you need to stop a run.

[yoyojw17]

I'm on the bruce brown train. He brings everything that I would like to see in the SG position with the team that we have. And I hope he could be had at a reasonable price... coming from a $6.5 mill bench role salary. And coming fresh off of a possible title run... he will bring experience to the team for our young guys to learn from.

If we are targeting a capable SG in the offseason... swing hard (BPA) on the 6th and 11th picks (and if shooting comes with those picks... even better)

Not sure there is enough offense but Suggs/Brown/Franz/Isaac/Carter sounds like a defensive death line up. Throw that out there when you need to stop a run.

I like it too... because it still gives a glimmer of light for many outcomes for players that are all growing. If he gets outplayed by suggs at a point... he could still be cost effective enough to move to the bench.... again. lol

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[dsg2021]

How much have we grown up together. Our trade ideas are way fewer because we all know by now they are unrealistic needle in haystacks scenarios. And our FA ideas go from “FVV sure” until “FVV 30+ mil? Nah” and large agreement on Bruce Brown.

[basketballRob]

Brown can also play PG.

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[GatorbaitDD]

Trent Jr is a bench rotation guard. A guy you bring on the floor to hit some 3s. There’s a reason a team like Toronto who needs shooting isn’t extending him.

I’d much prefer we go after Bruce Brown. Great culture add. Can probably be had on a reasonable deal sub 20 a year.

[cedric76]

Trent Jr is a bench rotation guard. A guy you bring on the floor to hit some 3s. There’s a reason a team like Toronto who needs shooting isn’t extending him.

I’d much prefer we go after Bruce Brown. Great culture add. Can probably be had on a reasonable deal sub 20 a year.

Isn't extending him? Trent has a player option, he is in control

[GatorbaitDD]

Trent Jr is a bench rotation guard. A guy you bring on the floor to hit some 3s. There’s a reason a team like Toronto who needs shooting isn’t extending him.

I’d much prefer we go after Bruce Brown. Great culture add. Can probably be had on a reasonable deal sub 20 a year.

Isn't extending him? Trent has a player option, he is in control

??? They could have extended him at any time during the season or before and chose not to. Sure, the can opt in or out of his current deal.

[drsd]

I am pleased to see the Rockets linked to VanVleet, as it is my opinion this team is better served by inking Trent. I think he would help this roster considerably.

im worried about GJT. yes, he can shoot the 3 above average (not great, but above average), but thats it. he doesnt pass and is a bad defender.

Pretty harsh calling him a bad defender.
He does exactly what we need from our 2 guard- volume 3 point shooting and solid defense.

And-1

As I would rather the Magic offer 4-years 90M to Trent than 4-years 130M to VanVleet.

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[drsd]

Would love Trent on a good deal but taking Hawkins over him all day.

Hawkins is at least two years away from developing to an NBA starter. Until then: what?


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[tiderulz]

Would love Trent on a good deal but taking Hawkins over him all day.

Hawkins is at least two years away from developing to an NBA starter. Until then: what?


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or, he is a low level starter from day 1. you never know

[Redick07]

I really hope we can make some significant moving.

1. Try to get Mikal Bridges through trade: #6, 24 FRP, 25 FRP(keep Denver’s FRP), 26 FRP, G.Harris, Cole Anthony, OKeke, Bol for Mikal Bridges.

2. Sign GTJ with 80M/4y contract

3. Sign M. Plumlee with MLE (maybe 3 year)

4. #11 pick T. Hendrick as backup power forward; #36 pick a backup PG

5. Re-sign Mo Wagner


Then our lineup will be:

Fultz/Suggs/#36
Bridges/GTJ/Houstan
Franz/GTJ/JI
Paolo/Hendrick
WCJ/Plumlee/Mo W

[GGforever]

Would love Trent on a good deal but taking Hawkins over him all day.

Hawkins is at least two years away from developing to an NBA starter. Until then: what?


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Trust in Suggs to take the leap as the starting 2. That will take a lot of offensive improvement however.
Or have Franz play some minutes at the 2. But would prefer not to do this.

[jonbob17]

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During the playoffs this year the team with the higher 3 point percentage has won 79% of the time.
Not too worried about it next year, but by the time we are ready to contend we are going to have to make some shots, and defend the opponents threes.