Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVI, Mods Close)

BelgianMagic · Post #461 » by **BelgianMagic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:08 pm

I know I'm gonna get shot for this, but Biedrins really isn't a bad player .. Sure, he's not worth 11mil, but he's not a Duhon. He's a legit C, and would be a great backup

SubyWill · Post #462 » by **SubyWill** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:08 pm

We will be a sure 1st round exit if this trade happens. I guarantee it.

Then what? Dwight still leaves and we just ruined the franchise for a VERY LONG time.

I really, really hope this does not happen.

Tayswagzzz · Post #463 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Reggie Theus wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:As long as we get Ellis and Dwight commits is what is important. Dwight gets the sidekick he's wanted.

and his BFFFFFFFFF Jameer is still in orlando

Haha yup. Jameer/Ellis/BBD all with him.

MagicFan41 · Post #464 » by **MagicFan41** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I think people really underestimate Wright. On a team with Dwight down low and Ellis penetrating, he will get a LOT of wide open 3-looks, and he can shoot the hell out of the ball as well, Ryno style. I honestly would love to get Okafur back at the 4 to be honest....that would be a sick, sick defensive frontcourt.

this is the same reason i called you out on lakers and ellis post. you do not put together ellis and kobe and hope they produce the same. you can not put together okafOr and dwight together and think that would be a solid defensive front court.

I didn't say the Lakers Ellis thing WOULD or SHOULD happen.....it just wouldn't have shocked me, given what the Lakers need and what GSW was looking for. As for a Dwight-Emeka frontcourt, what is your rationale as to why it wouldn't be a good defensive front court?

Nyce_1 · Post #465 » by **Nyce_1** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

magicman123 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Ellis & Wright's contracts expire in summer of 2013. Biendrins also has a player option for that year. It's possible that we have those three players contracts coming off the books that year; including Jameer (if he's still here. Only contracts on the books would be Duhon, JRich, & Davis.

We could be swimming in cap space that year!

duhons contract is only guaranteed for $1.5mil if we waive him

Summer of 2013:

JRich & Davis are our only contracts on the books (if we get Biendrins and he opts-out). Roughly $13M, giving us something around $45M to fill a roster.

RickB-Orlando · Post #466 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Ballah wrote:
Idunkonyou2 wrote:So basically we trade a young up and coming PF, great 6th man and a SF who can get hot any time for Ellis and trash?

Sorry, but I don't like the deal. We better be getting a lot more, as in Lee, Ariza and Okafor too.

No you trade all that for DWIGHT FREAKING HOWARD.

Yep, this is what it really breaks down to.

Rick Rolled · Post #467 » by **Rick Rolled** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏ @MisterRudolph
For the record, I agree w/ any Nets fans that believe that this could be a play to get the Nets to up their offer for Dwight, absolutely

Last Guardian · Post #468 » by **Last Guardian** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:09 pm

DJRajX wrote:Again, I would hate to lose Redick and Ryan... but freakin do the deal to get Monta... if it keeps Dwight here and gives us a 2nd star.

Dwight won't guarantee anything and we aren't getting a 2nd star.

magicman123 · Post #469 » by **magicman123** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Cap-wise this deal doesn't make us worse or better .. Only in 2 years when Biedrins will have a PO of 11mil, the year Hedo has that 6mil thing

it says after next year biedrins has $9mil in player performance incentives, which is listed as unlikely, so im guess that last year is worthless for him, only next year is guranteed

D12VCMagic · Post #470 » by **D12VCMagic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm

This is an interesting idea, since Golden State can clear a ton of cap by dumping Biedrins and Wright on us and getting Kaman.

But who takes back Hedo? No way the Hornets do and if the Warriors do it defeats the purpose of the deal for them unless they really like Kaman.

Reverse_Angle · Post #471 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:
Reverse_Angle wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I think people really underestimate Wright. On a team with Dwight down low and Ellis penetrating, he will get a LOT of wide open 3-looks, and he can shoot the hell out of the ball as well, Ryno style. I honestly would love to get Okafur back at the 4 to be honest....that would be a sick, sick defensive frontcourt.

this is the same reason i called you out on lakers and ellis post. you do not put together ellis and kobe and hope they produce the same. you can not put together okafOr and dwight together and think that would be a solid defensive front court.

I didn't say the Lakers Ellis thing WOULD or SHOULD happen.....it just wouldn't have shocked me, given what the Lakers need and what GSW was looking for. As for a Dwight-Emeka frontcourt, what is your rationale as to why it wouldn't be a good defensive front court?

we shall talk about it some other day, i am too hyped up about a possible trade. :wink:

Post #472 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:11 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7g3qr9q

This is the trade! I'm sure of it! Did anyone beat me to it?

PeePee la Fritz · Post #473 » by **PeePee la Fritz** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:12 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
magicman123 wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Ellis & Wright's contracts expire in summer of 2013. Biendrins also has a player option for that year. It's possible that we have those three players contracts coming off the books that year; including Jameer (if he's still here. Only contracts on the books would be Duhon, JRich, & Davis.

We could be swimming in cap space that year!

duhons contract is only guaranteed for $1.5mil if we waive him

Summer of 2013:

JRich & Davis are our only contracts on the books (if we get Biendrins and he opts-out). Roughly $13M, giving us something around $45M to fill a roster.

Beidrins is not opting out of his contract. He will get nowhere near $13 mill from anyone else

legacyofdestiny · Post #474 » by **legacyofdestiny** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:12 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:This is an interesting idea, since Golden State can clear a ton of cap by dumping Biedrins and Wright on us and getting Kaman.

But who takes back Hedo? No way the Hornets do and if the Warriors do it defeats the purpose of the deal for them unless they really like Kaman.

If they get Kaman, Hedo does a lot more for them then Biedrins.

Reverse_Angle · Post #475 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:12 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:This is an interesting idea, since Golden State can clear a ton of cap by dumping Biedrins and Wright on us and getting Kaman.

But who takes back Hedo? No way the Hornets do and if the Warriors do it defeats the purpose of the deal for them unless they really like Kaman.

I agree. for that reason, i am skeptical about the exact nature of what is being discussed.

Tayswagzzz · Post #476 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 pm

eyriq wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7g3qr9q

This is the trade! I'm sure of it! Did anyone beat me to it?

Great trade. For us. haha

jezzer45 · Post #477 » by **jezzer45** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 pm

so wait this went from being on the verge to I think magic trying to get nets to up the ante?

kasedafk_1 · Post #478 » by **kasedafk_1** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:13 pm

Ellis is not only the scorer we need but also the playmaker. He was tearing up the clippers yesterday, but he did have some trouble when del Negro put bledsoe on him.
I'll miss ryno, Redick and Q but if this rumor is true you pull the trigger! Ellis is a beast.

xenith · Post #479 » by **xenith** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:14 pm

jameer and monta ? not a good idea also gave up tooo much pieces

Reverse_Angle · Post #480 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:14 pm

eyriq wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7g3qr9q

This is the trade! I'm sure of it! Did anyone beat me to it?

why do noh take on hedo after dumping kaman?