FIRE WELTMAN

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Well said

Some posters here have convinced themselves you can wait years and years to fill holes but in reality you’re competing against 29 other teams who are also looking to get better every season. Weltman has waited so long, that our needs are so obvious (and abundant), he has lost a lot of leverage and will get gouged if a move is made.

Our starting PG in last year’s playoffs was Markelle Fultz. Our starting PG in this year’s playoffs is Corey Joseph.

How can the apologists continue to convince themselves this is acceptable?

Go even further back all the way to the beginning and you’ll see Orlando has always devalued point guards. Penny Hardaway and Jameer Nelson, it’s sad 36 years of Magic Basketball and I’m not sure anyone could name 5 more point guards we’ve had much less any point guards not washed up and on their last contract.

Suggs and AB say hi. We've literally spent high lottery picks on the position during this rebuild.

This might surprise you, but neither are point guards.

But you already know this.

[eyriq]

Go even further back all the way to the beginning and you’ll see Orlando has always devalued point guards. Penny Hardaway and Jameer Nelson, it’s sad 36 years of Magic Basketball and I’m not sure anyone could name 5 more point guards we’ve had much less any point guards not washed up and on their last contract.

Suggs and AB say hi. We've literally spent high lottery picks on the position during this rebuild.

This might surprise you, but neither are point guards.

But you already know this.

No, that would definitely surprise me

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Suggs and AB say hi. We've literally spent high lottery picks on the position during this rebuild.

This might surprise you, but neither are point guards.

But you already know this.

No, that would definitely surprise me

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

[eyriq]

This might surprise you, but neither are point guards.

But you already know this.

No, that would definitely surprise me

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Suggs is a sniper, on defense he's a point of attack defender, and positionally he can play point guard or shooting guard.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, on defense he's a secondary defender that you can stick on a team's first or second best guard, and positionally he's a point guard.

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No, that would definitely surprise me

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because people label you a point guard doesn’t mean you are one. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because you call yourself a point guard doesn’t mean you are. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

Don’t bother my guy it’s not worth it

[basketballRob]

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because you call yourself a point guard doesn’t mean you are. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

He's developing into a PG. I'd like to see AB and Suggs starting together next season. I think AB will eventually be a 15/5/5 player with 2 spg and 1 bpg. That's a top 50 player.

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[eyriq]

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because people label you a point guard doesn’t mean you are one. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

I guess we are at an impasse then.

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Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because you call yourself a point guard doesn’t mean you are. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

He's developing into a PG. I'd like to see AB and Suggs starting together next season. I think AB will eventually be a 15/5/5 player with 2 spg and 1 bpg. That's a top 50 player.

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How many years does it take to “develop into” a point guard?

Why is Corey Joseph starting over him as a semi-retired vet?

Why does he barely average 3 assists per game?

[eyriq]

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because you call yourself a point guard doesn’t mean you are. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

He's developing into a PG. I'd like to see AB and Suggs starting together next season. I think AB will eventually be a 15/5/5 player with 2 spg and 1 bpg. That's a top 50 player.

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How many years does it take to “develop into” a point guard?

Why is Corey Joseph starting over him as a semi-retired vet?

Why does he barely average 3 assists per game?

3-4 years typically

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He's developing into a PG. I'd like to see AB and Suggs starting together next season. I think AB will eventually be a 15/5/5 player with 2 spg and 1 bpg. That's a top 50 player.

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How many years does it take to “develop into” a point guard?

Why is Corey Joseph starting over him as a semi-retired vet?

Why does he barely average 3 assists per game?

3-4 years typically

How convenient. AB’s timeframe gives him another year to show he’s a starting point guard.

Guess he has one offseason to improve enough to show us all the things he absolutely hasn’t yet.

[pepe1991]

How many years does it take to “develop into” a point guard?

Why is Corey Joseph starting over him as a semi-retired vet?

Why does he barely average 3 assists per game?

3-4 years typically

How convenient. AB’s timeframe gives him another year to show he’s a starting point guard.

Guess he has one offseason to improve enough to show us all the things he absolutely hasn’t yet.

Why even bother at this point? Let him live in his bubble.

[OrlChamps2030]

No, that would definitely surprise me

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard

Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs based on what might be pleasing to imagine, rather than on evidence, rationality, or reality. It is a product of resolving conflicts between belief and desire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking

[basketballRob]

Suggs was the 3rd youngest ever starting PG. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/youngest-starting-point-guard-in-nba-history

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[eyriq]

AB is a 2/3 that can guard 3 positions sometimes. He cannot create offense off the dribble, for others on the perimeter, or shoot off the dribble at point of attack. That limits his effectiveness entirely in pick and roll situations.

Suggs is basically a 3&D SG with slightly more ability to shoot off the dribble. However, his handles aren’t good enough to run PnR either.

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard

Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs based on what might be pleasing to imagine, rather than on evidence, rationality, or reality. It is a product of resolving conflicts between belief and desire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt

https://datadribble.com.au/

[Skybox]

Disagree completely.

On offense Anthony Black is your traditional point guard, … and positionally he's a point guard.

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because people label you a point guard doesn’t mean you are one. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

I guess we are at an impasse then.

This foolishness never gets boring …every media member, opposing player and fan (not to mention Paolo) knows we lack a REAL PG…but you think that just because Weltman (may have) mislabeled a couple of 3&D guys…we’re good

* I say “may have” because he might have gotten what he wanted, he just has, in that case, a completely misguided vision for a team offense

[OrlChamps2030]

Suggs was the 3rd youngest ever starting PG. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/youngest-starting-point-guard-in-nba-history

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100% inaccurate

[eyriq]

Absolutely not at all whatsoever.

Just because people label you a point guard doesn’t mean you are one. He does nothing a traditional point guard does. He doesn’t have the skillset to be one.

I guess we are at an impasse then.

This foolishness never gets boring …every media member, opposing player and fan (not to mention Paolo) knows we lack a REAL PG…but you think that just because Weltman (may have) mislabeled a couple of 3&D guys…we’re good

* I say “may have” because he might have gotten what he wanted, he just has, in that case, a completely misguided vision for a team offense

Fake news.

[Skybox]

I guess we are at an impasse then.

This foolishness never gets boring …every media member, opposing player and fan (not to mention Paolo) knows we lack a REAL PG…but you think that just because Weltman (may have) mislabeled a couple of 3&D guys…we’re good

* I say “may have” because he might have gotten what he wanted, he just has, in that case, a completely misguided vision for a team offense

Fake news.

I really hope you’re just having fun with this…it’s so far off

[basketballRob]

Suggs was the 3rd youngest ever starting PG. I'm not sure how accurate that is.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/youngest-starting-point-guard-in-nba-history

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100% inaccurate

I know you rarely ever start young players at PG unless you're on a tanking team.

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