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CarraT wrote:We´re finally on route to a proper tank and get a high pick, and exactly that year, the draftclass seems to be the worst since 9 Years!! And guess what, exactly that 9 years ago we had our last top 3 pick.
Talking about timing..
SOUL wrote:We have no idea how the draft will be. People call drafts weak that don't have an easily identifiable #1 but it doesn't mean the talent level is weak. Hell, even the Edwards/LaMelo draft people said they hated the top of the draft but those two guys are going to be All-Stars sooner than later. Wiseman TBD.
Oladipo draft was called terrible too because of the same reason, the people you can't really identify as top talent, but it produced Giannis, Gobert, McCollum. Just gotta hope scouting is solid.
zaymon wrote:Petre1978 wrote:zaymon wrote:
Not the biggest Banchero fan and i dont see how he fits next to Wagner. Average defender, poor shooter. Its similar fit to Tatum and Brown. We need rim protection, we need passing we need shooting we need perimeter defense, we need rebounding. Banchero gives you very small in those areas.
So who would you draft?
I have Holmgren number one. His frame is scary but we have WCJ to handle bigger opponents and Chet is infinitely better than Bamba who is soft like a feather.
I liked Jabari Smith when he was projected to go 7 not 1. In some sense his offensive skill set reminds me of Bamba. He is mostly stand still shooter. He is not posting up switches, his handle is limited ( thats why i dont see Rashard Lewis), he is not really rim protector ( here goes Bamba comparison), not great passer. I loved Wagner last year becouse he was insanely fluid for his size and could go to the rim at will, Smith is not that. I still have him above Banchero and i like his energy but he needs a lot of development to become even third option.
In top 10 i like Jovic, Davis, Brown, Mathurin.
zaymon wrote:CarraT wrote:We´re finally on route to a proper tank and get a high pick, and exactly that year, the draftclass seems to be the worst since 9 Years!! And guess what, exactly that 9 years ago we had our last top 3 pick.
Talking about timing..
We also tanked last year in super strong draft and we had another high lottery pick so i cant complain. Wagner and Suggs could be all we need to rebuild properly this time. To be honest Wagner is playing like number 1 pick right now.
We all know Banchero isn't 6'10" tho.Knightro wrote:Banchero v. Smith is going to be fascinating to watch play out.
Both power forwards. Both listed 6'10". But such different games.
basketballRob wrote:Jabari Smith is the clear number 1. He's almost a year younger than the rest of the players in the top of the lottery, but he already has an NBA frame.
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Petre1978 wrote:zaymon wrote:Petre1978 wrote:So who would you draft?
I have Holmgren number one. His frame is scary but we have WCJ to handle bigger opponents and Chet is infinitely better than Bamba who is soft like a feather.
I liked Jabari Smith when he was projected to go 7 not 1. In some sense his offensive skill set reminds me of Bamba. He is mostly stand still shooter. He is not posting up switches, his handle is limited ( thats why i dont see Rashard Lewis), he is not really rim protector ( here goes Bamba comparison), not great passer. I loved Wagner last year becouse he was insanely fluid for his size and could go to the rim at will, Smith is not that. I still have him above Banchero and i like his energy but he needs a lot of development to become even third option.
In top 10 i like Jovic, Davis, Brown, Mathurin.
Fair arguments Sir.
Imo Holmgren is on the top of the Magic draft board.
But the Magic could also go a different route and draft Davis, Mathurin or Ivey and acquire a later pick to draft a big man.
Walker Kessler from Auburn and Christian Koloko from Arizona are interesting options.
zaymon wrote:Petre1978 wrote:zaymon wrote:
I have Holmgren number one. His frame is scary but we have WCJ to handle bigger opponents and Chet is infinitely better than Bamba who is soft like a feather.
I liked Jabari Smith when he was projected to go 7 not 1. In some sense his offensive skill set reminds me of Bamba. He is mostly stand still shooter. He is not posting up switches, his handle is limited ( thats why i dont see Rashard Lewis), he is not really rim protector ( here goes Bamba comparison), not great passer. I loved Wagner last year becouse he was insanely fluid for his size and could go to the rim at will, Smith is not that. I still have him above Banchero and i like his energy but he needs a lot of development to become even third option.
In top 10 i like Jovic, Davis, Brown, Mathurin.
Fair arguments Sir.
Imo Holmgren is on the top of the Magic draft board.
But the Magic could also go a different route and draft Davis, Mathurin or Ivey and acquire a later pick to draft a big man.
Walker Kessler from Auburn and Christian Koloko from Arizona are interesting options.
I am not opposed to drafting Davis or Mathurin (still sceptical about Ivey), but that would mean earthquake for our guards rotation. I think we will lean towards bigger lineups in the future ( i prefer one guard lineup over three guard lineup). I still have high hopes for Suggs becouse he can be the lone guard in the starting lineup who you really cant post up becouse he is super strong. It can work with two guards but the other one must be really big (6'6+). Davis is at the border, but he also seems to have great frame.
Suggs and Davis doesnt seem to fit well. Fultz doesnt fit with anyone until he shoots. Anthony fits well, but he is too small for my ideal lineup.
I would be hesitant to burn pick on a big man. Players who outplay their draft positions are usually big guards and wings/forwards (Dosunmu who i loved, Herb Jones, Robinson- Earl)
pepe1991 wrote:Suggs actually is "scoring guard" more than he showed he is PG. He just isn't good one in limited sample size we got before he got hurt.
He is far cry from point guard in this moment
Def Swami wrote:MasterGMer wrote:If we have to choose between Banchero and Chet, who would you choose? The biggest thing about Chet is his weight, that scares me since he could be injury prone.
But speaking of banchero's game, his shot selection and decision making also scares me. Plus he is not a efficient 3 pt shooter either. But his finishing above the rim and ball handling skills is the best among big man in his class.
I honestly do not know.
I think I'd lean Banchero. Holmgren is a really skilled player. But his frame and weight scare the hell out of me. And I'll admit, I'm not sure how rational or irrational that feeling is. But I can't seem to shake it when I watch him play.
Before, I saw it as a 4 man race between Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, and Ivey. But, I think Mathurin, Davis, and Murray are making strong arguments to inject themselves into the conversation. This is a good draft for us.
Def Swami wrote:Def Swami wrote:MasterGMer wrote:If we have to choose between Banchero and Chet, who would you choose? The biggest thing about Chet is his weight, that scares me since he could be injury prone.
But speaking of banchero's game, his shot selection and decision making also scares me. Plus he is not a efficient 3 pt shooter either. But his finishing above the rim and ball handling skills is the best among big man in his class.
I honestly do not know.
I think I'd lean Banchero. Holmgren is a really skilled player. But his frame and weight scare the hell out of me. And I'll admit, I'm not sure how rational or irrational that feeling is. But I can't seem to shake it when I watch him play.
Before, I saw it as a 4 man race between Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, and Ivey. But, I think Mathurin, Davis, and Murray are making strong arguments to inject themselves into the conversation. This is a good draft for us.
Update, I changed my mind for the 4th time. I'd take Holmgren. It'll be a project. But I'd take the upside.
Petre1978 wrote:Def Swami wrote:Def Swami wrote:I think I'd lean Banchero. Holmgren is a really skilled player. But his frame and weight scare the hell out of me. And I'll admit, I'm not sure how rational or irrational that feeling is. But I can't seem to shake it when I watch him play.
Before, I saw it as a 4 man race between Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, and Ivey. But, I think Mathurin, Davis, and Murray are making strong arguments to inject themselves into the conversation. This is a good draft for us.
Update, I changed my mind for the 4th time. I'd take Holmgren. It'll be a project. But I'd take the upside.
Why do you take Holmgren now?