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Official 2025 Offseason Thread

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Does the FO add a legitimate starting (scoring) guard to the roster this summer?

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#441 » by ogmagicfan » Wed May 7, 2025 5:28 pm

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Idiosyncratic wrote:I think if you get Reaves it means the FO is willing to extend him. You hope it doesn't take as much as it may, but if it does I think he is a good enough fit that you try to make it work. Means no more selling 2nd round picks though.

Some of these packages for Reaves feel light to me. I think there is a really good chance the Lakers don't care about Goga and picks. I almost feel like the only way a deal gets done is if the Lakers view AB as a good longterm fit next to Luka.


My thing is Reaves even the solution at PG?

I dont think so. A Lakers fan on Twitter a couple months ago gave a great deep dive into Reaves weaknesses with passing the ball. I also watch a solid amount of Lakers ball.

He excels at certain things (like kick outs to shooter) but struggles in so many other different ways (like decision making, alot of the basic prerequisites for a PG, etc etc) that I wouldnt feel comfortable trading as many pieces, or giving him the kinda extension he'd want. Neutralizing his passing game would be fairly easy in the playoffs, and the Timberwolves did a great job of relegating him to being a 3 pt shooter who does the occassional drive

He's improved alot since joining the NBA, but not enough in the specific skill set we need from a PG, especially for the price.


My thing with the PG position is I think they are going to go with more of a combo type like Simons/Sexton etc. I think they still want Paolo and Franz handling it a ton. And Reaves to me is just a solid step above the other combo options at passing and scoring efficiency. Plus he has improved each year. He is like a 90th percentile PnR ball-handler, he has flaws, but would make a big difference for us.

I think you have valid concerns and criticisms, I think there is a real chance our offense will still be bad with all of these guys, but I would personally be pretty comfortable taking a shot on Reaves-- Especially in comparison to the other realistic options.

To find a guy that can pass it at a high level and score would be to trade for a star like Lamelo, Trae or Maxey etc. I just don't think they are going that route yet. They could get a good passer that can hit an occasional 3 like an upgraded CoJo, but then spacing issues will still probably persist. I just feel of the combo guys who deliver a combination of the two things we need, Reaves is the best.

I'm not even sure Reaves is going to be available and I think the Lakers will shoot for higher than what we have, but I would make the call. The extension definitely would be tricky. I really see Reaves as unlikely, but my personal ideal combo guard.


You could be right about that, I personally dont agree with a combo guard being to solution to our problems, as I'd liken Paolo & Franz to Tatum & Brown passing wise, except our duo is slightly better passing wise?

I dont think theyre good enough to ignore the same problems that plagued the Celtics. Smart didnt cut it. They went and got White and later Holiday. Reaves might put up comparable ast #'s to White but his ability, I wouldnt say is in the same field.

Reaves or whoever we get might be a placeholder, which is fair, but I'm not the most comfortable trading multiple picks & young talent for a placeholder.

I do agree, Reaves is pretty high on the list for potential combo guards to add on our team that are plausible

I also wonder are we looking for a combo guard because that's what we want, or thats the only options that are primarily available?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#442 » by VFX » Wed May 7, 2025 5:38 pm

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My thing is Reaves even the solution at PG?

I dont think so. A Lakers fan on Twitter a couple months ago gave a great deep dive into Reaves weaknesses with passing the ball. I also watch a solid amount of Lakers ball.

He excels at certain things (like kick outs to shooter) but struggles in so many other different ways (like decision making, alot of the basic prerequisites for a PG, etc etc) that I wouldnt feel comfortable trading as many pieces, or giving him the kinda extension he'd want. Neutralizing his passing game would be fairly easy in the playoffs, and the Timberwolves did a great job of relegating him to being a 3 pt shooter who does the occassional drive

He's improved alot since joining the NBA, but not enough in the specific skill set we need from a PG, especially for the price.


My thing with the PG position is I think they are going to go with more of a combo type like Simons/Sexton etc. I think they still want Paolo and Franz handling it a ton. And Reaves to me is just a solid step above the other combo options at passing and scoring efficiency. Plus he has improved each year. He is like a 90th percentile PnR ball-handler, he has flaws, but would make a big difference for us.

I think you have valid concerns and criticisms, I think there is a real chance our offense will still be bad with all of these guys, but I would personally be pretty comfortable taking a shot on Reaves-- Especially in comparison to the other realistic options.

To find a guy that can pass it at a high level and score would be to trade for a star like Lamelo, Trae or Maxey etc. I just don't think they are going that route yet. They could get a good passer that can hit an occasional 3 like an upgraded CoJo, but then spacing issues will still probably persist. I just feel of the combo guys who deliver a combination of the two things we need, Reaves is the best.

I'm not even sure Reaves is going to be available and I think the Lakers will shoot for higher than what we have, but I would make the call. The extension definitely would be tricky. I really see Reaves as unlikely, but my personal ideal combo guard.


You could be right about that, I personally dont agree with a combo guard being to solution to our problems, as I'd liken Paolo & Franz to Tatum & Brown passing wise, except our duo is slightly better passing wise?

I dont think theyre good enough to ignore the same problems that plagued the Celtics. Smart didnt cut it. They went and got White and later Holiday. Reaves might put up comparable ast #'s to White but his ability, I wouldnt say is in the same field.

Reaves or whoever we get might be a placeholder, which is fair, but I'm not the most comfortable trading multiple picks & young talent for a placeholder.

I do agree, Reaves is pretty high on the list for potential combo guards to add on our team that are plausible

I also wonder are we looking for a combo guard because that's what we want, or thats the only options that are primarily available?


I don't think its necessarily a positional thing and more of a skillset fit.

All three of Reaves, Simons, and Sexton can run pick and roll situations and can shoot the basketball.

The ideal archetype that Orlando needs just doesn't exist.

The idea of a "traditional point guard, that is an elite defender, can shoot, bends defenses, and distributes at a high level" cant be acquired at a real price. They need a guy that is dangerous enough to go off for 20 if he isn't covered properly, but can also work within a system next to Paolo/Franz as a operator. At base level they just have to be able to bring the ball up the floor, create offense, and shoot the basketball.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#443 » by Skybox » Wed May 7, 2025 5:54 pm

How bad is Moe's defense really? Is it just unsalvageable or can it be brought up, schemed for, etc enough to make him playable (assuming he returns at full strength - whenever that is, December?). We bounce around a lot of names, including Danny Wolf, for an example...but can we go in that kind of finesse center direction or do we really need more of a defensive and rebounding anchor?

The whole "find a rim-protecting, rebounding, switching defender, who can knock down 3's and finish lobs 5' above the rim" ain't happening...what are the potential compromises.

I've suggested Sabonis and "defense sucks"
Capela - "can't spread the floor"
Maluach - "not really a rebounder" based on one game - after averaging 11.2 per game while still learning the sport :o
Poeltl - too slow, can't switch
I mean, everyone is some kind of compromise, what is our best option to concede...to me, it's the opposite of our Guard situation (which is "Enough with the freaking lockdown guys - we need guards to also do guard things").

WCJ spreads the floor, rebounds at a high level, is big and sturdy enough to mix it up with anyone, is reliable in effort and health, and on a good team-friendly deal...no, he's not any of those except in flashes (good effort vs BOS)

what do we really need that's gettable?

For me, it's throw picks around to get Maluach. Mosely would drool over a raw piece of 7' power and instinct with that level of mobility. We've had a tremendous defense without any kind of real rim-protecting deterrent. Maybe I'm underestimating WCJ - he does do an amazing job, at times, of switching onto smaller players and staying with them briefly...I just wish he'd get 10+ rebounds per game and not really look overmatched against the really big guys...sometimes he's dunking everything, grabbing boards in traffic and just looking possessed. He's awesome in spurts when he looks like he's playing angry - maybe right after he caught an accidental (or not) elbow...when I coached my young son, who was big & skilled among the other guys at the Y, I would marvel at the difference in his performance after he took a bump or, for whatever reason, got pissed off...I would (kind of) joke that I needed to call a timeout and pinch his tricep or nipple to get him going. :lol:

Anyway, what's our Center outlook? If you think it's fine as is, skip it and just go away :roll:
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#444 » by VFX » Wed May 7, 2025 6:08 pm

Skybox wrote:How bad is Moe's defense really? Is it just unsalvageable or can it be brought up, schemed for, etc enough to make him playable (assuming he returns at full strength - whenever that is, December?). We bounce around a lot of names, including Danny Wolf, for an example...but can we go in that kind of finesse center direction or do we really need more of a defensive and rebounding anchor?

The whole "find a rim-protecting, rebounding, switching defender, who can knock down 3's and finish lobs 5' above the rim" ain't happening...what are the potential compromises.

I've suggested Sabonis and "defense sucks"
Capela - "can't spread the floor"
Maluach - "not really a rebounder" based on one game - after averaging 11.2 per game while still learning the sport :o
Poeltl - too slow, can't switch
I mean, everyone is some kind of compromise, what is our best option to concede...to me, it's the opposite of our Guard situation (which is "Enough with the freaking lockdown guys - we need guards to also do guard things").

WCJ spreads the floor, rebounds at a high level, is big and sturdy enough to mix it up with anyone, is reliable in effort and health, and on a good team-friendly deal...no, he's not any of those except in flashes (good effort vs BOS)

what do we really need that's gettable?

For me, it's throw picks around to get Maluach. Mosely would drool over a raw piece of 7' power and instinct with that level of mobility. We've had a tremendous defense without any kind of real rim-protecting deterrent. Maybe I'm underestimating WCJ - he does do an amazing job, at times, of switching onto smaller players and staying with them briefly...I just wish he'd get 10+ rebounds per game and not really look overmatched against the really big guys...sometimes he's dunking everything, grabbing boards in traffic and just looking possessed. He's awesome in spurts when he looks like he's playing angry - maybe right after he caught an accidental (or not) elbow...when I coached my young son, who was big & skilled among the other guys at the Y, I would marvel at the difference in his performance after he took a bump or, for whatever reason, got pissed off...I would (kind of) joke that I needed to call a timeout and pinch his tricep or nipple to get him going. :lol:

Anyway, what's our Center outlook? If you think it's fine as is, skip it and just go away :roll:


Poeltl to me is perfect in terms of cost, age, and skillset. I'd be OK with Turner also but is he even available?

Maluach isn't really super attainable and his instincts are not that great. A team like Toronto can select him and make Poeltl more available. The other thing is learning curve for a true Center. It's less crucial that a guy like Wolf is developing in the third spot as opposed to hoping Maluach figures it all out as a starter at 19 or whatever.

Anyway, I don't buy this argument that Orlando is in dire need of a "stretch 5". Few of those guys even exist.
No, our MAX contract level "STAR" needs to be able to stretch the floor more consistently and let Centers do Center things like protect the rim and grab rebounds efficiently. This idea to push these responsibilities onto other positions, because the more impactful guys can't, leads to overlooking common expectations for starting level players.

It's like arguing Orlando needs Channing Frye because Paolo needs to be in the paint as opposed to a better player like Tyson Chandler because your cop out expectations are on the ground floor for a guy that is supposedly leading the team.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#445 » by KillMonger » Wed May 7, 2025 7:14 pm

basketballRob wrote:80% of Trailblazer fans want to trade Simons.

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You know what's funny about that? You know something might be off when they start doing things they've never done before...Official blazers Twitter account put out an ant Simons post.... Okay no issue even though the timing is a bit..... Then they post two more in a row.... Okay at that point someone might know something

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Post#446 » by MagicTownBaller » Wed May 7, 2025 7:29 pm

When do rumors start coming out!
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Post#447 » by basketballRob » Wed May 7, 2025 7:44 pm

MagicTownBaller wrote:When do rumors start coming out!
Probably after the playoffs.

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Post#448 » by RookieStar » Wed May 7, 2025 8:43 pm

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basketballRob wrote:80% of Trailblazer fans want to trade Simons.

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You know what's funny about that? You know something might be off when they start doing things they've never done before...Official blazers Twitter account put out an ant Simons post.... Okay no issue even though the timing is a bit..... Then they post two more in a row.... Okay at that point someone might know something

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Simons post? Like what?
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#449 » by basketballRob » Wed May 7, 2025 8:56 pm

Now they posted the top 5 blocks of the season, and they repeated Paolo getting blocked 5 times. It says rejecting the offer. Now they are trolling.

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#450 » by KillMonger » Wed May 7, 2025 9:28 pm

basketballRob wrote:Now they posted the top 5 blocks of the season, and they repeated Paolo getting blocked 5 times. It says rejecting the offer. Now they are trolling.

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I don't know what they think he's worth but if he was worth a lot he would've been traded before now... To me it's clear he's walking they're engaging in some clever subterfuge

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Post#451 » by eyriq » Wed May 7, 2025 9:38 pm

basketballRob wrote:Now they posted the top 5 blocks of the season, and they repeated Paolo getting blocked 5 times. It says rejecting the offer. Now they are trolling.

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This is actually hilarious. What is going on?
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Post#452 » by basketballRob » Wed May 7, 2025 9:47 pm

eyriq wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Now they posted the top 5 blocks of the season, and they repeated Paolo getting blocked 5 times. It says rejecting the offer. Now they are trolling.

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This is actually hilarious. What is going on?
It's probably a coincidence

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#453 » by KillMonger » Thu May 8, 2025 6:02 am

I keep thinking about that boston series man.....
game 1 at Half: Orl 49 Bos 48
game 2 at Half: Orl 47 Bos 50
game 4 at Half: Orl 48 Bos 53
game 5 at Half: Orl 49 Bos 47

so close, yet so far.....it's like for 24-36 minutes or so we can compete with these guys lol
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Post#454 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu May 8, 2025 6:54 am

basketballRob wrote:Now they posted the top 5 blocks of the season, and they repeated Paolo getting blocked 5 times. It says rejecting the offer. Now they are trolling.

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That's just 1-3 team social media crew guys, probably 1 or 2 just trainees, whos only interaction with the gm is, saying hello.
No, need for conspiracy stuff.
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Post#455 » by Ducklett » Thu May 8, 2025 6:55 am

We cast a spell on the Cavs and the Celtics. They are both a total trainwreck.
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Post#456 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu May 8, 2025 7:00 am

Ducklett wrote:We cast a spell on the Cavs and the Celtics. They are both a total trainwreck.


Cavs are just injured. Boston looks not hungry anymore. Knicks show. **** regular season defense. In the playoffs everyone defends on a high level. Another reason not to built your team around defense first.
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Post#457 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 8, 2025 7:18 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:We cast a spell on the Cavs and the Celtics. They are both a total trainwreck.


Cavs are just injured. Boston looks not hungry anymore. Knicks show. **** regular season defense. In the playoffs everyone defends on a high level. Another reason not to built your team around defense first.


That has been my mantra for ages. You can force bad defender into defending better ( Towns for example ) you can't force bad offensive player into playing good offense, because you can't force skills.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#458 » by Ducklett » Thu May 8, 2025 8:16 am

pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:We cast a spell on the Cavs and the Celtics. They are both a total trainwreck.


Cavs are just injured. Boston looks not hungry anymore. Knicks show. **** regular season defense. In the playoffs everyone defends on a high level. Another reason not to built your team around defense first.


That has been my mantra for ages. You can force bad defender into defending better ( Towns for example ) you can't force bad offensive player into playing good offense, because you can't force skills.


Denver could have used some of that defense tonight. Good lord they got ran out of the building.
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Post#459 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 8, 2025 8:25 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Cavs are just injured. Boston looks not hungry anymore. Knicks show. **** regular season defense. In the playoffs everyone defends on a high level. Another reason not to built your team around defense first.


That has been my mantra for ages. You can force bad defender into defending better ( Towns for example ) you can't force bad offensive player into playing good offense, because you can't force skills.


Denver could have used some of that defense tonight. Good lord they got ran out of the building.


Denver can hardly scrap enough nba level players for starting 5. Off bench it's Westbrook, at age of 36.
In mean time MP jr is broken and useless right now.

Take out Jokić and that's 25 wins team.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#460 » by Skybox » Thu May 8, 2025 10:30 am

pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:We cast a spell on the Cavs and the Celtics. They are both a total trainwreck.


Cavs are just injured. Boston looks not hungry anymore. Knicks show. **** regular season defense. In the playoffs everyone defends on a high level. Another reason not to built your team around defense first.


That has been my mantra for ages. You can force bad defender into defending better ( Towns for example ) you can't force bad offensive player into playing good offense, because you can't force skills.


That’s how I look at Paolo (and Simons) too…we question what skills can actually be taught/developed at this level-not dribbling, not court vision…but I have no doubt that Paolo can dial up defensive intensity when it counts. He’ll never have Isaac ball-hawking instincts, but just his physical makeup means that good to great team defense is always a possibility …that’s when the MVP talk starts.

I’m not saying you can have a roster of “hustle” defenders, but ORL already has a multitude of really skilled defensive players that make that dynamic plausible.

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