EAS Law wrote:pepe1991 wrote:shadrock wrote:
You dont think their mismanagement played a role in what happened? They have nobody to blame but themselves if he is a star. They had him locked up and quit on him because their coaching staff wasnt equipped to either spot the issue and/or address it appropriately.
Im so incredibly grateful that the magic staff seem to be more switched on to this stuff. More than anything, if Fultz is who we now think he is, this is the biggest win to date for our new staff.
I don't get this narrative.
Philly is contender, even if Fultz was playing, but couldn't help them right away fight for chip and/or co-exist with Simmons, odds were that they would probably ship him for better fit.
They also needed cap space for FAs and trades.
In reality they flipped Okafor, J.Simmons, Šarić, Noel and Fultz into Al Horford ( 5 times allstar), one year of Jimmy Butler ( 4 times allstar), Tobias Harris and J. Rich.
That's not bad return by any streach of imagination.
Before Fultz trade people said same things for each and every one of them " they will regreat Okafor, they will regret Noel.."... They didn't. And even if they turn into good players, it's business, you have to give something up to make something happen.
Team who is contender has more value during championship hunt from one solid vet who will every game bring consistent value than one young player that clearly has more "future" and upside and 5 years from now will be be much better player than your vet is now.
You look at Marc Gasol trade to Raptors for J. Val. Valenchuinas averaged 20 ppg and 10,7 rpg for Memphis while being 8 years younger than Gasol, so they "won" trade, right? Yes and no. Valenchunas is younger, will last longer and Memphis got good value in return, but Raptors actually won trade because they made history, and 10 years from now nobody will remember how Memphis "won" trade but how Gasol shut down every single big man during that playoffs, including Cousins, Vučević and Embiid.
Philadelphia is in good shape to make big finals this year and since there is no Warriors type of roster this year, they have solid odds to win it all. And at end of a day you rebuild and tank to be in situation where you can win championship, not to be foster parent to players you drafted.
Which is why many of us don’t understand why Phlly fans seem to get VERY emotional about mocking both the Magic and Fultz. I think you’re right for the most part,but I don’t believe GMs think that far ahead at all and that luck plays a big part in the revisionist justification for bad trades if all ultimately works out.
It’s kind of like tracing back wasting and then trading TMac to Houston which ultimately lead to us making the Finals In 2009 once we got Howard and developed him. Its kind of silly honestly, but the real truth is that Philly will look like idiots if Fultz becomes a great player even near a first overall pick, and he was traded for Jsimmons and a second. They are very worried about that.
Which is why many of us don’t understand why Phlly fans seem to get VERY emotional about mocking both the Magic and Fultz
Because every fanbase is made of portion of fans who are flat out morons, incapable to be objective or see other side of a story.
I don’t believe GMs think that far ahead at all and that luck plays a big part in the revisionist justification for bad trades if all ultimately works out.
Lot of narrative is created by media and lot of things are nothing but hindsight and acting smart once you already know how things played out. Lot of GMs take job and start to feel heat of a position early, now probably more than ever because teams simply don't have patience to go through half of decade of rebuild. Especially big market teams.
It’s kind of like tracing back wasting and then trading TMac to Houston which ultimately lead to us making the Finals In 2009 once we got Howard and developed him. Its kind of silly honestly, but the real truth is that Philly will look like idiots if Fultz becomes a great player even near a first overall pick, and he was traded for Jsimmons and a second. They are very worried about that.
It all depends. If Simmons and Embiid can win championship, than obviously, they didn't need Fultz and trade was right thing to do.
If Fultz looks great, than sure, they will look like morons.
But probably most realistic scenario is that Philly will be contender, next year won't win anything and Fultz won't turn into new Harden -OKC scenario so nobody will really care or talk, just like literally nobody talks how Igoudala- Howard- Bynum was one of biggest fu****ries of a dacade for literally all teams involved in that trade.
It pushed 76ers in complete rebuild, it gave Magic zero young stars to build around and Igoudala literally snitched and left Nuggets. And why nobody talks about it? Because all 3 teams were irrelevant after it.
There are other examples of trades where both teams took an one big L , but as usual, media seems to be more focused on ones where one team "wins" just so they can s*** all over other team as they usually do. In reality most trades are latheral moves for both parties , and even ones for superstar almost always cost too much to actually "win" a trade. Look what Lakers gave up for Davis. He still is Anthony Davis but two former 2# picks for player that can be one year rental? Ouch.
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