Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[RookieStar]

What do you guys think our FO will do regarding AG and Evan?

But anyhoo..

PG Fultz
SG ( hopefully guy we get from AG/Evan)
SF Cade
PF JI
C Vuc

Or

PG Cole
SG Fultz
SF Kuminga
PF JI
C. VUC

Or

PG Fultz
SG Suggs
SF. Chuma? Or a guy we get from evan/ag
PF. JI
C. Vuc

I dunno...

[Knightro]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

This will probably change a bunch between now and the draft, but as of now in terms of pure talent (not necessarily fit with the Magic) I'd rank them...

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

There's are few guys that I really like outside of the commonly accepted top 5 as well.

Sharife Cooper is tiny, but his combination of speed, ball handling and passing is absolutely top notch. I'm all for picking guys with at least one super elite skill they can lean on and letting them figure out the rest later. Cooper's playmaking is exactly that.

He isn't a great fit for the existing Magic roster, but Scottie Barnes is going to be a fantastic player for somebody. Tremendous instincts and real guard-like skill on both ends of the floor, only on an athletic 6'9" frame. If he had Cade's shooting, I think he'd be the No. 1 pick.

Butler is ready to play 25 competent minutes a night in the NBA right now. Baylor has been absolutely awesome this year and he's been their best guy. He's a junior, but he's still only be 20 years old on draft night (he's 3 months younger than Cole Anthony), so I don't think he's as low upside as a typical junior.

[MagicFan101]

What do you guys think our FO will do regarding AG and Evan?

But anyhoo..

PG Fultz
SG ( hopefully guy we get from AG/Evan)
SF Cade
PF JI
C Vuc

Or

PG Cole
SG Fultz
SF Kuminga
PF JI
C. VUC

Or

PG Fultz
SG Suggs
SF. Chuma? Or a guy we get from evan/ag
PF. JI
C. Vuc

I dunno...

I would give up on expecting a starter in return for Evan/AG.

I’m expecting Evan to simply walk.

AG will likely ride out the season and be traded next year once Isaac is back or quickly in the offseason if we take Kuminga. I would expect us to grab a decent vet role players on the bench for him.

Set those expectations and your disappointment will be less when reality hits.

——————————————————————-

Suggs) I really do like the idea of Isaac and Chuma at the forward spots long term with an ELITE lead guard like Suggs. This makes Fultz the odd man out for me. I would look to trade Fultz.

Cade) This is my favorite scenario. He is really a 6’8 PG/SG. I would put him next to Fultz in the backcourt and play an ultra big lineup with Isaac, Chuma and Vuc.

Green) You didn’t mention this option which is the easiest to fit into our roster. He simply steps right into Evan’s spot as an ultra long term upgrade.

Kuminga) We have to move AG. He looks great. Can he play with Isaac? I believe so. He seems to be multitalented. Cole-Ross-Chuma-Bama would make for a really nice 2nd unit.

[MagicFan101]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

This will probably change a bunch between now and the draft, but as of now in terms of pure talent (not necessarily fit with the Magic) I'd rank them...

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

There's are few guys that I really like outside of the commonly accepted top 5 as well.

Sharife Cooper is tiny, but his combination of speed, ball handling and passing is absolutely top notch. I'm all for picking guys with at least one super elite skill they can lean on and letting them figure out the rest later. Cooper's playmaking is exactly that.

He isn't a great fit for the existing Magic roster, but Scottie Barnes is going to be a fantastic player for somebody. Tremendous instincts and real guard-like skill on both ends of the floor, only on an athletic 6'9" frame. If he had Cade's shooting, I think he'd be the No. 1 pick.

Butler is ready to play 25 competent minutes a night in the NBA right now. Baylor has been absolutely awesome this year and he's been their best guy. He's a junior, but he's still only be 20 years old on draft night (he's 3 months younger than Cole Anthony), so I don't think he's as low upside as a typical junior.

I have been watching Barnes very closely as I watch all FSU games.

He is a special talent. I fully understand why he is a top 6-10 prospect in this prized class.

Still, you just can’t count on his shooting and I don’t see that changing. We have over a 40% chance of falling out of the top 5. If that happens I’m open to Barnes but I just can’t bring myself to include him into the same class as common 5.

[RookieStar]

What do you guys think our FO will do regarding AG and Evan?

But anyhoo..

PG Fultz
SG ( hopefully guy we get from AG/Evan)
SF Cade
PF JI
C Vuc

Or

PG Cole
SG Fultz
SF Kuminga
PF JI
C. VUC

Or

PG Fultz
SG Suggs
SF. Chuma? Or a guy we get from evan/ag
PF. JI
C. Vuc

I dunno...

I would give up on expecting a starter in return for Evan/AG.

I’m expecting Evan to simply walk.

AG will likely ride out the season and be traded next year once Isaac is back or quickly in the offseason if we take Kuminga. I would expect us to grab a decent vet role players on the bench for him.

Set those expectations and your disappointment will be less when reality hits.

——————————————————————-

Suggs) I really do like the idea of Isaac and Chuma at the forward spots long term with an ELITE lead guard like Suggs. This makes Fultz the odd man out for me. I would look to trade Fultz.

Cade) This is my favorite scenario. He is really a 6’8 PG/SG. I would put him next to Fultz in the backcourt and play an ultra big lineup with Isaac, Chuma and Vuc.

Green) You didn’t mention this option which is the easiest to fit into our roster. He simply steps right into Evan’s spot as an ultra long term upgrade.

Kuminga) We have to move AG. He looks great. Can he play with Isaac? I believe so. He seems to be multitalented. Cole-Ross-Chuma-Bama would make for a really nice 2nd unit.

I forgot about Green. But yeah... we need a starting level SF if we do get one of green/suggs. I dunno if Okeke is that yet but so far he is trendong towards there.

Yup Cade is the answer to all our needs. Size strength offense and defense.

I just hope that if we ever land Kuminga, pairing him with JI wont be as underwhelming when we did with AG.

[RookieStar]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

This will probably change a bunch between now and the draft, but as of now in terms of pure talent (not necessarily fit with the Magic) I'd rank them...

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

There's are few guys that I really like outside of the commonly accepted top 5 as well.

Sharife Cooper is tiny, but his combination of speed, ball handling and passing is absolutely top notch. I'm all for picking guys with at least one super elite skill they can lean on and letting them figure out the rest later. Cooper's playmaking is exactly that.

He isn't a great fit for the existing Magic roster, but Scottie Barnes is going to be a fantastic player for somebody. Tremendous instincts and real guard-like skill on both ends of the floor, only on an athletic 6'9" frame. If he had Cade's shooting, I think he'd be the No. 1 pick.

Butler is ready to play 25 competent minutes a night in the NBA right now. Baylor has been absolutely awesome this year and he's been their best guy. He's a junior, but he's still only be 20 years old on draft night (he's 3 months younger than Cole Anthony), so I don't think he's as low upside as a typical junior.

Its your list and everyone is entitled for theirs but are you saying in terms of talent you didnt find a place is in the 6-10 range for johnson moody and bouknight? Right now those 3 alone alteady impressed me a lot.

[RookieStar]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

This will probably change a bunch between now and the draft, but as of now in terms of pure talent (not necessarily fit with the Magic) I'd rank them...

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

There's are few guys that I really like outside of the commonly accepted top 5 as well.

Sharife Cooper is tiny, but his combination of speed, ball handling and passing is absolutely top notch. I'm all for picking guys with at least one super elite skill they can lean on and letting them figure out the rest later. Cooper's playmaking is exactly that.

He isn't a great fit for the existing Magic roster, but Scottie Barnes is going to be a fantastic player for somebody. Tremendous instincts and real guard-like skill on both ends of the floor, only on an athletic 6'9" frame. If he had Cade's shooting, I think he'd be the No. 1 pick.

Butler is ready to play 25 competent minutes a night in the NBA right now. Baylor has been absolutely awesome this year and he's been their best guy. He's a junior, but he's still only be 20 years old on draft night (he's 3 months younger than Cole Anthony), so I don't think he's as low upside as a typical junior.

Its your list and everyone is entitled for theirs but are you saying in terms of talent you didnt find a place is in the 6-10 range for johnson moody and bouknight? Right now those 3 alone alteady impressed me a lot.

[VFX]

With what we know about the current roster:

1a. Green
1b. Suggs
2. Cade
3. Kuminga



4. Mobley

In that order.

This will probably change a bunch between now and the draft, but as of now in terms of pure talent (not necessarily fit with the Magic) I'd rank them...

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

There's are few guys that I really like outside of the commonly accepted top 5 as well.

Sharife Cooper is tiny, but his combination of speed, ball handling and passing is absolutely top notch. I'm all for picking guys with at least one super elite skill they can lean on and letting them figure out the rest later. Cooper's playmaking is exactly that.

He isn't a great fit for the existing Magic roster, but Scottie Barnes is going to be a fantastic player for somebody. Tremendous instincts and real guard-like skill on both ends of the floor, only on an athletic 6'9" frame. If he had Cade's shooting, I think he'd be the No. 1 pick.

Butler is ready to play 25 competent minutes a night in the NBA right now. Baylor has been absolutely awesome this year and he's been their best guy. He's a junior, but he's still only be 20 years old on draft night (he's 3 months younger than Cole Anthony), so I don't think he's as low upside as a typical junior.

I’m not sure. I think following the Magic has broken me in terms of how I view the draft out of a selection of players.

I view the draft through two lenses.

1) Who is going to have the most impact?

In other words, who are we building around? Orlando rarely gets high picks in good drafts. If the entire roster disappeared tomorrow this question is also interpreted “BPA”. With that in mind, I’m prioritizing players that can actually run an nba level offense. Why? Because every successful nba team requires one. Orlando have zero. Suggs, Cade, and possibly Green look like they could be capable. The others? Not sure. Kuminga could be that sleeper swingman that defies position and profile, who knows.

2) What is their position relative to who we know will be on the roster for the foreseeable future (in this case Isaac).

I don’t care if it’s Barnes, Mobley, or Dwight 2.0 I’d rather the Magic have a modern offense for the first time in forever. Drafting a guy to replace Vuc, or play out of position, won’t be worth a top 5 pick. And no, playing “big” with Isaac at F and another non-floor spacer isn’t ideal. We’ve seen that experiment with AG. People can come up with cute problem solving lineups to talk themselves into it. I won’t.

Again, I’m not vehemently opposed to drafting “BPA” depending on our position. However, I don’t want to hear people’s surprise if Orlando is again in a Bamba situation, with certain selections, and we still have a terrible offense.

[Knightro]

I’m not sure. I think following the Magic has broken me in terms of how I view the draft out of a selection of players.

I view the draft through two lenses.

1) Who is going to have the most impact?

In other words, who are we building around? Orlando rarely gets high picks in good drafts. If the entire roster disappeared tomorrow this question is also interpreted “BPA”. With that in mind, I’m prioritizing players that can actually run an nba level offense. Why? Because every successful nba team requires one. Orlando have zero. Suggs, Cade, and possibly Green look like they could be capable. The others? Not sure. Kuminga could be that sleeper swingman that defies position and profile, who knows.

2) What is their position relative to who we know will be on the roster for the foreseeable future (in this case Isaac).

I don’t care if it’s Barnes, Mobley, or Dwight 2.0 I’d rather the Magic have a modern offense for the first time in forever. Drafting a guy to replace Vuc, or play out of position, won’t be worth a top 5 pick. And no, playing “big” with Isaac at F and another non-floor spacer isn’t ideal. We’ve seen that experiment with AG. People can come up with cute problem solving lineups to talk themselves into it. I won’t.

Again, I’m not vehemently opposed to drafting “BPA” depending on our position. However, I don’t want to hear people’s surprise if Orlando is again in a Bamba situation, with certain selections, and we still have a terrible offense.

I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but No. 2 is a direct reflection on the inaction of the current front office.

In a perfect world, the Magic No. 2 shouldn't be a problem because we'd have front office willing to aggressively make moves, even with existing veterans or guys still on the their rookie deals until they’ve found the right pieces.

Obviously we're not there yet, but I hate that No. 2 is such a factor in the thought process for all of us right now.

[VFX]

I’m not sure. I think following the Magic has broken me in terms of how I view the draft out of a selection of players.

I view the draft through two lenses.

1) Who is going to have the most impact?

In other words, who are we building around? Orlando rarely gets high picks in good drafts. If the entire roster disappeared tomorrow this question is also interpreted “BPA”. With that in mind, I’m prioritizing players that can actually run an nba level offense. Why? Because every successful nba team requires one. Orlando have zero. Suggs, Cade, and possibly Green look like they could be capable. The others? Not sure. Kuminga could be that sleeper swingman that defies position and profile, who knows.

2) What is their position relative to who we know will be on the roster for the foreseeable future (in this case Isaac).

I don’t care if it’s Barnes, Mobley, or Dwight 2.0 I’d rather the Magic have a modern offense for the first time in forever. Drafting a guy to replace Vuc, or play out of position, won’t be worth a top 5 pick. And no, playing “big” with Isaac at F and another non-floor spacer isn’t ideal. We’ve seen that experiment with AG. People can come up with cute problem solving lineups to talk themselves into it. I won’t.

Again, I’m not vehemently opposed to drafting “BPA” depending on our position. However, I don’t want to hear people’s surprise if Orlando is again in a Bamba situation, with certain selections, and we still have a terrible offense.

I don't think you're wrong necessarily, but No. 2 is a direct reflection on the inaction of the current front office.

In a perfect world, the Magic No. 2 shouldn't be a problem because we'd have front office willing to aggressively make moves, even with existing veterans or guys still on the their rookie deals until they’ve found the right pieces.

Obviously we're not there yet, but I hate that No. 2 is such a factor in the thought process for all of us right now.

I wish it wasn’t, but I just don’t trust them to make the right decisions. They refuse to make the necessary moves, so I’m always just assuming whoever they draft will be in Orlando for a decade regardless of outcome.

[Xatticus]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Yeah. College is where it's at. Deron Williams averaged 11.0 points per game over three years in college but managed to average 16.3 per game in his NBA career. Oladipo averaged 10.7 in his three years in college, but has averaged 17.4 in his NBA career. College is so much tougher than the NBA.

I don't know why it's so damned difficult for you to understand that anyone will average a lot of points if they play a lot of minutes and take a lot of shots. This is what happens in the G-League. Players that seldom get off the bench and that are isolated from the offense on the occasion that they actually do get to play in the NBA show out when they are given a lot of minutes and a share of the offense in the G-League. Scoring a bunch of points doesn't mean you are good. You are only good if you make your team better than your opponents more often than not when you are out on the floor. If you average 35 points per night while your team loses 80% of their games, then you probably actually suck.

College is comprised mostly of guys that will never play in front of paying fans for the rest of their lives. If you are good enough in college, you might get an opportunity to play in the G-League. The G-League is obviously better competition than college. Also... the sky is blue.

[pepe1991]

Oh come on with this competition " better than college". They just play 48 min, nobody guards anybody and stats are inflated.

Mosses Brown averaged 9,7 ppg at college, basiaclly never suited for Porland and now averages 20 ppg, 14 rpg .
Luka Samanic bounced off Spurs rotation despite being mid first round pick, still good enough for 22 ppg, 11 rpg in G league.

I've already mentioned " GOAT Poole" who couldn't even put up 15ppg at college ,but few months later in G league averaged 26 ppg.

Competition is flat out bad.

Even notion that so far best player has been Kevin Porter, guy who Cavs cut because they had zero desire to handle his behavior tells you everything you need to know how to evaluate G league.

if i tell you there is 20 yeras old kid avearging 26 ppg, 7 apg , 4 rpg on good efficiency, is athletic , on that premise alone you would fap over him and think he is lottery pick. Guy was #30 pick and due behavior issues was traded for protected second round pick...

This nba future rookies that went through this rout just wanted some cash and easy way out.. Green, Kuminga will put up stats, because this is league where NIck Stauskas will end up averaging 20 ppg, but context of those numbers will be biggest grey area possible to evaluate for fans and scouts. You have guys here who are 20 y.o. and put up ridicilous stats, but who were terrible nba players just few months ago, and only reason why they are in G league is because they suck so bad that they can't even find spot on deep bench of their teams.

Edwards today would probably average 30 points in this league , without even trying hard. Lamelo would average as much as he wants.

Yeah. College is where it's at. Deron Williams averaged 11.0 points per game over three years in college but managed to average 16.3 per game in his NBA career. Oladipo averaged 10.7 in his three years in college, but has averaged 17.4 in his NBA career. College is so much tougher than the NBA.

I don't know why it's so damned difficult for you to understand that anyone will average a lot of points if they play a lot of minutes and take a lot of shots. This is what happens in the G-League. Players that seldom get off the bench and that are isolated from the offense on the occasion that they actually do get to play in the NBA show out when they are given a lot of minutes and a share of the offense in the G-League. Scoring a bunch of points doesn't mean you are good. You are only good if you make your team better than your opponents more often than not when you are out on the floor. If you average 35 points per night while your team loses 80% of their games, then you probably actually suck.

College is comprised mostly of guys that will never play in front of paying fans for the rest of their lives. If you are good enough in college, you might get an opportunity to play in the G-League. The G-League is obviously better competition than college. Also... the sky is blue.

College is comprised mostly of guys that will never play in front of paying fans for the rest of their lives.

And G league is comprised of mostly guys who's parents and parents didn't tell them it's time to stop live in fantasy land, get a real job and come with grips of reality that basketball career is not in stores for them. There are guys who are 26-32 years old who never got professional contract outside of G league.
Esencially whole league is made of men-childs who refuse or actually can't get contract in Europe, China or any other part of the world, so they stay close to home and play for between $7K - $35K a year.

Amount of G league players who don't even get contracts but tryouts in Europe is crazy, who's contracts don't pass 4000 euros a months...

Just looking at "crem de la crem" G league players from few years back, players named into all G league team in 2018-19 and where they are at now ( reminder, those are the best players):
Angel Delagado- Spain
Jordan Loyd- Zvezda/ Serbia
McRae - China
Alan Williams- Russia
Kalin Lucas- Isreal
Walt Lemon- Isreal

Some of them made it, DUncan Robinson, Wood and Boucher, but for vast majority of them, it's either over sees or finding real job.

[basketballRob]

Cade is getting better every game. Its crazy to watch. I hope we win the lotto and get this guy. You are talking about completely changing the future of this trash-tier franchise.

He just played a 2 win Iowa State team. Let's see what he can do in the tournament

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[Skybox]

Find a way to draft Quin Snyder

[KillMonger]

Keep a lookout on Keon Johnson from Tennessee, to me he's just outside the top 5....if we fall outside the top 5 he should be in consideration for that pick

[KillMonger]

ok kuminga i like your confidence but that shot is flat

[RookieStar]

ok kuminga i like your confidence but that shot is flat

Just a quick question, but where do you watch the GL play?

[basketballRob]

ok kuminga i like your confidence but that shot is flat

Just a quick question, but where do you watch the GL play?

It's on ESPN 2 today

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[RookieStar]

ok kuminga i like your confidence but that shot is flat

Just a quick question, but where do you watch the GL play?

It's on ESPN 2 today

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No link? lol

[basketballRob]

Just a quick question, but where do you watch the GL play?

It's on ESPN 2 today

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No link? lol

Every channel in the world here.

https://youtu.be/8PHh6IkkFQ4

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