Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[Bensational]

made this to commemorate this trade deadline

Why does this look like the pamphlet for Weltman’s funeral?

[VFX]

I keep having to double check our record and Paolo's all-star status to make sure I'm not imagining things. People really struggle with perspective.

Because things don't all happen in a vacuum when you have contracts and timeframes at stake.

All things can be true simultaneously.

Unless you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend none of it matters until it does?

I've come around to your position that not moving Fultz earlier wasted his trade value. He's worthless to us except as cap space at this point. Same goes for our other expiring contracts. They are worthless as trade assets now.

Whether that is "bad" is up for debate. If you want to have AB and Jett play their way into the rotation, letting Fultz and Harris expire is better than trading for upgrades that could end up as long-term blockers.

I'm kinda ok with it, TBH. I think AB is a smidge behind Suggs in potential and I think they compliment each other nicely and I want to see AB get serious burn. Using Fultz's expiring to free up a starting gig for AB is A-OK by me.

Jett, I'm not sold on but I'm not some gifted talent evaluator and I want to see what the kid can do. Weltman drafts well.

This is all well and good... However, you are still waiting for AB to develop alongside guys that are also developing.

AB could unlock his full potential 3 seasons from now. Thats not really the argument here. Paolo and Franz have shorter timeframes and expect to be making the playoffs in the following seasons.

This is all just a waste of time and assets at this point if you never trade anyone and never address glaring weaknesses that make Franz and Paolo's job exponentially more difficult than necessary.

I dont care if people still disagree or even agree with my Fultz takes this past offseason. We are well past those arguments. Weltman has already proven my point.

[ibraheim718]

You can be bummed about the front office but the team and most of the players are still awesome.

[jonbob17]

Anyone proposing Dinwiddie on the buyout market is not my friend anymore.

Why not? Theres also Joe Harris

It’s a shame 2020 Joe Harris wasn’t released.

I’d trade MF for Killian Hayes this afternoon. At least the expectations with Hayes would be somewhat in line with reality.

[eyriq]

these front office mofos are too lackadaisical in an era where at any point in a players contract that can just request a trade if they feel the team isn't where they're supposed to be....we may not have as much time as people think

Players on rookie contracts don't behave like this. We aren't in a win now phase and won't be for two more seasons I think?

shouldn't you be in win now after you get your stars? i feel like that clock started as soon as we got paolo....some of the issues we have now isn't really something new and should be getting addressed by now right? we're going to solve the shooting and spacing issues this offseason right?

I don't know, I'm sure you could justify an immediate pivot to win now. You start sacrificing future value too soon though and I think you live to regret it. We have a long runway for Paolo to level up so letting assets mature alongside him makes sense. Timeline concept, as you get closer to Paolo's window of being the #1 option on a contender you start focusing more on present value than future value.

I think Hawks, Mavs, and Cavs are teams that hit the accelerator once their young core was locked in. Debatable is it was the right move.

[SOUL]

You can be bummed about the front office but the team and most of the players are still awesome.

I think it's perfectly reasonably to be disappointed, and we all have our favorites on the team as well, but I feel some people won't be happy unless it's how they envisioned the team with their favorite roster and players. Such is the life of a fan, I suppose.

[The Real Dalic]

Not as a joke or in a positive or negative light, but purely as a possible factual option is that we may actually re-sign Fultz for a big 1 or 2 year deal this offseason if we can't find a replacement for him to try moving him again next trade deadline.

I can really see this happening. This board would be an interesting read if that were to happen. I'm not saying I would do it as it's obvious we desperately need shooting from the PG position.

Lastly, I would personally rather have Fultz be our backup PG and moving on from Cole instead. I think outside of shooting Fultz provides a lot of other things as a backup PG. He could be like our Shaun Livingston.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Sam Vecenie
Senior Writer, NBA Draft

No trades by the Orlando Magic is a bit of a surprise to me. They had a lot of firepower and expiring contracts to include. Plus, they have reason to make moves with how well their season has started.

I expected them to do something to add to their bench scoring and shooting. Instead, they didn't.

a lot of people feeling the same way

[MartinsIzAfraud]

You can be bummed about the front office but the team and most of the players are still awesome.

excited for Paolo, Franz, and Suggs that's about it right now.

[basketballRob]

I like having our draft pick. Now we can speculate for 2 months, who we'll pick with the 14-20 pick. We also still have all our money to burn in FA

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[The Real Dalic]

I like having our draft pick. Now we can speculate for 2 months, who we'll pick with the 14-20 pick. We also still have all our money to burn in FA

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I can't see us picking up yet another player from the draft this year. Especially since our two lottery picks don't get on the floor as it is.

[VFX]

I like having our draft pick. Now we can speculate for 2 months, who we'll pick with the 14-20 pick. We also still have all our money to burn in FA

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Yeah can’t wait to spend time going into a deep dive on the draft for them to select some guy that will never see minutes or just trade the pick for a draft 2-3 seasons from now.

How tantalizing.

[fendilim]

Perhaps saving the bullet for a bigger deal

[KillMonger]

Sam Vecenie
Senior Writer, NBA Draft

No trades by the Orlando Magic is a bit of a surprise to me. They had a lot of firepower and expiring contracts to include. Plus, they have reason to make moves with how well their season has started.

I expected them to do something to add to their bench scoring and shooting. Instead, they didn't.

a lot of people feeling the same way

not surprising....it just sucks i got to watch gary harris be inconsistent, would rather watch AB develop if you ask me.....getting tired of the joe ingles experiment, surprised people early on but now that he's scouted not as effective and he still can't move....then you have cole anthony....sheesh, instead of addressing issues we're back to "hope" again....."hope" these guys stay healthy...."hope" they can learn how to shoot.....i didn't expect any of the issues to be SOLVED but at very least addressed...that's the bare minimum...as least address some of the issues now with small moves and solve them later with bigger moves....but....doing nothing? just lazy man if you ask me

[jezzerinho]

Players on rookie contracts don't behave like this. We aren't in a win now phase and won't be for two more seasons I think?

shouldn't you be in win now after you get your stars? i feel like that clock started as soon as we got paolo....some of the issues we have now isn't really something new and should be getting addressed by now right? we're going to solve the shooting and spacing issues this offseason right?

I don't know, I'm sure you could justify an immediate pivot to win now. You start sacrificing future value too soon though and I think you live to regret it. We have a long runway for Paolo to level up so letting assets mature alongside him makes sense. Timeline concept, as you get closer to Paolo's window of being the #1 option on a contender you start focusing more on present value than future value.

I think Hawks, Mavs, and Cavs are teams that hit the accelerator once their young core was locked in. Debatable is it was the right move.

Dont try because you might not succeed. Got it.

Sorry for being blunt, but there's a success story for every failure. Theres a good GM for every Weltman.

[CarraT]

Perhaps saving the bullet for a bigger deal

Thats just naive. Our FO is just lazy, risk averse, and really, really dont see any need to do something. Its so obvious. Its really frustrating, considering we are in a good position, but they cant make anything out of it.

[yoyojw17]

Having not trade Fultz, chuma, harris..... isn't a bad thing .... thats $35 dollars more to make decisions this off season. maybe they didn't want to jeopardize flexibility if it wasn't worth it. Harris for this jones swap.... makes sense..... cuz that allows neither team to be financially tied down. But what if Washington wants a first... but the magic aren't sure that they want to pay that for someone that they themselves might not be confident in. Maybe a second rounder for the magic was worth it ... but thats off the table. Takes 2 to tango... so just cuz trades weren't done .... doesn't mean they didn't try. Think of the number of trades that are discussed and how many of them are actually completed. Maybe nothing made sense to them.... and that's fine. Or we could be like Dallas who went in on grant Williams.... with assets ... to just rush and undo it with PJ Washington....and giving up another 1st round pick. Lol


We will see what they do with it this summer before just resorting to complaining.... a lot can happen!

[KillMonger]

if that report was true about schroder being available for 2nd rounders then that was a missed opportunity, we got plenty 2nds...arguably better PG than this version of markelle we have now

[The-Stallion70]

I keep having to double check our record and Paolo's all-star status to make sure I'm not imagining things. People really struggle with perspective.

Fandom is built on hope. You have to be able to “see tha vision” if you want to put up with the hard times (even a nice season like this one).

If it doesn’t look like there is a vision, it’s naturally going to cause disengagement. There are a lot of attractions for our attention beyond the NBA.

Fair enough. But all the boogiemen are on expiring contracts and he's got 5 lotto talents on rookie contracts baking in the oven and driving the team. The vision of organic growth, strong culture, and establishing a defensive foundation is pretty clear and we are consistently pursuing it.

It's not smart to build from the defensive side of the ball in the NBA today.

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[Cammo101]

You can always count on the Magic to stand pat and take no chances. I have zero faith this front office is going to move young talent to take the next step, instead we will just watch those young guys walk away for nothing as we pray Banchero and Wagner are enough to turn the tide.

We should have made a move to consolidate this offseason and everyone here said just wait until the trade deadline. Now here we are and can stop pretending these is any kind of vision here past "we like our youth". That plan usually leads to plateauing and talented young guys not being able to find regular minutes to develop.