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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#401 » by basketballRob » Fri Feb 14, 2025 6:44 pm

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Many hints suggest that teams wanted AB in any trade at the deadline.

It wasn’t as simple as picks + Cole or WCJ as often projected here.

Unless it was DFox, I’m not including AB in a deal for any of the names commonly discussed. More opportunities for a trade will come.
I'm not even sure I'd package him for Fox.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#402 » by MagicFan101 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:57 pm

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Many hints suggest that teams wanted AB in any trade at the deadline.

It wasn’t as simple as picks + Cole or WCJ as often projected here.

Unless it was DFox, I’m not including AB in a deal for any of the names commonly discussed. More opportunities for a trade will come.
I'm not even sure I'd package him for Fox.

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I believe Fox will pull it together as Wemby and co evolv.

My point was more to the people ready to burn the building down for the team not making a move.

Dealing AB and first round pick(s) for Collin Sexton or even Anfernee Simons feels like us ending up on the wrong end of the Bulls Vuc deal.

Staying put was that right call if AB was the price. My gut tells me there will be another shot at adding Simons.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#403 » by eyriq » Fri Feb 14, 2025 9:12 pm

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Staying put was that right call if AB was the price. My gut tells me there will be another shot at adding Simons.


Agreed 100%.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#404 » by MagicStarwipe » Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:18 am

Anybody else notice that AB's jumper rarely misses to the left or right? If it misses it's either too long or too short.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#405 » by eyriq » Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:54 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:Anybody else notice that AB's jumper rarely misses to the left or right? If it misses it's either too long or too short.
The shot really looks good imo
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#406 » by SloNick Russia » Sat Feb 15, 2025 1:15 am

AB was drafted based on size, defense and handles, if he was a deadly 3pt shooter he wouldn't be available at 6.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#407 » by I Rasharted » Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:17 am

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MagicStarwipe wrote:Anybody else notice that AB's jumper rarely misses to the left or right? If it misses it's either too long or too short.
The shot really looks good imo

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#408 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Feb 17, 2025 1:54 pm

SloNick Russia wrote:AB was drafted based on size, defense and handles, if he was a deadly 3pt shooter he wouldn't be available at 6.

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Yeah Brandon Miller was taken 2nd wasn't he?
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#409 » by KillMonger » Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:08 am

3 things AB needs to work on or add to his game.....
1. jumpshot - nothing else needs to be said

2. Strength/conditioning - I think he can take his body to another level... Added strength will help on both ends of the floor

3. Floater - Any good guard has a good floater, Trae young, steph even SGA has a good one.... It's another weapon you can use if they're denying you at the rim... None of our guards currently have a good floater.... Shieeeet or a floater in general

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#410 » by eyriq » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:29 pm

KillMonger wrote:3 things AB needs to work on or add to his game.....
1. jumpshot - nothing else needs to be said

2. Strength/conditioning - I think he can take his body to another level... Added strength will help on both ends of the floor

3. Floater - Any good guard has a good floater, Trae young, steph even SGA has a good one.... It's another weapon you can use if they're denying you at the rim... None of our guards currently have a good floater.... Shieeeet or a floater in general

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#411 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:55 pm

KillMonger wrote:3 things AB needs to work on or add to his game.....
1. jumpshot - nothing else needs to be said

2. Strength/conditioning - I think he can take his body to another level... Added strength will help on both ends of the floor

3. Floater - Any good guard has a good floater, Trae young, steph even SGA has a good one.... It's another weapon you can use if they're denying you at the rim... None of our guards currently have a good floater.... Shieeeet or a floater in general

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I don't get to see the game, only highlights. Yes he looks scrawny but is he really being out-muscled?
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#412 » by Idiosyncratic » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:16 pm

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KillMonger wrote:3 things AB needs to work on or add to his game.....
1. jumpshot - nothing else needs to be said

2. Strength/conditioning - I think he can take his body to another level... Added strength will help on both ends of the floor

3. Floater - Any good guard has a good floater, Trae young, steph even SGA has a good one.... It's another weapon you can use if they're denying you at the rim... None of our guards currently have a good floater.... Shieeeet or a floater in general

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I don't get to see the game, only highlights. Yes he looks scrawny but is he really being out-muscled?


I think he is pretty strong for his age, but I think for his playstyle getting stronger will help a ton. A lot of times when he drives he gets fouled and falls or gets blocked and like bounces off the defender. If he was the one dishing the damage it would create easier looks for him. I think he will get there, he has a really strong base it looks like at least.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#413 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:23 pm

I still think AB has the skillset to be a poor mans Paolo in terms of FTA per game. The problem is he needs to have at least an equivelent jumpshot to Franz / Paolo / Suggs otherwise he is too one dimensional and quickly gets forced into being a spot up shooter.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#414 » by Skybox » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:00 pm

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KillMonger wrote:3 things AB needs to work on or add to his game.....
1. jumpshot - nothing else needs to be said

2. Strength/conditioning - I think he can take his body to another level... Added strength will help on both ends of the floor

3. Floater - Any good guard has a good floater, Trae young, steph even SGA has a good one.... It's another weapon you can use if they're denying you at the rim... None of our guards currently have a good floater.... Shieeeet or a floater in general

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I don't get to see the game, only highlights. Yes he looks scrawny but is he really being out-muscled?


I think he is pretty strong for his age, but I think for his playstyle getting stronger will help a ton. A lot of times when he drives he gets fouled and falls or gets blocked and like bounces off the defender. If he was the one dishing the damage it would create easier looks for him. I think he will get there, he has a really strong base it looks like at least.


Agree...people have brought up his need to get stronger - he looks pretty good physically to me. Obviously, a 21 yo athlete will naturally get stronger as he continues to be trained by pros..."man strength" will come pretty reliably, but I don't look at him and say "scrawny".
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#415 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:27 pm

AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Post#416 » by eyriq » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:47 pm

basketballRob wrote:AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#417 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:43 pm

basketballRob wrote:AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#418 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:57 pm

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basketballRob wrote:AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.


I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#419 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:21 pm

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basketballRob wrote:AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.


I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

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:rofl:

Entering AB threads is like opening twilight zone gates. You click here and you are right at reddit, bunch of people making outlandish takes.
Like, today i clicked on Magic's reddit page to see people having cream pie over Fultz shooting in empty gym. Guy is 27 and people talk about his *empty gym footage*

This over a top attachment for players that are mid-at best is epic.

From Payton, Fultz to AB. This bizzare fascination with PGs who can't shoot to save their lives.
I get that Magic didn't have good PG in 15 years but you can't will somebody into being one, because you *really want one*.


As for Black, guy on consitant bases struggles to beat people off the dribble because he simply does not have quick first step by nba standards. And because he is no treat to shoot, it's even harder to beat people off the dribble because they don't stay that close to him.
So majority of his game is playing back to basket as ball handler. That's bad position to be. And unlike some Livingston, he does not have post game that would back down people or turn into mid range shoot-over.

On top of that his ballhandling is mediocre even for combo guard, let alone point guard. He is not very creative finisher around rim either
Because he can't beat people off the dribble he also can't break defense and by default he can't open lines nor make defense crack , so his playmaking isn't that great.

Most of his problems really aren't solvable. He flat out does not have shooter's touch nor have foot speed for standard PG. You can't "train " yourself into being Amen Thompson athlete with Jalen Brunson on ball processing & skillet and Steph Curry shooting.
You either have skills or don't.

Right now you have Castle, who also isn't much of a shooter, but you can see how different he looks because his ballhandling & dribble penetration are simply on much higher level, size vise they are similar, but Castle breaks down defense without much effort because he is shifty and has burst that Black flat out doesn't have. Castle also has bag of tricks that he uses to create space, where, once again, year older, with one more in nba Black simply does not have.

Black whole purpose on offense is to spot up as bad shooter and to surprise some foolish defender off a dribble by catching him on wrong foot or overpowering him at rim, in hope nobody will help. That's pretty much it. That's why his offensive numbers ( and advanced stats) are that poor. Situations on offense where he is useful are like 4 times in 50 possessions.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#420 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:08 pm

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basketballRob wrote:AB must show a lot in practice because Mosely always seems defensive about how good he is. Nearly every player has talked about how good he is, too.

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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.


I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

When I was in HS, I could throw this football over that mountain.


Has it ever occurred to you that they sing his praises because he is legit better then Jett / KCP / Cole?

Similarly, you could say that what I am really saying is....that isn't saying much.

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