The case for Jonathan Isaac

[The Real Dalic]

I've never seen that quote. But if that's the case then he doesn't mind sliding past 4.

Also I don't think a guy that got offers from Kentucky and Florida (and went to FSU), as well as somebody who in his head might not slip past 4 in Phoenix cares about the bright lights. Phoenix is as medium/small of a market as we are.

True, but he also gets more exposure right now in PHX because of Booker and the fact that he'd be in the top 5.

lol, Booker alone doesn't get them more exposure. Give or take a few games isn't going to change the national attention they get.

You have to be in LA or New York or be on a strong playoff team. Simple as that.

Booker and Bledsoe are definitely more exciting names than anyone on our team besides maybe Gordon, and he only gets attention for his dunking and not his skills as a player. However, you're right in that it's not enough of a difference to make note of. But the higher he is on the draft board, the more money he makes off the bat. Plus, he gets more attention as a top five player than he does outside of it. But it seems like he's not that kind of person from what his coach, media members, and posters have been saying about him.

[Statlanta]

The argument I would take is if we pursue Isaac we would upgrade Jeff Green's spot knowing we won't pursue a player of his type. Also it would soften the blow if AG gets a high offer in RFA and we aren't comfortable matching.

[Skin]

I think it is Tatum for Orlando, which is a nice pick. Looking like - Fultz - Jackson- Ball- Isaac- Fox - Tatum if I had to guess based on today's info.

Tatum could be a really great player for us. I'm not going to dog him as much as I did before. But I wish someone would make a "The case for Jayson Tatum" thread because I could use some good points to overcast my doubts.

Here's my best effort with limited research:
-if you're looking for a "two way player" than Tatum is probably the only candidate outside of Jackson in the top 10 to fill that role (I don't consider Isaac a "two way player"). For example,
-Tatum posted solid blocks and steals rate and his rebounding percentage was 19.7%, which is supposedly pretty good
-Tatum's defensive rating (97.8) and defensive win share (1.8) are supposedly pretty good
-He actually weighs more (and it looks like its strength instead of mass) than Isaac which means he has an advantage on both ends of the floor
-As a pick-and-roll ball-handler, he managed to create 1.25 PPP on passes, per Synergy Sports, so he's not just a scorer (NOTE: he didn't pass much on his PnR opportunities, but he passes well when he does give the ball up)
-He's a better free throw shooter than Isaac so if Isaac's free throw percentage bodes positively for Isaac's outside shooting, then
doesn't Tatum's better free throw percentage bode even more positively for his outside shooting?
-he scored at a high level compared to other top prospects, but with a lower usage rate than almost all of them

Here's a tweet I saw that showed how Tatum's defense really isn't as good as his average showed. Some good games mixed in with bad.

Isaac on the other hand is pretty much a dominator.

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[Skin]

Read this on the Suns board. FWIW...

FWIW, Gambo has heard that Isaac made a private workout for Orlando. He says that is not true that we have given Isaac a promise. Orlando picks #6.

Who is Gambo? Any link?

He has said that on his radio show.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gambo987?lang=es

[MagicFan101]

True, but he also gets more exposure right now in PHX because of Booker and the fact that he'd be in the top 5.

lol, Booker alone doesn't get them more exposure. Give or take a few games isn't going to change the national attention they get.

You have to be in LA or New York or be on a strong playoff team. Simple as that.

Booker and Bledsoe are definitely more exciting names than anyone on our team besides maybe Gordon, and he only gets attention for his dunking and not his skills as a player. However, you're right in that it's not enough of a difference to make note of. But the higher he is on the draft board, the more money he makes off the bat. Plus, he gets more attention as a top five player than he does outside of it. But it seems like he's not that kind of person from what his coach, media members, and posters have been saying about him.

More exciting isn't the same as more exposure.

Excluding NBA TV, Orlando had 1 nationally televised game and Phoenix had 4 last season.

A 3 game difference doesn't make waves in total exposure.

[SOUL]

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Suns reporter with 35k followers.

Apparently Isaac WAS here to work out with us, not visit family.

[RookieStar]

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Suns reporter with 35k followers.

Apparently Isaac WAS here to work out with us, not visit family.

So... "somebody lyin" then about not working out outside of top-4?

[SOUL]

So... "somebody lyin" then about not working out outside of top-4?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Suns reporter with 35k followers.

Apparently Isaac WAS here to work out with us, not visit family.

So... "somebody lyin" then about not working out outside of top-4?

or someone lyin that Isaac worked out for us.. with social media today there is no way it wouldn't have been leaked by someone. there are fans on twitter that have stood outside the amway players parking garage to see whose working out lol.

[SOUL]

or someone lyin that Isaac worked out for us.. with social media today there is no way it wouldn't have been leaked by someone. there are fans on twitter that have stood outside the amway players parking garage to see whose working out lol.

True, who really knows. Just going on the most common sense to me though. Don't think a Suns radio guy would have much to gain reporting that, but can picture him definitely hearing Isaac's next stops. But who knows?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

or someone lyin that Isaac worked out for us.. with social media today there is no way it wouldn't have been leaked by someone. there are fans on twitter that have stood outside the amway players parking garage to see whose working out lol.

True, who really knows. Just going on the most common sense to me though. Don't think a Suns radio guy would have much to gain reporting that, but can picture him definitely hearing Isaac's next stops. But who knows?

end of the day its not a HUGE deal.

I would LOVE DSJ
I would be HAPPY with Tatum
I would be CONTENT with Isaac

as long as its one of those 3 I can see positives for every one

[cedric76]

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Suns reporter with 35k followers.

Apparently Isaac WAS here to work out with us, not visit family.

So... "somebody lyin" then about not working out outside of top-4?

It s not lying

But if Isaac had a great workout here and doesn't want to play for sac.
By saying that he only want to work for top 4 this remove sac out of the equation.


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[Nyce_1]

Read this on the Suns board. FWIW...

Who is Gambo? Any link?

He has said that on his radio show.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gambo987?lang=es

Good ****.

[Knightro]

idk if i would rely on him when it comes to shooting, he's a capable shooter but that's about it really....i believe he had a 17% shooting month and another month that he didn't shoot well but i forgot the percentage but it was low....Like i said though he's capable but i'm not sure it'll translate, i mean for example Brandon Ingram was a much better shooter than Issac in college i believe he shot like 40 or 41 percent from 3......only to shoot 30 percent in the NBA and shooting was brandon's most translatable skill at the time in my eyes. Then again, no two guys are the same so maybe it'll be different for Isaac but for me personally i wouldn't rely on that, but he has the foundation.

Couple things...

There were some warning signs that Ingram's 3PT% at Duke was a little fluky.

First of all, he only shot .682 from the FT line. Sub 70% from the line is a red flag for me that the 3PT stroke might not be as pure as the numbers would indicate. Secondly, he only shot .462 from two which is another remarkably low number for a top college prospect.

Isaac shot .593 from two and .780 from the line. Tatum shot .504 from two and .849 from the line.

The only type of shot Ingram really proved he could shoot well during his one year at Duke was the 20 feet 9 inches college three.

Not surprisingly, Ingram's best shooting area this past year with the Lakers was 16-23 feet, where he hit at a .394, remarkably close to his .410 clip from the college three.

[nymets1]

I've been very interested starting this morning of visiting the Phoenix Suns forum once I heard Isaac isn't going to workout for any teams outside the top 4 and fearing that the Suns could draft him at 4th. I think we should hope Isaac is available at the 6th pick. I have no fear about the Sixers or Kings drafting Isaac. Its the Phoenix Suns that are the 1 team ahead of us who can draft Isaac.

It feels like the stakes are so high right now that Isaac stays available at the 6th pick. Phoenix Suns have me very nervous right now, I just hope they fall in love with Tatum or if they can get Jackson.

[Skin]

I've been very interested starting this morning of visiting the Phoenix Suns forum once I heard Isaac isn't going to workout for any teams outside the top 4 and fearing that the Suns could draft him at 4th. I think we should hope Isaac is available at the 6th pick. I have no fear about the Sixers or Kings drafting Isaac. Its the Phoenix Suns that are the 1 team ahead of us who can draft Isaac.

It feels like the stakes are so high right now that Isaac stays available at the 6th pick. Phoenix Suns have me very nervous right now, I just hope they fall in love with Tatum or if they can get Jackson.

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Suns working out Tatum twice too.

[nymets1]

If the Suns can witness in front of them Tatum playing good defense and looking like he got better at defense, Than it be easy for the Suns to take Tatum. If they have concerns about Tatum's defense, i'm concerned the Suns could take Isaac.

I was at LA fitness earlier playing basketball, i saw this guy he looked very similar to Isaac.

[OrlandoDream]

I've been very interested starting this morning of visiting the Phoenix Suns forum once I heard Isaac isn't going to workout for any teams outside the top 4 and fearing that the Suns could draft him at 4th. I think we should hope Isaac is available at the 6th pick. I have no fear about the Sixers or Kings drafting Isaac. Its the Phoenix Suns that are the 1 team ahead of us who can draft Isaac.

It feels like the stakes are so high right now that Isaac stays available at the 6th pick. Phoenix Suns have me very nervous right now, I just hope they fall in love with Tatum or if they can get Jackson.

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Suns working out Tatum twice too.

Jeez the smokescreens are DEFCON level 1 real! Now I find out that Isaac worked out for us and we heard nothing? Sota writers saying that he won't accept a workout for them so does that mean that we gave him a guarantee?

My theory is that Jonathan Isaac was our target from the start and it intensified when we hired the Man/Ham duo. DSJ might be smokescreen just to hide our interest in Isaac. But with the Suns working him our twice, they could snag him early. Of course, that is assuming the top 3 go Fultz, Ball, Jackson bc PHX will snag Jackson if he slips.

This draft night is gonna be insane.

Edit: Didn't know Tatum was a double dipped. Isaac officially ahead of him now for me.

[Nyce_1]

I've been very interested starting this morning of visiting the Phoenix Suns forum once I heard Isaac isn't going to workout for any teams outside the top 4 and fearing that the Suns could draft him at 4th. I think we should hope Isaac is available at the 6th pick. I have no fear about the Sixers or Kings drafting Isaac. Its the Phoenix Suns that are the 1 team ahead of us who can draft Isaac.

It feels like the stakes are so high right now that Isaac stays available at the 6th pick. Phoenix Suns have me very nervous right now, I just hope they fall in love with Tatum or if they can get Jackson.

Read on Twitter

Suns working out Tatum twice too.

Jeez the smokescreens are DEFCON level 1 real! Now I find out that Isaac worked out for us and we heard nothing? Sota writers saying that he won't accept a workout for them so does that mean that we gave him a guarantee?

My theory is that Jonathan Isaac was our target from the start and it intensified when we hired the Man/Ham duo. DSJ might be smokescreen just to hide our interest in Isaac. But with the Suns working him our twice, they could snag him early. Of course, that is assuming the top 3 go Fultz, Ball, Jackson bc PHX will snag Jackson if he slips.

This draft night is gonna be insane.

Edit: Didn't know Tatum was a double dipped. Isaac officially ahead of him now for me.

If you pay attention to Mocks, there is no hiding our interest in Isaac. Everyone and they mama know Ham likes long, versatile, athletic players and Isaac is our target.

At this point, if he's on the board and we dont pick him, I'd be surprised, but encouraged because our management went for someone outside of their comfort zone.

[Furinkazan]

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Jesus ...smokescreens everywhere :/