Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[CarraT]

…because AB and JI are terrible offensive players..

Finally. Something I’m agreeing with you.

[eyriq]

…because AB and JI are terrible offensive players..

Finally. Something I’m agreeing with you.

I've never doubted you

[The-Stallion70]

Eventually Anthony Black will beat out Suggs as our starting point guard and we'll be able to trade Suggs for a bonafide 3rd option at shooting guard.

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

[uraverage]

Eventually Anthony Black will beat out Suggs as our starting point guard and we'll be able to trade Suggs for a bonafide 3rd option at shooting guard.

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Can we please pass that to the left hand side.

[eyriq]

Eventually Anthony Black will beat out Suggs as our starting point guard and we'll be able to trade Suggs for a bonafide 3rd option at shooting guard.

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

[RookieStar]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

Bro.......

I think the losing streak made you snap.

Medic! Medic!

[MasterGMer]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

Oh bro, are you serious?

[eyriq]

AB vs Suggs was inevitable. Least favorite lottery selection in years overtaking a fan favorite is a narrative not for the faint of heart. I've been molded over the past two seasons to bear this burden.

[OrlandoDream]

Keeping AB and trading Suggs would be something Rob Hennigan would do. We don't have a top 3 defense without Suggs. He is so important to our long term success. AB is like above-average Michael Carter WIlliams. Cmon now

[thelead]

AB vs Suggs was inevitable. Least favorite lottery selection in years overtaking a fan favorite is a narrative not for the faint of heart. I've been molded over the past two seasons to bear this burden.

Not sure why you think it's one or the other when you yourself claim that AB is the better playmaker/PG and Suggs is a better SG...
Also, KCP will be 34 (and no longer under contract) by the time you claim AB will be ready to take over the starting PG spot while Suggs will be 25.

[RookieStar]

eyriq, it has been said that opposing guards despair and get irritated when they see Suggs at the defensive line waiting for them. No one can say that towards AB.

Some guys just have that dawg in them. Awoof.

[GelbeWand09]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

If AB doesn't learn to shoot at solid volume he won't be a longtime starting PG for any team except maybe tankers/rebuilding teams taking a flyer at him like we did with Fultz. There is a legit world where he is a better Dante Exum (tall PG who couldn't shoot, finish and had mediocre ballhandling but great defense) and ends up as a Def. Roleplayer changing between guard and sf defensive roles.

[ogmagicfan]

Coby White has been reported to be on the trade block

Magic: Jett Howard, Gary Harris, Den 1st or 2 2nds

Bulls: Coby White

Bulls get one of their picks back, an expiring contract and draft capital

Magic get a player whose pretty solid from 3 at volume for a good value for 1 & 1/2 seasons until he's due for a contract extension.

I'm not convinced that he is a point guard in the NBA so he might end up taking Cole's role as the 6th man

[eyriq]

AB vs Suggs was inevitable. Least favorite lottery selection in years overtaking a fan favorite is a narrative not for the faint of heart. I've been molded over the past two seasons to bear this burden.

Not sure why you think it's one or the other when you yourself claim that AB is the better playmaker/PG and Suggs is a better SG...
Also, KCP will be 34 (and no longer under contract) by the time you claim AB will be ready to take over the starting PG spot while Suggs will be 25.

It could very well be both. A defense first backcourt where both can serve as a playmaking relief valve with spot-up shooting is a proven build. Just look at White/Jrue.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

If AB doesn't learn to shoot at solid volume he won't be a longtime starting PG for any team except maybe tankers/rebuilding teams taking a flyer at him like we did with Fultz. There is a legit world where he is a better Dante Exum (tall PG who couldn't shoot, finish and had mediocre ballhandling but great defense) and ends up as a Def. Roleplayer changing between guard and sf defensive roles.

I
Damn that’s good comp Dante Exum.. wow just looking at stats and damn near identical, for now.

[The-Stallion70]

Exum had talent he was just fragile and kept getting hurt. He needed to develop physically to take advantage of his talent but he never did and so he was another player who never reached his potential. In high school he looked like a 6-6" Tony Parker.

Smart was less innately talented but physically imposing so he had a higher floor. He also ended up in Boston one of the best orgs.

Black is closer to Smart than Exum if you ask me. Black is kind of all over the place, he lacks offensive skills and instincts that kind of run today's game. He looks like me like he's trying to develop those instincts in game but the NBA is not the best place for it.

[OrlChamps2030]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

Is this some kind of ChatGPT engagement farming?

It seems like AB should prove himself as a starter before we discuss him replacing a core piece

[Skybox]

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

If AB doesn't learn to shoot at solid volume he won't be a longtime starting PG for any team except maybe tankers/rebuilding teams taking a flyer at him like we did with Fultz. There is a legit world where he is a better Dante Exum (tall PG who couldn't shoot, finish and had mediocre ballhandling but great defense) and ends up as a Def. Roleplayer changing between guard and sf defensive roles.

I
Damn that’s good comp Dante Exum.. wow just looking at stats and damn near identical, for now.

It's certainly more reality-based than SGA, Derrick White, Jrue Holiday

[Skybox]

I'm trying to look at trade options with teams looking to rebuild that 1) give us the guard we desperately need and 2) give us a serviceable big man that can help out without too much of a financial obligation.

Here's one:

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, ORL 25 frp (top 8 protected)
CHI sends: Coby White, Jalen Smith

* I would add a couple of srps if GM's feel that Coby's value warrants it, also I believe Cole's deal is a slight negative, so rather than sub in expirings, I'd prefer to add draft equity to get Cole's deal off of the books...I also see Cole even farther out of the rotation post-trade, so it'd be the kindest thing for him - to send him to a building team and a fresh start.

Less enthusiastically, but I'd do it...

ORL sends Cole Anthony, Anthony Black, DEN 25 frp

*CHI could be enamored with a long, complementary Giddey/AB backcourt growing together. The draft equity declines accordingly as AB, imo, has much more value than Jett presently does.

Much less exciting stopgap version...

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Jett Howard, Gary Harris
CHI sends: Lonzo Ball, Jalen Smith

*Lonzo is really really good and mostly it shows in overall team improvement, but the injury history is right there with Isaac AND he's an expiring (which may not be a bad thing). He might REALLY click with our young core in need of leadership, floor spreading and elite court vision. Great example for AB...another large, good defender, selective 3pt shooting, high BBIQ, PG. Even if he leaves or we choose not to try to re-sign him, we get off a lot more salary and add a young, versatile, frontcourt rotation guy in Jalen Smith.

[eyriq]

Bruddah let me get a hit of that ASAP

Trend 1: declining player value

Alright, hear me out. Suggs had a rocky start to his career. He was taken ahead of Franz but Franz clearly passed him in the pecking order.

Trend 2: Not being built around

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

Trend 3: Pressure to expand his game

He gains his footing, develops into an amazing defender with a spot-up three and some ability to be a playmaker. The team signs KCP who is an amazing defender with a spot-up three, forcing Suggs to lean into his playmaking.

Trend 4: Team is clearing a path for AB

AB is showing better playmaking with similar defense, and is being handed the keys to the second unit after Fultz and Ingles are released.

Trend 5: The team kept enough flexibility to upgrade their 3rd option.

Suggs is injured all the time and is now missing significant time again. He's paid 3rd option money and still needs to prove he can develop into a reliable 3rd option. His deal is declining to bring his cap hit down to a range that puts him as an affordable 3rd option/expensive 4th option.



There is a legit world where he is our Marcus Smart and is traded for that missing piece down the road. I'm thinking 2028 and beyond, once AB's second contract comes due.

Is this some kind of ChatGPT engagement farming?

It seems like AB should prove himself as a starter before we discuss him replacing a core piece

What part of the analysis don't you agree with? Are any of those trends inaccurate.

I'm being compared to soul and AI lately, my ego is being caressed.