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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#421 » by zaymon » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:42 am

To me the most logical solution is to get veteran point guard in free agency and center/forward in the draft.
It makes little sense to not give Jett some minutes with real nba players before we move him for nothing. He is still 6'7 and very good shooter. We really want to do the "Aaron Nesmith" just as he excels in the nba finals after first two abysmal seasons ?
I would be very cautious to trade for more injury prone players just as we moved our own picks.
We also need to remember guy like WCJ will make a lot more sense with Bane. Bane is great at hand offs and thats one of WCJ biggest strengths which was subdued bu our roster constraction (no guards who could take advantage of it). We can get more rim protection in the draft.
I would focus on veteran point guard in free agency or trade.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#422 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:42 am

Nets will need to take s*** loud of salary to even fill salary floor. They will be like $70M below cap floor.
But because of it, they will also be FA player. They can pretty much overpay everybody.
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Post#423 » by basketballRob » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:47 am

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drsd wrote:
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Clayton at 25 and full MLE on Alexander-Walker?


Orlando is already 25M over the lux-tax line. This means the Magic is to spend 210M on salary this year already.

I cannot believe the Magic will go over the 1st apron. To get Alexander-Walker on an MLE, Orlando would need to shed 5.1M of salary somewhere else.
Obviously restructuring M-Wagner's contract is the easiest, but that seems to large a drop annually.

p.s. Howard makes 5.5M of dead-weight. Trading him for a 2nd-round pick, coupled to a trim of M-Wagner's contract, the Magic can use the MLE and stay under the 1st apron.

As I suggested earlier, trading Jett and 25 to Brooklyn for 19 makes the most sense to me. Clears some cap space for us, likely secures Clayton, and gets Jett to his dad.
I think Jett has negative value. Maybe we could just waive him and spread his contract over many years.

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Post#424 » by drsd » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:56 am

basketballRob wrote:As I suggested earlier, trading Jett and 25 to Brooklyn for 19 makes the most sense to me. Clears some cap space for us, likely secures Clayton, and gets Jett to his dad.
I think Jett has negative value. Maybe we could just waive him and spread his contract over many years.[/quote]

The Stretch Provision is in the new CBA. But I would be SHOCKED if Weltman was simply to waive Howard.

Something like da SIlva and Howard in a SnT for Ziaire Williams is more likely, in my opinion.
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Post#425 » by drsd » Thu Jun 19, 2025 7:58 am

pepe1991 wrote:Nets will need to take s*** loud of salary to even fill salary floor. They will be like $70M below cap floor.
But because of it, they will also be FA player. They can pretty much overpay everybody.


It is hilarous that the Magic is already 55M over the cap. And 25M over the lux-tax line.
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Post#426 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:11 am

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Nets will need to take s*** loud of salary to even fill salary floor. They will be like $70M below cap floor.
But because of it, they will also be FA player. They can pretty much overpay everybody.


It is hilarous that the Magic is already 55M over the cap. And 25M over the lux-tax line.


Right now $190M bil, with Moe's team option.

So it's not THAT bad.
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Post#427 » by drsd » Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:26 am

pepe1991 wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Nets will need to take s*** loud of salary to even fill salary floor. They will be like $70M below cap floor.
But because of it, they will also be FA player. They can pretty much overpay everybody.


It is hilarous that the Magic is already 55M over the cap. And 25M over the lux-tax line.


Right now $190M bil, with Moe's team option.

So it's not THAT bad.


CLoser to 193 :wink:

The Devos family is spending 210M of their money so we can enjoy basketball. That's great news!
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Post#428 » by drsd » Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:43 am

Redick07 wrote:
drsd wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Clayton at 25 and full MLE on Alexander-Walker?


Orlando is already 25M over the lux-tax line. This means the Magic is to spend 210M on salary this year already.

I cannot believe the Magic will go over the 1st apron. To get Alexander-Walker on an MLE, Orlando would need to shed 5.1M of salary somewhere else.
Obviously restructuring M-Wagner's contract is the easiest, but that seems to large a drop annually.

p.s. Howard makes 5.5M of dead-weight. Trading him for a 2nd-round pick, coupled to a trim of M-Wagner's contract, the Magic can use the MLE and stay under the 1st apron.


Could you please show me how you get this “210m”? Cuz the formation I found in several websites show that our cap will be approximately 190m after 7/1 without using MLE.

WCJ(11m) / Goga(8.3m) / MoW(9m, re-sign)
Paolo(15.3m) / Isaac(15m)
Franz(38.6m) / TDS(3.8m)
Bane(36.7m) / #25(3.5m) / Jett(5.5m)
Suggs(35m) / Black (8m)

Total 190m. With using MLE, it might be 203m, not 210m.

*I agree that we should get rid of Jett’s contract


If the Magic gets to 190M in salary, there will be a 20M tax paid on that, and thus Devos family spends 210M for a 190 roster.

Actually, as the Magic is more likely to land at 195M in salary, it is actually 220M in final payroll costs :o
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#429 » by thelead » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:33 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
thelead wrote:
drsd wrote:
Orlando is already 25M over the lux-tax line. This means the Magic is to spend 210M on salary this year already.

I cannot believe the Magic will go over the 1st apron. To get Alexander-Walker on an MLE, Orlando would need to shed 5.1M of salary somewhere else.
Obviously restructuring M-Wagner's contract is the easiest, but that seems to large a drop annually.

p.s. Howard makes 5.5M of dead-weight. Trading him for a 2nd-round pick, coupled to a trim of M-Wagner's contract, the Magic can use the MLE and stay under the 1st apron.

As I suggested earlier, trading Jett and 25 to Brooklyn for 19 makes the most sense to me. Clears some cap space for us, likely secures Clayton, and gets Jett to his dad.


Would you take such deal if you are Nets?
Losing 6 spots in a draft just to collect player that is pretty much expensive (for a rookie) 22 y.o. player with little nba experience, who sucked for two years in nba?

Net's might do you a favor and give you 26 or 27 pick for 25th pick just to collect $5M of dead cap in Jett tho.

Like, if you send Jett in 2025 draft, he is not being picked in first round for sure, maybe not even in second.

If i'm nba team i would rather swing for some Tamar Bates late in first or in second round than take Jett. If for nothing else, he will be cheaper and with longer (cheap) deal.

It’s possible that you are correct. I’d bank on Juwan getting them to do the deal. I would throw in a 2nd rd pick if needed too. We’re not going to use both and rd picks anyway.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#430 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:38 pm

If Orlando could be guaranteed 1 of Clayton/Fleming/Raynaud with the #27 I think you do this trade without any hesitation. These seems like a no brainer for both teams. I would even add #57 if they had any interest in that.

#25 for Jett Howard/#27
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Post#431 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:45 pm

How much do we think Brogdan will get this summer? He had such a bad year. I maybe would want something more reliable. Do we think he might fall below MLE? I don’t know I feel like this team just needs a rafer Alston to come off the bench and we’re ready to rock and roll.
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Post#432 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:55 pm

drsd wrote:
CLoser to 193 :wink:

The Devos family is spending 210M of their money so we can enjoy basketball. That's great news!


Other than going back to when they MAYBE tried to low ball Shaq. The ownership has put their money where their mouth is when we are sniffing a winner. It isn’t like OKC with Durant Westbrook and Harden or other teams that have balked at that. I know we all hate going to Knicks, Miami, or Boston games and watching all the opposing fans but those opposing fans do pay a pretty penny for those tickets. Being such a tourism town gives us more resources in terms of revenue than your standard small market team.
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Post#433 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:56 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:How much do we think Brogdan will get this summer? He had such a bad year. I maybe would want something more reliable. Do we think he might fall below MLE? I don’t know I feel like this team just needs a rafer Alston to come off the bench and we’re ready to rock and roll.


I think he’s going to sign for much less than people think.

Feels like he’s a veteran minimum or taxpayer midlevel on a title contender kind of signing.
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Post#434 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:06 pm

Knightro wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:How much do we think Brogdan will get this summer? He had such a bad year. I maybe would want something more reliable. Do we think he might fall below MLE? I don’t know I feel like this team just needs a rafer Alston to come off the bench and we’re ready to rock and roll.


I think he’s going to sign for much less than people think.

Feels like he’s a veteran minimum or taxpayer midlevel on a title contender kind of signing.


The guy has completely slipped off of the radar...why didn't WAS move him for srps at least? I'm wondering if there's a real injury situation. Why just let him expire - he's a really good player.

Also, some guys might just hang it up rather than explore the vet min thing -especially if injuries have been an issue...you start to think about being able to do things with your family vs limping around for the rest of your life...I'm speculating but his lack of press is odd as he really is a good player.
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Post#435 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:21 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:How much do we think Brogdan will get this summer? He had such a bad year. I maybe would want something more reliable. Do we think he might fall below MLE? I don’t know I feel like this team just needs a rafer Alston to come off the bench and we’re ready to rock and roll.


Vet min. to build value.

Availability is the best ability. Dude just can’t stay on the floor.
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Post#436 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:46 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:How much do we think Brogdan will get this summer? He had such a bad year. I maybe would want something more reliable. Do we think he might fall below MLE? I don’t know I feel like this team just needs a rafer Alston to come off the bench and we’re ready to rock and roll.


Vet min. to build value.

Availability is the best ability. Dude just can’t stay on the floor.

If it’s vet minimum then **** I don’t see a downside in signing him especially if he wants just a one year prove it deal. Idk they probably have someone in mind though.
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Post#437 » by thelead » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:53 pm

Brogdon will not get much more, if anything, over the vet minimum. Now that we’re ‘all in’, he kind of scares me due to his inability to stay healthy. I wouldn’t mind adding him though… just might need one more vet minimum PG in addition to him.
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Post#438 » by Knightro » Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:58 pm

Brogdon's vet minimum is $3,634,148 as a 10th year player.

So really not that much less than the taxpayer mid level.

I'd expect a bevy of contenders to be interested.
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Post#439 » by basketballRob » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:00 pm

The Cavs are interested in Brogdon.

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Post#440 » by OrlandoMagic » Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:55 pm

Personally I think we should try and trade all of our centers for whatever picks and veterans we can get at other positions. Sign a cheap big to start. It’s clear the center position for us has easily become the 5th option.

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