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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#421 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:10 pm

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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.


I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

When I was in HS, I could throw this football over that mountain.


:rofl:

Entering AB threads is like opening twilight zone gates. You click here and you are right at reddit, bunch of people making outlandish takes.
Like, today i clicked on Magic's reddit page to see people having cream pie over Fultz shooting in empty gym. Guy is 27 and people talk about his *empty gym footage*

This over a top attachment for players that are mid-at best is epic.

From Payton, Fultz to AB. This bizzare fascination with PGs who can't shoot to save their lives.
I get that Magic didn't have good PG in 15 years but you can't will somebody into being one, because you *really want one*.


As for Black, guy on consitant bases struggles to beat people off the dribble because he simply does not have quick first step by nba standards. And because he is no treat to shoot, it's even harder to beat people off the dribble because they don't stay that close to him.
So majority of his game is playing back to basket as ball handler. That's bad position to be. And unlike some Livingston, he does not have post game that would back down people or turn into mid range shoot-over.

On top of that his ballhandling is mediocre even for combo guard, let alone point guard. He is not very creative finisher around rim either
Because he can't beat people off the dribble he also can't break defense and by default he can't open lines nor make defense crack , so his playmaking isn't that great.

Most of his problems really aren't solvable. He flat out does not have shooter's touch nor have foot speed for standard PG. You can't "train " yourself into being Amen Thompson athlete with Jalen Brunson on ball processing & skillet and Steph Curry shooting.
You either have skills or don't.

Right now you have Castle, who also isn't much of a shooter, but you can see how different he looks because his ballhandling & dribble penetration are simply on much higher level, size vise they are similar, but Castle breaks down defense without much effort because he is shifty and has burst that Black flat out doesn't have. Castle also has bag of tricks that he uses to create space, where, once again, year older, with one more in nba Black simply does not have.

Black whole purpose on offense is to spot up as bad shooter and to surprise some foolish defender off a dribble by catching him on wrong foot or overpowering him at rim, in hope nobody will help. That's pretty much it. That's why his offensive numbers ( and advanced stats) are that poor. Situations on offense where he is useful are like 4 times in 50 possessions.



You just don't like that he is the next Kevin Johnson.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#422 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:41 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
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Because he probably is? I am willing to bet

- He crushes Cole, KCP, G Harris, Suggs or anyone else who plays the guard position on defense like its easy mode
- On offense, he can out dribble drive Cole, is more creative then KCP, hasn't disappeared like G Harris or Suggs

Suggs is about the only player who definitely can outmatch him with the starters in terms of offensive output.

What Black needs it seems based on his personality is confidence. He does NOT have that dawg in him as kids say. He needs to build his mojo and trust it more. That is hard, when you already are known as such a weak shooter in this modern NBA.


I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

When I was in HS, I could throw this football over that mountain.


Has it ever occurred to you that they sing his praises because he is legit better then Jett / KCP / Cole?

Similarly, you could say that what I am really saying is....that isn't saying much.


Beat me to it...although KCP is better than him. I'm actually pretty impressed with KCP's passing (which does NOT make him a PG)

I'm not here to bury AB...I do believe he helps some now and could help a lot more in the near future...If this if that & if this happens.
That makes him intriguing but doesn't make him a core player or anyone to bet big on or pay ahead for. I'd prefer to keep him than throw him into a trade package, but I woudn't think twice if he was really important to the other team AND it allowed us to hold back some other significant asset (say a frp). Here's how I see him...

-His defense is elite right now
-His personality seems great. He takes things hard, but that's a positive - if he can channel frustration better with experience
-His agility & size are an awesome advantage for a guard and he could even see time at SF in some lineups - which has value
-His ball handling and (developing?) court vision are very good for a non-PG...mediocre to bad for a real PG. I don't think this will change very significantly. As Pepe stated, certain basketball skills are more teachable (at this level) than others. I expect some refinement but I don't see him ever weaving thru traffic like Kyrie or delivering 6+ assists per game, even as a starter.
-His ability to go hard to the rim and finish through contact seems to be coming along - but it's not high-level (yet?). This could improve somewhat, but he's not turning into James Harden anytime.
-He's certainly capable of hitting spot up 3's and should continue to work hard on that to the point that there's no hesitation to take good shots with some confidence that they'll go in. If he just TOOK all of the open looks, he'd double his scoring average.
-He doesn't ever pull up off the dribble and he's in the NBA...that's concerning. I don't know how much this changes...floaters too
-He doesn't utilize his size on offense...I'd LOVE to see him develop just a couple of post-up moves to abuse smaller guards. This, imo, is very teachable and "develop-able" and should be worked on. He doesn't need to be Kevin McHale, just a couple of go-to's.
-he does NOT deserve a significant extension this summer...if he could be locked in at a rate commensurate to what he's shown - I'd love to lock him up for a 3+1TO, maybe at $10-12m per year...so, even if the mythical offense never shows up, he'll be tradable or keepable as a multi-position defensive specialist.

A lot of what I see and don't see could be attributed to a lack of confidence. That's pretty obvious but not a fair reason to project greatness will come with more experience...I support keeping him in a narrow role and leaning into it. Forget about the PG thing (at least for the foreseeable future) and put him in position to succeed. Add small elements (like a couple of post-ups when matchups scream for it). Have him grow steadily and methodically and expand his role when he shows he can manage it (NOT because he was #6 pick or because he's been ordained PGOTF). Unfortunately, he projects IMO to be a lot more likely to be redundant with KCP/Suggs/Harris than he is to be successful playing next to one of them as a PG. I'd be happy to see him take KCP's job for more upside at half the salary. I'd be very comfortable moving KCP out and giving KCP role to AB (I should add the KCP role, regardless of who it is, shouldn't be the same - we NEED a more offensive minded guard getting significant minutes, even if not as a starter).

...but, in any case, I'm absolutely looking for a PG/Combo Guard that's not on the roster today.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#423 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:42 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:You just don't like that he is the next Kevin Johnson.


That's a new one...almost as crazy as SGA. Actually, about the same - at least SGA is the same size. I don't think the Kevin Johnson I remember has ANY resemblance to AB...might as well be Wilt Chamberlain.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#424 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:54 pm

Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:You just don't like that he is the next Kevin Johnson.


That's a new one...almost as crazy as SGA. Actually, about the same - at least SGA is the same size. I don't think the Kevin Johnson I remember has ANY resemblance to AB...might as well be Wilt Chamberlain.


Well you said it first....
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#425 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:57 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:You just don't like that he is the next Kevin Johnson.


That's a new one...almost as crazy as SGA. Actually, about the same - at least SGA is the same size. I don't think the Kevin Johnson I remember has ANY resemblance to AB...might as well be Wilt Chamberlain.


Well you said it first....



kevin Johnson? not me...he's more Kevin Garnett, Kevin Love, Kevin McHale than KJ
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#426 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:00 pm

Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
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I bet he can fly too :roll: what is all of this based on? Just fantasizing until we see it.

When I was in HS, I could throw this football over that mountain.


Has it ever occurred to you that they sing his praises because he is legit better then Jett / KCP / Cole?

Similarly, you could say that what I am really saying is....that isn't saying much.


Beat me to it...although KCP is better than him. I'm actually pretty impressed with KCP's passing (which does NOT make him a PG)

I'm not here to bury AB...I do believe he helps some now and could help a lot more in the near future...If this if that & if this happens.
That makes him intriguing but doesn't make him a core player or anyone to bet big on or pay ahead for. I'd prefer to keep him than throw him into a trade package, but I woudn't think twice if he was really important to the other team AND it allowed us to hold back some other significant asset (say a frp). Here's how I see him...

-His defense is elite right now
-His personality seems great. He takes things hard, but that's a positive - if he can channel frustration better with experience
-His agility & size are an awesome advantage for a guard and he could even see time at SF in some lineups - which has value
-His ball handling and (developing?) court vision are very good for a non-PG...mediocre to bad for a real PG. I don't think this will change very significantly. As Pepe stated, certain basketball skills are more teachable (at this level) than others. I expect some refinement but I don't see him ever weaving thru traffic like Kyrie or delivering 6+ assists per game, even as a starter.
-His ability to go hard to the rim and finish through contact seems to be coming along - but it's not high-level (yet?). This could improve somewhat, but he's not turning into James Harden anytime.
-He's certainly capable of hitting spot up 3's and should continue to work hard on that to the point that there's no hesitation to take good shots with some confidence that they'll go in. If he just TOOK all of the open looks, he'd double his scoring average.
-He doesn't ever pull up off the dribble and he's in the NBA...that's concerning. I don't know how much this changes...floaters too
-He doesn't utilize his size on offense...I'd LOVE to see him develop just a couple of post-up moves to abuse smaller guards. This, imo, is very teachable and "develop-able" and should be worked on. He doesn't need to be Kevin McHale, just a couple of go-to's.
-he does NOT deserve a significant extension this summer...if he could be locked in at a rate commensurate to what he's shown - I'd love to lock him up for a 3+1TO, maybe at $10-12m per year...so, even if the mythical offense never shows up, he'll be tradable or keepable as a multi-position defensive specialist.

A lot of what I see and don't see could be attributed to a lack of confidence. That's pretty obvious but not a fair reason to project greatness will come with more experience...I support keeping him in a narrow role and leaning into it. Forget about the PG thing (at least for the foreseeable future) and put him in position to succeed. Add small elements (like a couple of post-ups when matchups scream for it). Have him grow steadily and methodically and expand his role when he shows he can manage it (NOT because he was #6 pick or because he's been ordained PGOTF). Unfortunately, he projects IMO to be a lot more likely to be redundant with KCP/Suggs/Harris than he is to be successful playing next to one of them as a PG. I'd be happy to see him take KCP's job for more upside at half the salary. I'd be very comfortable moving KCP out and giving KCP role to AB (I should add the KCP role, regardless of who it is, shouldn't be the same - we NEED a more offensive minded guard getting significant minutes, even if not as a starter).

...but, in any case, I'm absolutely looking for a PG/Combo Guard that's not on the roster today.


I see your assessment as basically his floor. He has a lot going for him and some very interesting intangibles. However he has missed several opportunities to rise up to the occasional and has been a miss. This really does rule out the potential elite level player I hoped he could be when he was showing flashes and still does show flashes.

Anyone can get hot, even no name scrubs. It's the ability to sustain, be adaptable, and yes elite even at what you do worst that really is becoming telling.

To me though, this heeps and heeps of praise I shower him with only cascades as a potential negative. Outside of Suggs we don't have a single guard capable of scoring 10ppg. That's obscene, and "not hard" to look better.

OT but on topic. Our offense is so predictable, we might as well be Tampa Bay back when we had Mike Alstott. The offense is boring stupid and dumb. Pound the ball up the middle until you wear your opponents defense out may have worked (sorta) in the NFL but that is legitimately the wrong sport for Paolo + Franz.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#427 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:13 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Has it ever occurred to you that they sing his praises because he is legit better then Jett / KCP / Cole?

Similarly, you could say that what I am really saying is....that isn't saying much.


Beat me to it...although KCP is better than him. I'm actually pretty impressed with KCP's passing (which does NOT make him a PG)

I'm not here to bury AB...I do believe he helps some now and could help a lot more in the near future...If this if that & if this happens.
That makes him intriguing but doesn't make him a core player or anyone to bet big on or pay ahead for. I'd prefer to keep him than throw him into a trade package, but I woudn't think twice if he was really important to the other team AND it allowed us to hold back some other significant asset (say a frp). Here's how I see him...

-His defense is elite right now
-His personality seems great. He takes things hard, but that's a positive - if he can channel frustration better with experience
-His agility & size are an awesome advantage for a guard and he could even see time at SF in some lineups - which has value
-His ball handling and (developing?) court vision are very good for a non-PG...mediocre to bad for a real PG. I don't think this will change very significantly. As Pepe stated, certain basketball skills are more teachable (at this level) than others. I expect some refinement but I don't see him ever weaving thru traffic like Kyrie or delivering 6+ assists per game, even as a starter.
-His ability to go hard to the rim and finish through contact seems to be coming along - but it's not high-level (yet?). This could improve somewhat, but he's not turning into James Harden anytime.
-He's certainly capable of hitting spot up 3's and should continue to work hard on that to the point that there's no hesitation to take good shots with some confidence that they'll go in. If he just TOOK all of the open looks, he'd double his scoring average.
-He doesn't ever pull up off the dribble and he's in the NBA...that's concerning. I don't know how much this changes...floaters too
-He doesn't utilize his size on offense...I'd LOVE to see him develop just a couple of post-up moves to abuse smaller guards. This, imo, is very teachable and "develop-able" and should be worked on. He doesn't need to be Kevin McHale, just a couple of go-to's.
-he does NOT deserve a significant extension this summer...if he could be locked in at a rate commensurate to what he's shown - I'd love to lock him up for a 3+1TO, maybe at $10-12m per year...so, even if the mythical offense never shows up, he'll be tradable or keepable as a multi-position defensive specialist.

A lot of what I see and don't see could be attributed to a lack of confidence. That's pretty obvious but not a fair reason to project greatness will come with more experience...I support keeping him in a narrow role and leaning into it. Forget about the PG thing (at least for the foreseeable future) and put him in position to succeed. Add small elements (like a couple of post-ups when matchups scream for it). Have him grow steadily and methodically and expand his role when he shows he can manage it (NOT because he was #6 pick or because he's been ordained PGOTF). Unfortunately, he projects IMO to be a lot more likely to be redundant with KCP/Suggs/Harris than he is to be successful playing next to one of them as a PG. I'd be happy to see him take KCP's job for more upside at half the salary. I'd be very comfortable moving KCP out and giving KCP role to AB (I should add the KCP role, regardless of who it is, shouldn't be the same - we NEED a more offensive minded guard getting significant minutes, even if not as a starter).

...but, in any case, I'm absolutely looking for a PG/Combo Guard that's not on the roster today.


I see your assessment as basically his floor. He has a lot going for him and some very interesting intangibles. However he has missed several opportunities to rise up to the occasional and has been a miss. This really does rule out the potential elite level player I hoped he could be when he was showing flashes and still does show flashes.

Anyone can get hot, even no name scrubs. It's the ability to sustain, be adaptable, and yes elite even at what you do worst that really is becoming telling.

To me though, this heeps and heeps of praise I shower him with only cascades as a potential negative. Outside of Suggs we don't have a single guard capable of scoring 10ppg. That's obscene, and "not hard" to look better.

OT but on topic. Our offense is so predictable, we might as well be Tampa Bay back when we had Mike Alstott. The offense is boring stupid and dumb. Pound the ball up the middle until you wear your opponents defense out may have worked (sorta) in the NFL but that is legitimately the wrong sport for Paolo + Franz.


Paolo has a lot of Alstott in his game. :lol:

We also score as many points as the Bucs did :evil:
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#428 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:57 pm

Skybox wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Beat me to it...although KCP is better than him. I'm actually pretty impressed with KCP's passing (which does NOT make him a PG)

I'm not here to bury AB...I do believe he helps some now and could help a lot more in the near future...If this if that & if this happens.
That makes him intriguing but doesn't make him a core player or anyone to bet big on or pay ahead for. I'd prefer to keep him than throw him into a trade package, but I woudn't think twice if he was really important to the other team AND it allowed us to hold back some other significant asset (say a frp). Here's how I see him...

-His defense is elite right now
-His personality seems great. He takes things hard, but that's a positive - if he can channel frustration better with experience
-His agility & size are an awesome advantage for a guard and he could even see time at SF in some lineups - which has value
-His ball handling and (developing?) court vision are very good for a non-PG...mediocre to bad for a real PG. I don't think this will change very significantly. As Pepe stated, certain basketball skills are more teachable (at this level) than others. I expect some refinement but I don't see him ever weaving thru traffic like Kyrie or delivering 6+ assists per game, even as a starter.
-His ability to go hard to the rim and finish through contact seems to be coming along - but it's not high-level (yet?). This could improve somewhat, but he's not turning into James Harden anytime.
-He's certainly capable of hitting spot up 3's and should continue to work hard on that to the point that there's no hesitation to take good shots with some confidence that they'll go in. If he just TOOK all of the open looks, he'd double his scoring average.
-He doesn't ever pull up off the dribble and he's in the NBA...that's concerning. I don't know how much this changes...floaters too
-He doesn't utilize his size on offense...I'd LOVE to see him develop just a couple of post-up moves to abuse smaller guards. This, imo, is very teachable and "develop-able" and should be worked on. He doesn't need to be Kevin McHale, just a couple of go-to's.
-he does NOT deserve a significant extension this summer...if he could be locked in at a rate commensurate to what he's shown - I'd love to lock him up for a 3+1TO, maybe at $10-12m per year...so, even if the mythical offense never shows up, he'll be tradable or keepable as a multi-position defensive specialist.

A lot of what I see and don't see could be attributed to a lack of confidence. That's pretty obvious but not a fair reason to project greatness will come with more experience...I support keeping him in a narrow role and leaning into it. Forget about the PG thing (at least for the foreseeable future) and put him in position to succeed. Add small elements (like a couple of post-ups when matchups scream for it). Have him grow steadily and methodically and expand his role when he shows he can manage it (NOT because he was #6 pick or because he's been ordained PGOTF). Unfortunately, he projects IMO to be a lot more likely to be redundant with KCP/Suggs/Harris than he is to be successful playing next to one of them as a PG. I'd be happy to see him take KCP's job for more upside at half the salary. I'd be very comfortable moving KCP out and giving KCP role to AB (I should add the KCP role, regardless of who it is, shouldn't be the same - we NEED a more offensive minded guard getting significant minutes, even if not as a starter).

...but, in any case, I'm absolutely looking for a PG/Combo Guard that's not on the roster today.


I see your assessment as basically his floor. He has a lot going for him and some very interesting intangibles. However he has missed several opportunities to rise up to the occasional and has been a miss. This really does rule out the potential elite level player I hoped he could be when he was showing flashes and still does show flashes.

Anyone can get hot, even no name scrubs. It's the ability to sustain, be adaptable, and yes elite even at what you do worst that really is becoming telling.

To me though, this heeps and heeps of praise I shower him with only cascades as a potential negative. Outside of Suggs we don't have a single guard capable of scoring 10ppg. That's obscene, and "not hard" to look better.

OT but on topic. Our offense is so predictable, we might as well be Tampa Bay back when we had Mike Alstott. The offense is boring stupid and dumb. Pound the ball up the middle until you wear your opponents defense out may have worked (sorta) in the NFL but that is legitimately the wrong sport for Paolo + Franz.


Paolo has a lot of Alstott in his game. :lol:

We also score as many points as the Bucs did :evil:


The more you think about it, the more that analogy just makes sense. lol.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#429 » by MasterGMer » Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:23 am

How bout tat AB tonight! 10 points, 2 steals and 2 blocks along with 2 rebs.

He looked much improved in couple possessions getting to the hoop and that is always I am watching. More assertive and more determined. He is improving. And I like his attitude.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#430 » by basketballRob » Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:45 am

Black is shooting 55/40/83 over the last 7 games. 65% TS. 11 ppg

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+black+ta%25+last+7+games

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#431 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:54 pm

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+black+ta%25+last+19+games

Good bounce back game from AB last night. His last 19 games he has avg 37% from 3.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#433 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:57 pm

He looked really silky releasing those 3's...credit where it's due. He needs to bully smaller guards on good teams too.

C'mon AB...plant your flag. Make KCP expendable (or, dare I say, Suggs). Suggs is insanely impactful defensively, but (apparently)AB's ratings are right there too...it just looks different. But he's big and versatile...and while AB has very limited trade value, Suggs & maybe even KCP could bring back something significant...not pushing for that or buying in (yet), but all options must be considered, particularly where contracts are factoring in.
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Skybox wrote:He looked really silky releasing those 3's...credit where it's due. He needs to bully smaller guards on good teams too.

C'mon AB...plant your flag. Make KCP expendable (or, dare I say, Suggs). Suggs is insanely impactful defensively, but (apparently)AB's ratings are right there too...it just looks different. But he's big and versatile...and while AB has very limited trade value, Suggs & maybe even KCP could bring back something significant...not pushing for that or buying in (yet), but all options must be considered, particularly where contracts are factoring in.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#435 » by JoshuaPotter » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:56 pm

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Skybox wrote:He looked really silky releasing those 3's...credit where it's due. He needs to bully smaller guards on good teams too.

C'mon AB...plant your flag. Make KCP expendable (or, dare I say, Suggs). Suggs is insanely impactful defensively, but (apparently)AB's ratings are right there too...it just looks different. But he's big and versatile...and while AB has very limited trade value, Suggs & maybe even KCP could bring back something significant...not pushing for that or buying in (yet), but all options must be considered, particularly where contracts are factoring in.
This narrative is inevitable and I applaud your bravery in picking it up.


Mosely said in last nights press conference that he has to become "the head of the snake" and to let his offense be fueled by his defense.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#436 » by basketballRob » Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:16 am

AB still has a lot of work to do, but his offense is slowly moving in the right direction.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#437 » by KillMonger » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:17 am

basketballRob wrote:AB still has a lot of work to do, but his offense is slowly moving in the right direction.

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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#438 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Feb 25, 2025 7:47 am

His offense isn't evolving (Stylistically you can even make a case for the opposite because he plays even less PG.)
He still only scores on catch and shoot 3s, fastbreaks and attacking bad unorganized defenses. Even against the joke of a defense from Washington he wasn't able to break the defense down in the half court and stand still situation. It's great that he shoots better but that doesn't change, that his player type will never solve our problems even in his best case scenario. If he becomes a good player it's great but it's just a bonus and not a solution for our backcourt troubles.
The narrative that Suggs is replacable by him is wrong too. As much weaknesses Jalen has on offense, he still brings stuff no other guard can, including AB. He can break down defenses, because despite his bad ballhandling he is explosive enough to break the defense. AB can't do that and never will, because you can't learn speed like you can't learn height.

This is all from the point of view of whether he can be the solution to our PG problem. As a 3rd guard or if he at least becomes a solid 3 shooter, he can of course be a good combo guard next to a PG but he will never solve our PG problems. A backcourt of him and Suggs will never work long time because of to many overlapping problems. Because of that, there is no reason to wait for AB's development getting a real PG.
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#439 » by KillMonger » Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:45 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:His offense isn't evolving (Stylistically you can even make a case for the opposite because he plays even less PG.)
He still only scores on catch and shoot 3s, fastbreaks and attacking bad unorganized defenses. Even against the joke of a defense from Washington he wasn't able to break the defense down in the half court and stand still situation. It's great that he shoots better but that doesn't change, that his player type will never solve our problems even in his best case scenario. If he becomes a good player it's great but it's just a bonus and not a solution for our backcourt troubles.
The narrative that Suggs is replacable by him is wrong too. As much weaknesses Jalen has on offense, he still brings stuff no other guard can, including AB. He can break down defenses, because despite his bad ballhandling he is explosive enough to break the defense. AB can't do that and never will, because you can't learn speed like you can't learn height.

This is all from the point of view of whether he can be the solution to our PG problem. As a 3rd guard or if he at least becomes a solid 3 shooter, he can of course be a good combo guard next to a PG but he will never solve our PG problems. A backcourt of him and Suggs will never work long time because of to many overlapping problems. Because of that, there is no reason to wait for AB's development getting a real PG.

what kind of a PG are you looking for because a ball dominant PG would never work for this team
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Re: How bout that AB! 

Post#440 » by basketballRob » Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:03 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:His offense isn't evolving (Stylistically you can even make a case for the opposite because he plays even less PG.)
He still only scores on catch and shoot 3s, fastbreaks and attacking bad unorganized defenses. Even against the joke of a defense from Washington he wasn't able to break the defense down in the half court and stand still situation. It's great that he shoots better but that doesn't change, that his player type will never solve our problems even in his best case scenario. If he becomes a good player it's great but it's just a bonus and not a solution for our backcourt troubles.
The narrative that Suggs is replacable by him is wrong too. As much weaknesses Jalen has on offense, he still brings stuff no other guard can, including AB. He can break down defenses, because despite his bad ballhandling he is explosive enough to break the defense. AB can't do that and never will, because you can't learn speed like you can't learn height.

This is all from the point of view of whether he can be the solution to our PG problem. As a 3rd guard or if he at least becomes a solid 3 shooter, he can of course be a good combo guard next to a PG but he will never solve our PG problems. A backcourt of him and Suggs will never work long time because of to many overlapping problems. Because of that, there is no reason to wait for AB's development getting a real PG.
Black defers to Paolo and Franz because that's the dynamic of the team. I have noticed ABs handle has improved. I also like that he's become a good passer with his left hand.

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