2024-2025 Regular Season Game 51: Orlando Magic (24-26) at Golden State Warriors (24-24) - 10pm

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Honestly, I just hope our players are okay mentally and physically. I really wish Paolo would rest during all star break and just work on his conditioning. Hopefully he is surrounded by the right people that tell him he needs the break to relax and condition.

[Skybox]

But yeah, also, they are just both really solid iso players but both want to do completely different things with it usually.

Off-season assignment #1 for them I guess is to learn PnR.

I’m trying to imagine how the offense runs even if we add a PG. Do those two still just camp in the corners and elbows whilst the PG runs an opening PnR with a big and kicks it out to one of them if nothing is there?

It’s easy to scream “this team needs a point guard!” into the void (not saying you’re doing this now).

But there’s fundamental ways this offense, and in particular how Paolo and Franz have each played for the last three years straight, will have to change in order for that to be a thing.

Adding a point guard isn’t some magical pixie dust that is going to change things immediately for the better.

There’s an overhaul process that would have to happen too that I suspect would look quite ugly for a while depending on who the point guard is.

This is absolutely true and necessary. Hopefully, their talent goes beyond schoolyard iso dominance and can be deployed in a more sophisticated manner. The sooner they learn how to play high-level sustainable winning basketball, the better. Right now, every possession is an improv, not any kind of plan…bad habits being reinforced every time down. I really hope Mose can contribute to that. He’s a great guy, the defensive switching is great, but I have doubts about any kind of offensive creativity.

[zaymon]

Sure, this is true right now. But surely we aren't going to jump to conclusions here? (For what it is worth, I am just as high on Franz as I am Paolo)

Well Franz was better since the beginning and the gap is getting wider and wider. Being better in 3-4 games in one playoff series wont change my mind.

What does creating Franz vs Paolo narrative even do? Just needless and seems like something ESPN would love. It's obvious that Franz is the better player right now, but if we want to get anywhere, we need both to be great. If they can't co-exist, we should want them both to be good still because at least we'll get some value via a trade.

It matters becouse there is chance (bigger or smaller) that we will have to decide who we want to build around and i think it would be a mistake to build around Paolo.

[Skybox]

Hopefully WePark saw this as a Moses Moody interview game. Always thought his game compliments Orlando's offense.

I ve loved this guy since 2021 draft

2 way player that can shoot the ball with a long wingspan

Sadly, I would have taken him over that German kid from Michigan…pair him with Okafor

[drsd]

Honestly, I just hope our players are okay mentally and physically.

Post of the day!

We fans forget the mental toll the 6-Feb deadline has on their psyches.

[pepe1991]

Honestly, I just hope our players are okay mentally and physically.

Post of the day!

We fans forget the mental toll the 6-Feb deadline has on their psyches.

Man it has toll on fans let alone players, but they cope by logging onto their bank accounts

[Blue_and_Whte]

Honestly, I just hope our players are okay mentally and physically.

Post of the day!

We fans forget the mental toll the 6-Feb deadline has on their psyches.

Man it has toll on fans let alone players, but they cope by logging onto their bank accounts

Both statements are accurate.

[Flannerz]

Why would our players be worried about the trade deadline when we don't make trades?!

[The-Stallion70]

We badly need to get Paolo and Franz some help

Overinvested in defense and now here we are

Maybe Devos will give Weltman the go ahead to bring in an offensive player no matter how unchristian that would be

[Knightro]

We badly need to get Paolo and Franz some help

Overinvested in defense and now here we are

Maybe Devos will give Weltman the go ahead to bring in an offensive player no matter how unchristian that would be

Paolo and Franz are both max players and we’re talking about how badly they need help?

They need to play a lot better and justify the financial investment made in them.

[Bergmaniac]

This was one ugly game of basketball. Any half-competent offensive team would have had at least 15 points lead after the Warriors couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives in the first quarter. At least the bench was very good, apart from Isaac's typical brick fest, they defended really well, especially Wendell and the offense was better in their minutes. Cole was the only one who kept our offense going in the first half quarters and scored several big buckts in the fourth. Going away from him and Franz late in the fourth so Paolo and KCP could shoot a few more bricks was just suicidal.

Paolo had an incredible -117.2 on/off rating in this one, BTW, we had -30.8 net rating in his 37 minutes and 86.4 net rating in the minutes he sat, he should have never come back on the court in the fourth, he is hurting the team currently. Yes, small sample size and all, but the trend has been quite clear lately. Sure, it's hard for him due to the poor spacing of our team but he is making it harder for himself with his shot selection, he is forcing so many low percentage shots. And his transition D is just awful way too often.

Black is just a complete non-factor on offense when Paolo and Franz are on the court, he never attempts anything and his teammates almost never look for him.

[The-Stallion70]

We badly need to get Paolo and Franz some help

Overinvested in defense and now here we are

Maybe Devos will give Weltman the go ahead to bring in an offensive player no matter how unchristian that would be

Paolo and Franz are both max players and we’re talking about how badly they need help?

They need to play a lot better and justify the financial investment made in them.

Our offense is 29th and financial investment in a player doesn't directly correlate to value on the court. YES we need to get them more help, the team isn't good enough yet, we lost our 3rd and fourth best offensive players to injury and we don't have the depth to make up for it. The rest of these guys are just defenders.

Cmon man you know this

[The-Stallion70]

We have 30m per year caught up in Suggs, a guy who doesn't respect his own limitations as a player and keeps getting hurt as a result.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Chuckles. We’re in danger..

Next 8 games : Kings Denver Spurs Hawks Hornets Hawks Grizzlies Wiz. There’s 1 possibly 2 wins there.

[Knightro]

Our offense is 29th and financial investment in a player doesn't directly correlate to value on the court. YES we need to get them more help, the team isn't good enough yet, we lost our 3rd and fourth best offensive players to injury and we don't have the depth to make up for it. The rest of these guys are just defenders.

Cmon man you know this

The highest usage player on the team is shooting .388 from the floor, .258 from the three point line and .613 from the foul line while averaging 3.8 turnovers per game since returning from his injury.

Blaming this on anyone else is just not an accurate representation of where the problems currently lie.

Any issues with the supporting cast absolutely pale in comparison to the guy they consider to be their best player playing like one of the worst players in the entire league.

[The-Stallion70]

Our offense is 29th and financial investment in a player doesn't directly correlate to value on the court. YES we need to get them more help, the team isn't good enough yet, we lost our 3rd and fourth best offensive players to injury and we don't have the depth to make up for it. The rest of these guys are just defenders.

Cmon man you know this

The highest usage player on the team is shooting .388 from the floor, .258 from the three point line and .613 from the foul line while averaging 3.8 turnovers per game since returning from his injury.

Blaming this on anyone else is just not an accurate representation of where the problems currently lie.

Any issues with the supporting cast absolutely pale in comparison to the guy they consider to be their best player playing like one of the worst players in the entire league.

I agree but I also think he would play better if he had more threats around him to make the game easier for him offensively. I wouldnt try to view him like hes a generational talent or Lebron who can carry a ream by himself I don't think he's quite that tier, he's more of a mid tier all star and we need a complete team around him like what Boston built or Cleveland.

[VFX]

The bottom line is that they need to overhaul how Paolo and Franz are utilized within the context of the offense. I’ve been saying this for two years now.

Everyone knows Paolo is capable of sharing the load on offense with Franz. They have to put him in better situations to do that.

Defense will be there when Suggs returns.

[Skybox]

The bottom line is that they need to overhaul how Paolo and Franz are utilized within the context of the offense. I’ve been saying this for two years now.

Everyone knows Paolo is capable of sharing the load on offense with Franz. They have to put him in better situations to do that.

Defense will be there when Suggs returns.

Simons just fits...so could Sexton. Sexton seems more like a happy, fired up cheerleader too...He might be just what we need emotionally as well as skill-wise.

He's always clapping, talking s**t, smiling...dude just loves to compete.

[eyriq]

The bottom line is that they need to overhaul how Paolo and Franz are utilized within the context of the offense. I’ve been saying this for two years now.

Everyone knows Paolo is capable of sharing the load on offense with Franz. They have to put him in better situations to do that.

Defense will be there when Suggs returns.

I don't think offensive system overhauls happen mid-season, it requires a lot of coaching and a training camp to implement a new system. But it'll be interesting to see if we make any coaching changes in the off season.

[The-Stallion70]

The bottom line is that they need to overhaul how Paolo and Franz are utilized within the context of the offense. I’ve been saying this for two years now.

And how exactly do you plan on doing this