Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[The Effect]

You cant be first option with his level of reading the game and passing. Almost zero percent he gets there, he shows no signs.
His likely outcome is overrated second option. Streaky shooting and below average defense. Thats not a good skill set for second option.
He is still great prospect but i wouldnt take him above Suggs and Mobley who seem to process the game on a higher level.

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.

Well everything feels asinine when you have trouble reading. Maybe start with some elementary school material, it will be easier for you.
I didnt wrote he will never improve, i wrote its not likely given his past performance. Processing the game is propably the most difficult to improve. Ask Lavine who cant even lead a team to play in tournament. What is Green comparison to first option on a contender ? I dont see one.

Yup, about the response i would expect from you, too stupid to even know that 18 year olds improve, how can i expect you to even have an intelligent conversation about basketball

[zaymon]

SO let me get this straight....An 19 year old, who is rated as one of the best SG prospects to come out in years, lit up the G league and has a top level work ethic WILL NEVER IMPROVE??
this easily one of the most asinine comments ive ever read on this, or any bball board.

Well everything feels asinine when you have trouble reading. Maybe start with some elementary school material, it will be easier for you.
I didnt wrote he will never improve, i wrote its not likely given his past performance. Processing the game is propably the most difficult to improve. Ask Lavine who cant even lead a team to play in tournament. What is Green comparison to first option on a contender ? I dont see one.

Yup, about the response i would expect from you, too stupid to even know that 18 year olds improve, how can i expect you to even have an intelligent conversation about basketball

First watch your language. You can talk like that to your family or friends if they allow it. I wont lower myself to that level.

You want to have a conversation if 18 years old improve at basketball ? You are embarassing yourself. I never wrote they dont, of course they do. I just wrote that elite feel for the game, vision and passing needed for number one option is very hard to develop. Aaron Gordon was supposed to be better worker than Dirk Nowitzki, he entered the league at 18 years old, he had all the time in the world to improve.... did he made significant improvement in that area ?

[The Effect]

Well everything feels asinine when you have trouble reading. Maybe start with some elementary school material, it will be easier for you.
I didnt wrote he will never improve, i wrote its not likely given his past performance. Processing the game is propably the most difficult to improve. Ask Lavine who cant even lead a team to play in tournament. What is Green comparison to first option on a contender ? I dont see one.

Yup, about the response i would expect from you, too stupid to even know that 18 year olds improve, how can i expect you to even have an intelligent conversation about basketball

First watch your language. You can talk like that to your family or friends if they allow it. I wont lower myself to that level.

You want to have a conversation if 18 years old improve at basketball ? You are embarassing yourself. I never wrote they dont, of course they do. I just wrote that elite feel for the game, vision and passing needed for number one option is very hard to develop. Aaron Gordon was supposed to be better worker than Dirk Nowitzki, he entered the league at 18 years old, he had all the time in the world to improve.... did he made significant improvement in that area ?

ANd wtf are you gonna do if i talk to you to way your posts warrant? gtfoh

you literally said "almost zero chance"....To say that about any kid is moronic, especially one as driven and talented as Green so stop trying to backtrack. MOST, if not, all players improve their games, feel, passing, shooting etc AFTER the age of 18, but apparently someone with a limited knowledge of the game is saying they wont because he cant see it

[zaymon]

Yup, about the response i would expect from you, too stupid to even know that 18 year olds improve, how can i expect you to even have an intelligent conversation about basketball

First watch your language. You can talk like that to your family or friends if they allow it. I wont lower myself to that level.

You want to have a conversation if 18 years old improve at basketball ? You are embarassing yourself. I never wrote they dont, of course they do. I just wrote that elite feel for the game, vision and passing needed for number one option is very hard to develop. Aaron Gordon was supposed to be better worker than Dirk Nowitzki, he entered the league at 18 years old, he had all the time in the world to improve.... did he made significant improvement in that area ?

ANd wtf are you gonna do if i talk to you to way your posts warrant? gtfoh

you literally said "almost zero chance"....To say that about any kid is moronic, especially one as driven and talented as Green so stop trying to backtrack. MOST, if not, all players improve their games, feel, passing, shooting etc AFTER the age of 18, but apparently someone with a limited knowledge of the game is saying they wont because he cant see it

You have some serious problems with yourself. Insulting random people on the internet over some random comments is not a sign of mental health. I can obviously put you on my ignore list. I dont care about your shallow comments. Thanks for pointing out young players can improve, you must be really smart. You didnt answer any of my comments, you just repeat one false argument like a mantra.
Improving feel for the game overall and improving it to number one option level are two different scenarios. Can Jalen Green improve his feel for the game and passing to number one option (Lebron, Harden, Doncic, Curry) ? Maybe he can ? You tell me.

[The Effect]

First watch your language. You can talk like that to your family or friends if they allow it. I wont lower myself to that level.

You want to have a conversation if 18 years old improve at basketball ? You are embarassing yourself. I never wrote they dont, of course they do. I just wrote that elite feel for the game, vision and passing needed for number one option is very hard to develop. Aaron Gordon was supposed to be better worker than Dirk Nowitzki, he entered the league at 18 years old, he had all the time in the world to improve.... did he made significant improvement in that area ?

ANd wtf are you gonna do if i talk to you to way your posts warrant? gtfoh

you literally said "almost zero chance"....To say that about any kid is moronic, especially one as driven and talented as Green so stop trying to backtrack. MOST, if not, all players improve their games, feel, passing, shooting etc AFTER the age of 18, but apparently someone with a limited knowledge of the game is saying they wont because he cant see it

You have some serious problems with yourself. Insulting random people on the internet over some random comments is not a sign of mental health. I can obviously put you on my ignore list. I dont care about your shallow comments. Thanks for pointing out young players can improve, you must be really smart. You didnt answer any of my comments, you just repeat one false argument like a mantra.
Improving feel for the game overall and improving it to number one option level are two different scenarios. Can Jalen Green improve his feel for the game and passing to number one option (Lebron, Harden, Doncic, Curry) ? Maybe he can ? You tell me.

Thats rich, i call your COMMENT asinine, and YOU start the personal attacks, then tell me how im allowed to talk to you and then play the victim and get **** real.

I hope you do put me on ignore so i no longer have to deal with answering the idiotic ramblings of a moron

[KillMonger]

Cade
Green
Kuminga
Suggs
Mobley

In that order


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[Xatticus]

Yup, about the response i would expect from you, too stupid to even know that 18 year olds improve, how can i expect you to even have an intelligent conversation about basketball

First watch your language. You can talk like that to your family or friends if they allow it. I wont lower myself to that level.

You want to have a conversation if 18 years old improve at basketball ? You are embarassing yourself. I never wrote they dont, of course they do. I just wrote that elite feel for the game, vision and passing needed for number one option is very hard to develop. Aaron Gordon was supposed to be better worker than Dirk Nowitzki, he entered the league at 18 years old, he had all the time in the world to improve.... did he made significant improvement in that area ?

ANd wtf are you gonna do if i talk to you to way your posts warrant? gtfoh

you literally said "almost zero chance"....To say that about any kid is moronic, especially one as driven and talented as Green so stop trying to backtrack. MOST, if not, all players improve their games, feel, passing, shooting etc AFTER the age of 18, but apparently someone with a limited knowledge of the game is saying they wont because he cant see it

Perhaps it was a bit of hyperbole, but what he is saying is essentially correct. I'm not going to get into the debate about shooting guards being ineffectual. The issue is that what we perceive as being a modern shooting guard is someone that plays on the perimeter but that lacks playmaking, which is what Green is. You can fantasize about playmaking development for any prospect, but if they haven't shown any up to this point, then it isn't a realistic expectation. Green will score a lot of points, but playmakers are what really elevate a team's offensive efficiency, so I can appreciate the concerns about what his real long-term value is going to be.

[VFX]

^care to elaborate on why you'd go with Suggs over Cade? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but it seems like a bit of an outlier opinion.

There’s something special about Suggs imo. He’s a multi-sport athlete that decided winning a championship at the college level was more important than going to the G-league, or staying close to home, knowing he wasn’t guaranteed to go in the top of the lotto. He’s proven to be a clutch player in big games.

I think it’s a toss up between Cade and Suggs for me. However, if I consider all of the intangibles I’d probably go Suggs. If you look down the line at young players most willing to ask for trades down the road, I’d assume Suggs would be least likely out of the top 5.

Of course a lot of these things don’t matter to people, but it matters to me.

[drsd]

Moody’s shooting profile isn’t anywhere near what Redick’s was. Nobody in this class is Redick. The only one I’d have as being somewhat close is Hyland. There are 3 predictors for 3-point ability: FT%, 3PAr, and 3P%.

I want to point out that Moody’s numbers are inflated because he played a lot of minutes. He had a decent rebound rate and a good free throw rate. His numbers are otherwise rather pedestrian. I think people are seeing something more in him because his per game numbers are better than the other wing prospects in his tier, but that’s all about his minutes. He really isn’t all that appealing unless you believe his shooting is vastly superior to what he demonstrated this year.

What are your thoughts on Duane Washington Jr.? If he stays in the draft, is he worth the Magic's SRP?


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[MartinsIzAfraud]

ANd wtf are you gonna do if i talk to you to way your posts warrant? gtfoh

you literally said "almost zero chance"....To say that about any kid is moronic, especially one as driven and talented as Green so stop trying to backtrack. MOST, if not, all players improve their games, feel, passing, shooting etc AFTER the age of 18, but apparently someone with a limited knowledge of the game is saying they wont because he cant see it

You have some serious problems with yourself. Insulting random people on the internet over some random comments is not a sign of mental health. I can obviously put you on my ignore list. I dont care about your shallow comments. Thanks for pointing out young players can improve, you must be really smart. You didnt answer any of my comments, you just repeat one false argument like a mantra.
Improving feel for the game overall and improving it to number one option level are two different scenarios. Can Jalen Green improve his feel for the game and passing to number one option (Lebron, Harden, Doncic, Curry) ? Maybe he can ? You tell me.

Thats rich, i call your COMMENT asinine, and YOU start the personal attacks, then tell me how im allowed to talk to you and then play the victim and get **** real.

I hope you do put me on ignore so i no longer have to deal with answering the idiotic ramblings of a moron

Wasting your time with this one. Some of the worst takes I’ve ever read for sure.

[Skybox]

^care to elaborate on why you'd go with Suggs over Cade? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but it seems like a bit of an outlier opinion.

There’s something special about Suggs imo. He’s a multi-sport athlete that decided winning a championship at the college level was more important than going to the G-league, or staying close to home, knowing he wasn’t guaranteed to go in the top of the lotto. He’s proven to be a clutch player in big games.

I think it’s a toss up between Cade and Suggs for me. However, if I consider all of the intangibles I’d probably go Suggs. If you look down the line at young players most willing to ask for trades down the road, I’d assume Suggs would be least likely out of the top 5.

Of course a lot of these things don’t matter to people, but it matters to me.

I have the same vibe about Suggs. Cade is the clear #1 for me but I like the football toughness thing, the “bright lights don’t bother him” thing and I think Gonzaga or Villanova (of recent years) gives a little bump to your intangibles too. I’d be happy to hear Green’s name called but he’d be 3rd for me.

[VFX]

Yeah, I think WCJ are Bamba peak at starters and we have 3 prospects in the backcourt. There is also no guarantee we resign WCJ or Bamba

What is everyone's current Big Boards?

For fit mine is

Mobley
Cunningham
Green
Suggs
Kuminga

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You think Mobley is the best fit, amongst the top 5, for Orlando?

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Isaac is coming back. He’s locked in to a large contract with Orlando. He’s likely going to be playing PF now that AG is gone.

Orlando just drafted a Center and acquired another from the same exact draft (2018). They are both 22 years old.

Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz are not starting caliber point guards in the NBA. If they are, then they are bottom 3 out of all teams.

For as much as I like RJ Hampton, he’s not a shooter and is duplicative of Fultz in terms of skills set.

Orlando hasn’t had a true Small Forward since Turk and there are possibly 3 in the top of this draft.

There is no possible way you actually believe adding another Center to replace WCJr is more important than replacing Ennis or Bacon. Either that, or you’re trolling. OR are you not really talking about fit at all?

[Xatticus]

Moody’s shooting profile isn’t anywhere near what Redick’s was. Nobody in this class is Redick. The only one I’d have as being somewhat close is Hyland. There are 3 predictors for 3-point ability: FT%, 3PAr, and 3P%.

I want to point out that Moody’s numbers are inflated because he played a lot of minutes. He had a decent rebound rate and a good free throw rate. His numbers are otherwise rather pedestrian. I think people are seeing something more in him because his per game numbers are better than the other wing prospects in his tier, but that’s all about his minutes. He really isn’t all that appealing unless you believe his shooting is vastly superior to what he demonstrated this year.

What are your thoughts on Duane Washington Jr.? If he stays in the draft, is he worth the Magic's SRP?


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I've never looked at him. I will give him a look when I have some time.

[Knightro]

Isaac is coming back. He’s locked in to a large contract with Orlando. He’s likely going to be playing PF now that AG is gone.

Orlando just drafted a Center and acquired another from the same exact draft (2018). They are both 22 years old.

Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz are not starting caliber point guards in the NBA. If they are, then they are bottom 3 out of all teams.

For as much as I like RJ Hampton, he’s not a shooter and is duplicative of Fultz in terms of skills set.

Orlando hasn’t had a true Small Forward since Turk and there are possibly 3 in the top of this draft.

There is no possible way you actually believe adding another Center to replace WCJr is more important than replacing Ennis or Bacon. Either that, or you’re trolling.

I've been very guilty of this in the past myself, but putting this much consideration into what's already here is a mistake IMO.

I don't think the Magic can or should weigh their draft decisions based on some sort of "Center Prospect X is only 20% better than Carter Jr and Wing Prospect Y is 50% better than Ennis and Bacon" criteria.

The only thing that really matters is "Draft prospect X is whatever percentage better than Draft prospect Y".

I like Carter. I don't like Bamba as much. But I would be 100% content moving on from both of them without much of a second thought if a clear elite center prospect presented itself in the draft. They're both ultimately just regular guys, not elite talent.

[VFX]

Isaac is coming back. He’s locked in to a large contract with Orlando. He’s likely going to be playing PF now that AG is gone.

Orlando just drafted a Center and acquired another from the same exact draft (2018). They are both 22 years old.

Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz are not starting caliber point guards in the NBA. If they are, then they are bottom 3 out of all teams.

For as much as I like RJ Hampton, he’s not a shooter and is duplicative of Fultz in terms of skills set.

Orlando hasn’t had a true Small Forward since Turk and there are possibly 3 in the top of this draft.

There is no possible way you actually believe adding another Center to replace WCJr is more important than replacing Ennis or Bacon. Either that, or you’re trolling.

I've been very guilty of this in the past myself, but putting this much consideration into what's already here is a mistake IMO.

I don't think the Magic can or should weigh their draft decisions based on some sort of "Center Prospect X is only 20% better than Carter Jr and Wing Prospect Y is 50% better than Ennis and Bacon"

The only thing that really matters is "Draft prospect X is whatever percentage better than Draft prospect Y".

I like Carter. I don't like Bamba as much. But I would be 100% content moving on from both of them without much of a second thought if a clear elite center prospect presented itself in the draft. They're both ultimately just regular guys, not elite talent.

Yeah I like Carter. I don’t think he’s an elite prospect, but he’s a serviceable Center that can help you win basketball games and not eat heavily into the cap. What more could you ask for? He’s going to get better.

If we are talking about best “fit” for Orlando, Mobley isn’t in the conversation unless you’re Steve Clifford and the year is 1999.

Now, if someone believes he’s the “best talent” on the board... sure whatever.

[axl_c_cool]

Why Mobley last?

Cade
Green
Kuminga
Suggs
Mobley

In that order


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[GelbeWand09]

Cade
Suggs

Green

Mobley

Kuminga

No particular order for the chi pick. I havent watched Bouknight, Moody or Keon Johnson so far.
Giddey
Barnes
Springer
Wagner
J. Johnson

btw. Whats the appeal of K. Johnson, because i saw him high on some lists here & mocks. Like i wrote, i havent watched him at all but his profile looks not really interesting for me. Bad shooter + suspect handle + pretty bad off. advanced stats, except FTr

[Xatticus]

^care to elaborate on why you'd go with Suggs over Cade? Not saying I disagree necessarily, but it seems like a bit of an outlier opinion.

There’s something special about Suggs imo. He’s a multi-sport athlete that decided winning a championship at the college level was more important than going to the G-league, or staying close to home, knowing he wasn’t guaranteed to go in the top of the lotto. He’s proven to be a clutch player in big games.

I think it’s a toss up between Cade and Suggs for me. However, if I consider all of the intangibles I’d probably go Suggs. If you look down the line at young players most willing to ask for trades down the road, I’d assume Suggs would be least likely out of the top 5.

Of course a lot of these things don’t matter to people, but it matters to me.

Agreed. The thing with Suggs is that his skill base isn't that high, yet he makes plays at a high frequency. He plays the game like a QB/safety. He sees opportunities and goes. He doesn't idle on ball and try to figure things out. He can already run the pick and roll really well. I just think a lot of work on his basic skills will improve his play demonstrably and you don't have to hope that the game just clicks for him at some point. I'd still take Cunningham because we've seen that there is a significant advantage in getting playmaking from someone with a bigger frame.

[j-ragg]

I feel like a center would have to be a little more dominant than Mobley was in college this year in order for me to consider them with a top 5 pick. Right or wrong, just how I feel after watching this team so long.

[axl_c_cool]

I'm not trolling, I don't do that or dismiss someones opinion (not saying you have). F

For me it's simply BPA, when I consider fit with it's Mobley. I believe Fultz will comeback and be a good enough starting PG, and we have 2 other prospects.

I believe Okeke can play SF, and I've also said in the Chicago thread Barnes would be my ideal pick with that pick to play 3 and 4.

All that being said I'm not concrete on that opinion, as we get closer and more info comes out Mobley could slide and not make sense for his perceived ceiling.

I don't believe in WCJ is more than a back up, and I hate to say I think Bamba will ne moved, I hope I'm wrong.

I get why people wouldn't want another center too, as a fan I wouldn't either

Yeah, I think WCJ are Bamba peak at starters and we have 3 prospects in the backcourt. There is also no guarantee we resign WCJ or Bamba

You think Mobley is the best fit, amongst the top 5, for Orlando?

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Isaac is coming back. He’s locked in to a large contract with Orlando. He’s likely going to be playing PF now that AG is gone.

Orlando just drafted a Center and acquired another from the same exact draft (2018). They are both 22 years old.

Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz are not starting caliber point guards in the NBA. If they are, then they are bottom 3 out of all teams.

For as much as I like RJ Hampton, he’s not a shooter and is duplicative of Fultz in terms of skills set.

Orlando hasn’t had a true Small Forward since Turk and there are possibly 3 in the top of this draft.

There is no possible way you actually believe adding another Center to replace WCJr is more important than replacing Ennis or Bacon. Either that, or you’re trolling. OR are you not really talking about fit at all?

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