2023-2024 Regular Season Game 30: Philadelphia 76ers (20-9) at Orlando Magic (18-11) - 7pm

[JF5]

Lose at home to Heat with no Butler and Philly with no Embiid… Out coached and our front office out managed… Those teams are built with players that will flat out slit your throat…

This is the first year of being good with a lot of young talent. Relax, lol... a well coached, veteran team beating a young team like this is not surprising if they have stars or not. It's part of the process.

[richi_v25]

On offense, we got great looks and bricked them.

On defense, we got hunted and killed.

Nurse brilliant coaching job..... Effectively shut down the paint and got the matchups they wanted with us making no adjustment....

Sent from the phone in my hands

Yeah, he’s a damn good coach.

But is he 2023 November coach of the East good?

[thelead]

Nurse brilliant coaching job..... Effectively shut down the paint and got the matchups they wanted with us making no adjustment....

Sent from the phone in my hands

Yeah, he’s a damn good coach.

But is he 2023 November coach of the East good?

He’s a good coach… but he needs vet coaches around him. He is a player’s coach, not and X’s and O’s coach.

[RichCollab]

We have a ways to go but we are making progress.

[Optimus_Steel]

Philadelphia is a great team even with no Embid, they have great defense, have the best point differential in the league and are veterans. This young team needs to get over the tough defense frustrations and figure out ways to counter. Yea it’s tough when 3s aren’t falling and the paint is clogged, so what keep fighting because it’s going to keep happening if you don’t figure out ways to grind out some sort of offense. The reason Philly made this a blowout was because the Magic let themselves get frustrated and the defensive effort disappeared, suddenly it’s comfortable shots for them, game over. This team still has a ton to learn and figure out, as shown by the frustration and letting themselves get blown out of close late game, plus the obvious and desperate need for WePark to add shooting to this team.

If the Magic don’t get over their frustrations the NY will do the same thing that Miami and Philly did this past week.

[FFBlitzace]

I'm just mad and I shouldn't overreact. We are who we are, and on top of that, we're missing guys we rely on.

That said, Jett should have looked at the table and given an MJ shoulder shrug after making that shot.

[Knightro]

I just don't like the quality of the looks and I don't like it when Banchero and or Wagner dribble the ball too much if at all on the perimeter.

I get that, but clearly you watch the games.

This is what those two guys have done all season long. They're both heavy isolation/attack switches/initiate quasi pick and roll guys every single game.

Philly is a very well coached defensive team (even without Embiid) and the Magic do not have the necessary 3PT shooting to counter a consistently packed lane.

Throw in a bunch of turnovers that led to run outs the other way and this is what you get some nights. Just happened against Miami a few games ago too.

[GameOver25]

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

The Magic have won 18 of their first 30 games playing this exact style of offense though. It works against a lot of teams.

The reason why it doesn't work against the better defensive teams because the Magic simply don't possess the ability to punish defenses that have zoned up and/or packed the paint by making threes.

Imagine the Sixers trying this exact defensive game plan against Boston or Dallas or Sacramento or Indiana. They'd have gotten blown off the court.

If the Magic had the ability to make 3PT shots at a high level, with everything else they already do well, they'd be one of the very best teams in the NBA.

But they don't. So when they play good teams who are smart, tough and force a lot of turnovers, they don't really have an answer offensively.

I just don't like the quality of the looks and I don't like it when Banchero and or Wagner dribble the ball too much if at all on the perimeter.

I'm afraid we just have to live with that. That is how they play, which is at the top of key, isos, face ups. The only way you change that up is by bringing someone in who's significantly better at running the offense.

[VFX]

Get used to JI not being available. So **** annoying that I’m starting to dislike him despite what he actually provides when he plays.

Cole gets targeted on defense and game to game makes up for it on offense. Tonight? Nope.

Rotations were ****. Too many one way guys playing a 10 man rotation. Paolo looked like ****.

Carter was non existent, while Goga plays 9 minutes to close out the 4th when Orlando is trying to claw back into the game. That’s on Mosely. Don’t really care about the excuses as to why.

Don’t want to hear about shooting. You aren’t winning basketball games when Marcus Morris and PatBev combined outscores your entire bench in less minutes.

[SOUL]

Paolo is a bit clunky offensively still. He'll figure it out. Drew Gooden on the Wizards broadcast said something I agree with, that his shot reminds me of Carlos Boozer. Paolo is not as smooth as Carmelo yet in terms of just having a pure shot.

But if your floor is an agile Carlos Boozer with playmaking (who was a two time all-star with out it), then Paolo's ceiling is very high.

[ogmagicfan]

I'm honestly not that mad, because it's the same storyline as usual when we lose:

-Team we're playing runs a zone against us, and we miss open jumpers

-Team we're playing forces alot of turnovers

-Team we're playing beats us on the boards, specifically offensive

-We fall behind and aren't able to make a run of our own to retake the lead

I'm just hoping the front office makes a move for our team personnel

[Knightro]

Yeah, he’s a damn good coach.

But is he 2023 November coach of the East good?

He’s a good coach… but he needs vet coaches around him. He is a player’s coach, not and X’s and O’s coach.

I firmly stand by the old adage...

"It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's."

The Magic have the worst three point shooting team in the league. That's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem.

The fact that they're 18-12 through 30 games with 3PT shooting this horrendous is a testament to Mosley, not a indictment.

[JF5]

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

I mean you CAN'T disagree with stats man... 33.9 percent from 3 (which will be lower after this game) that is the 3rd lowest in the NBA.

They attempt 29.6 3s per game which is 2nd to last in the NBA, whilst only make 10 3s per game which is second to last (which likely will be dead last after this game as well).

So stats show this is an atrocious 3 point shooting team

18-11 a bunch of 23 year olds. Argue with that stat.

Lol, you argued about the team wasn't struggling to score because of 3s (which was the crux of the argument and has a pretty obvious problem since the end of the streak). I give you stats that are very troubling as to why the offense struggles.

Now all of sudden you're switching it to "yeah, they're 18-12!" What does that have to do with anything we're initially talking about?

Yes, this is a young team that has talent and has a good record. But my goodness their offense is massively restricted with the lack of team shooting from 3 to make scoring easier. It's just a fact.

[Skin]

But is he 2023 November coach of the East good?

He’s a good coach… but he needs vet coaches around him. He is a player’s coach, not and X’s and O’s coach.

I firmly stand by the old adage...

"It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's."

The Magic have the worst three point shooting team in the league. That's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem.

The fact that they're 18-12 through 30 games with 3PT shooting this horrendous is a testament to Mosley, not a indictment.

Curious which of our Jimmy's and Joe's you would replace.

[thelead]

But is he 2023 November coach of the East good?

He’s a good coach… but he needs vet coaches around him. He is a player’s coach, not and X’s and O’s coach.

I firmly stand by the old adage...

"It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's."

The Magic have the worst three point shooting team in the league. That's a personnel problem. Not a coaching problem.

The fact that they're 18-12 through 30 games with 3PT shooting this horrendous is a testament to Mosley, not a indictment.

I said he was a good coach… but there is absolutely room for improvement on the X’s and O’s side. You know that I know we have personnel issues (plus needing to be patient for development to happen). I was probably the first to bring up Tyus. I have also brought Kispert, Simons, and LaVine (like many others have).

[SOUL]

I think people conflate just having competent shooting with completely changing our style. We don't have to (and shouldn't) become the Pacers or Curry-Klay Warriors and chuck threes, we just can't always expect the Magic to do be competent in every other important area to keep us in the game while another team can do a simple drive and kick three.

I watched the Pacers-Rockets game last night and the Pacers were getting out-hustled and looked straight up lost on defense for most of the game. They won because they hit open shots and the Rockets couldn't.

[RichCollab]

Love Black and Love Suggs but ultimately don’t believe that they are the future backcourt together.

We need an elite shooter in the SL.

[VFX]

Love Black and Love Suggs but ultimately don’t believe that they are the future backcourt together.

We need an elite shooter in the SL.

Suggs was 8-12 with 20 points tonight while playing defense on Maxey and 50% from 3.

[thelead]

Love Black and Love Suggs but ultimately don’t believe that they are the future backcourt together.

We need an elite shooter in the SL.

It’s more than shooting though. We need a guard that can go get a bucket and set up Paolo and Franz for easier buckets.

It’s to be seen if either of them can get there but I wouldn’t mind trading for a player like that and letting one the youngsters learn in a reserve role (likely AB).

[Knightro]

Curious which of our Jimmy's and Joe's you would replace.

Point guard/lead guard is the biggest weakness on this roster by a mile. That would be the spot I would be looking to address immediately.