Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014)

BadMofoPimp · Post #441 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:21 pm

recko321 wrote:Anyone see Tobias' instagram picture of him working out with KOQ, Moe AND Ben Gordon. What a terrible teammate Gordon is.

Just wait until Ben gets a couple DNP's then you will see the real Ben Gordon. Anybody can at least try to be a good teammate after joining a team in the beginning.

Optimus_Steel · Post #442 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:22 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Marc Gasol - Yes
Andre Drummond - At this stage it's close.
Joakim Noah - Yes
Dwight Howard - Yes
Al Horford - Yes, but more a PF forced to be an undersized C.
Pau Gasol - At this stage it's questionable.
Jefferson - Yes
Duncan - Yes
Hibbert - Honestly, no, don't think so.
Cousins - Yes
Pekovic - Questionable

when someone has been playing center for 6 years, can we stop saying he is a PF? And Pekovic is questionable over Vucci? Can you explain why?

Lets see: Vuc is younger, better rebounder, better passer, better FT shooter, better defender.

Optimus_Steel · Post #443 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:24 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Wow Charlotte makes a max offer to Hayward. Everyone is getting paid this summer. Everyone. That's why I am done saying "well he is overpaid' or "they are overpaying". If thats what the market is saying then thats what the market says.

Gotta overpay to get restricted FAs or get players to join a losing team.

They guy shot 41% and 30% from 3. Its not like he is a rookie either. I am done saying people are overpaid. If a team wants to pay them that then thats what they are worth.

thelead · Post #444 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:34 pm

Tobias will be grinning from ear to ear after he hears what Gordon just got paid.

Nyce_1 · Post #445 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:36 pm

Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

Driguez · Post #446 » by **Driguez** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:44 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

Yep... And I'm about to reopen my FB account to terrorize all the Heat "fans" if LeBron indeed goes back home. :lol:

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Post #447 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:45 pm

thelead wrote:Tobias will be grinning from ear to ear after he hears what Gordon just got paid.

Man, if Harris and/or Vucevic go balls to the wall this season, we could be looking at matching max deals for both those guys.

Optimus_Steel · Post #448 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:47 pm

Driguez wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

Yep... And I'm about to reopen my FB account to terrorize all the Heat "fans" if LeBron indeed goes back home.

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I think its hilarious that some people are saying "I cant believe Lebron is gonna do the same thing to Miami that he did to Cleveland". Its not even on the same planet lmao.

Post #449 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:48 pm

Driguez wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

Yep... And I'm about to reopen my FB account to terrorize all the Heat "fans" if LeBron indeed goes back home.

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TBH, I'd actually be more fearful of LeBron in Cleveland than LeBron in Miami. That team is younger with higher upside and can extenuate LeBron's career. BUT, I'll give anything to see the mass exodus of Heat "fans" out of our state.

thelead · Post #450 » by **thelead** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:49 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

the way it should be

Post #451 » by **Howard Mass** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:52 pm

That Jarrett Jack trade is the nail in the coffin for Miami.

It reminds me of when The Lakers dumped Anthony Peeler and George Lynch for more capspace to sign Shaq back in 1996.

Cleveland could very well be the favorite in The East now with Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson and other young talent that they could move for more veteran pieces.

Post #452 » by **SOUL** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:53 pm

CAN'T STAND THE CAVS. Almost rather Miami have Lebron lol

tiderulz · Post #453 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:53 pm

magicsanta wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

He said 'true center', which leaves out Pau Gasol, Al Horford, Cousins, arguably Duncan and maybe even Jefferson. Also, I'd take Vucevic over Hibbert and Pekovic. I think the level of PFs in the league is so much better than centers, as a group, that the former end up playing out of position.

whats a true center? Jefferson, Duncan, Horford, Gasol have been playing center now for years. and Gasol was a center until they paired him with Bynum.

tiderulz · Post #454 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:56 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Big Boss wrote:Vuc is most certainly a top 10 center right now, true center that is. Plus the numbers say that defensively vuc is solid so I'm not sure he needs to make "big time gains" on the defensive side. All he needs is just a decent improvement and he'll be fine. Don't understand how people can think vuc is a bad defender.

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Marc Gasol
Andre Drummond
Joakim Noah
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Pau Gasol
Jefferson
Duncan
Hibbert
Cousins
Pekovic

all currently better than Vucci.

Vooch >>>>>> Pekovic. Not so sure on Pau anymore as he is past his prime while Vooch is so young and growing that I think he will surpass half those guys in the next year or two.

not saying future, saying right now. And Pekovic is better offensively inside than Vucci. shoots a higher %, shoots FT better, rebounds less but he is fighting rebounds with the ultimate stat stuffer Kevin Love, who is Vucci fighting rebound with? Pau right now is a better offensively by far, passer and defender than Vucci. Not talking about who is the better choice going forward in the future, but right now

Why cant people talk critical about our own players? i like Vucci, but he still needs work.

Orlando Tragic · Post #455 » by **Orlando Tragic** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:57 pm

Howard Mass wrote:That Jarrett Jack trade is the nail in the coffin for Miami.

It reminds me of when The Lakers dumped Anthony Peeler and George Lynch for more capspace to sign Shaq back in 1996.

Cleveland could very well be the favorite in The East now with Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson and other young talent that they could move for more veteran pieces.

Doesn’t matter to me..don’t like either. Plus probably sends Bosh to Houston to play with DH.

BadMofoPimp · Post #456 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:59 pm

I would feel very sorry for Lebron if he went back to Cleveland to get knocked out of the playoffs the next few seasons. They are a far cry from a contender even with Lebron.

Henny · Post #457 » by **Henny** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:00 pm

Varejao is too injury prone. We should ship them Vuc for Wiggins.

tiderulz · Post #458 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:00 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
tiderulz wrote:when someone has been playing center for 6 years, can we stop saying he is a PF? And Pekovic is questionable over Vucci? Can you explain why?

Lets see: Vuc is younger, better rebounder, better passer, better FT shooter, better defender.

Vuc is not a better FT shooter, doesnt have the inside game Pekovic does, not sure if he is the better rebounder as Vucci isnt fighting Kevin Love for rebounds. and younger doesnt mean better.

Optimus_Steel · Post #459 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
tiderulz wrote:when someone has been playing center for 6 years, can we stop saying he is a PF? And Pekovic is questionable over Vucci? Can you explain why?

Lets see: Vuc is younger, better rebounder, better passer, better FT shooter, better defender.

Vuc is not a better FT shooter, doesnt have the inside game Pekovic does, not sure if he is the better rebounder as Vucci isnt fighting Kevin Love for rebounds. and younger doesnt mean better.

Vuc is right now an overall better player and that will be clearly shown this season.

Optimus_Steel · Post #460 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Wed Jul 9, 2014 3:10 pm

thelead wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Magic about to be the best NBA team in florida....

the way it should be

The way this is going, Miami is going from the Finals dismantling to the lottery in just a couple of weeks.