2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[Tarheel]

Being the overall worst team , the most probable draft spot is 5th. There is no real point to trying to lose

I’d agree in any other year than this. There are 5 top tier prospects in this draft, IMO. The worst record guarantees one of those 5.

[MasterGMer]

I really want a high lottery pick. But I hate tanking.

Now we have no choice but signing a Free Agent PG. Isaiah Thomas is playing on team USA. And he should be ready to play in the NBA.

Do we know what direction Magic is heading? We have no Fultz and now AG. Who is going to play PG for us, besides Cole?

[JBSouthpaw]

I really want a high lottery pick. But I hate tanking.

Now we have no choice but signing a Free Agent PG. Isaiah Thomas is playing on team USA. And he should be ready to play in the NBA.

Do we know what direction Magic is heading? We have no Fultz and now AG. Who is going to play PG for us, besides Cole?

Who are you cutting to sign IT? Bacon or Clark? both are needed right now.

[basketballRob]

I really want a high lottery pick. But I hate tanking.

Now we have no choice but signing a Free Agent PG. Isaiah Thomas is playing on team USA. And he should be ready to play in the NBA.

Do we know what direction Magic is heading? We have no Fultz and now AG. Who is going to play PG for us, besides Cole?

Who are you cutting to sign IT? Bacon or Clark? both are needed right now.

Thomas was horrible last year and would really help the tank.

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[Knightro]

Who are you cutting to sign IT? Bacon or Clark? both are needed right now.

They don't have to cut anyone because they have disabled player exceptions for both Isaac and Fultz.

[JBSouthpaw]

Who are you cutting to sign IT? Bacon or Clark? both are needed right now.

They don't have to cut anyone because they have disabled player exceptions for both Isaac and Fultz.

I don't believe that is correct, the exception is related to $$ not roster spots.

[Knightro]

Who are you cutting to sign IT? Bacon or Clark? both are needed right now.

They don't have to cut anyone because they have disabled player exceptions for both Isaac and Fultz.

I don't believe that is correct, the exception is related to $$ not roster spots.

Is that right? I was under the impression they could sign extra players since guys were ruled out for the year.

[Bensational]

Yeah aren’t Fultz and Isaac on the IL for the season which frees up their spots?

[JBSouthpaw]

They don't have to cut anyone because they have disabled player exceptions for both Isaac and Fultz.

I don't believe that is correct, the exception is related to $$ not roster spots.

Is that right? I was under the impression they could sign extra players since guys were ruled out for the year.

I looked at 3 or 4 explanations of the DPE and none of them talked to the roster, they all talked $$. Realgm, larry Coon and 1 other.

So I wouldn't bet my house on it, but that is how I read it.

[IllMagic04]

We need to move EF and Birch. Im actually fine holding on to AG. Im fine waiting till the deadline too. Obviously I dont wish injury on anyone but by the longer we wait the longer theres a chance for a contender to loses a key piece to injury. Thats where Evan and Birtch could be valuable enough to get a decent return. I think Evan could net a late first rounder.

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[drsd]

Yeah aren’t Fultz and Isaac on the IL for the season which frees up their spots?

No. To free up their roster slots, they would need to be waived. For example, Timofey Mozgov is a Magician this year. But he was waived and thus his roster slot is free.

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[pepe1991]

They don't have to cut anyone because they have disabled player exceptions for both Isaac and Fultz.

I don't believe that is correct, the exception is related to $$ not roster spots.

Is that right? I was under the impression they could sign extra players since guys were ruled out for the year.

DPE is literally nothing else but promission from a league for a team over a cap to add new player in ordered price tag as FA or via trade. Also it's very strict who they can actually add.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/warriors-granted-disabled-player-exception.html

Hoops rumors ( easly one of best nba pages) explains in details specifics about a rule but part that you are interested in:

The disabled player exception doesn’t give a team an extra roster spot, but it allows the club to add a player without using cap space to do so. It can be used to sign a free agent, to claim a player off waivers, or to acquire a player in a trade. However, it can only be used on one player and can only accommodate a player on a one-year deal. A free agent signee can’t get a multiyear contract, and any trade or waiver target must be in the final year of his contract.

[drsd]

Thought-line story on a Warriors - Magic trade idea:

This Magic-Warriors trade gives Golden State a needed shakeup

Link: shake up after the first few weeks

The trade idea is:

Golden State Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic, Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier

Orlando Magic Receive: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Orlando would be horrible with that trade, and would illustrate an intention to tank-out the season. But the result is the acquisition of a potential elite player in addition to the improved lottery odds that comes with this deal.

Short term Orlando is:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mason
Wiggins/Bacon/Mané
Gordon/Oubre/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Birch/Bamba

There is little to like about that roster except for the potential for "player development". As such, a package of Gordon and Aminu for more youth assets would allow the Magic to start three-rookies: Anthony, Okeke, Wiseman.

In conclusion: this is an interesting trade that is more than just-tanking. Moving forward the Magic would have an interesting set of players to try to reset with next season. Come late in the year, say February 2022, we could be looking at this sort of rotation:
Fultz/Anthony/Carter-Williams
Wiggins/rookie#1/Bacon
Oubre/rookie#2/vet
Isaac/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Bamba/vet

It is hard to write-off this trade idea.

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[IllMagic04]

Thought-line story on a Warriors - Magic trade idea:

This Magic-Warriors trade gives Golden State a needed shakeup

Link: shake up after the first few weeks

The trade idea is:

Golden State Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic, Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier

Orlando Magic Receive: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Orlando would be horrible with that trade, and would illustrate an intention to tank-out the season. But the result is the acquisition of a potential elite player in addition to the improved lottery odds that comes with this deal.

Short term Orlando is:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mason
Wiggins/Bacon/Mané
Gordon/Oubre/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Birch/Bamba

There is little to like about that roster except for the potential for "player development". As such, a package of Gordon and Aminu for more youth assets would allow the Magic to start three-rookies: Anthony, Okeke, Wiseman.

In conclusion: this is an interesting trade that is more than just-tanking. Moving forward the Magic would have an interesting set of players to try to reset with next season. Come late in the year, say February 2022, we could be looking at this sort of rotation:
Fultz/Anthony/Carter-Williams
Wiggins/rookie#1/Bacon
Oubre/rookie#2/vet
Isaac/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Bamba/vet

It is hard to write-off this trade idea.

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That be a great trade by Golden st but I just cant see them moving Wiseman.

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[tiderulz]

Thought-line story on a Warriors - Magic trade idea:

This Magic-Warriors trade gives Golden State a needed shakeup

Link: shake up after the first few weeks

The trade idea is:

Golden State Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic, Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier

Orlando Magic Receive: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Orlando would be horrible with that trade, and would illustrate an intention to tank-out the season. But the result is the acquisition of a potential elite player in addition to the improved lottery odds that comes with this deal.

Short term Orlando is:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mason
Wiggins/Bacon/Mané
Gordon/Oubre/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Birch/Bamba

There is little to like about that roster except for the potential for "player development". As such, a package of Gordon and Aminu for more youth assets would allow the Magic to start three-rookies: Anthony, Okeke, Wiseman.

In conclusion: this is an interesting trade that is more than just-tanking. Moving forward the Magic would have an interesting set of players to try to reset with next season. Come late in the year, say February 2022, we could be looking at this sort of rotation:
Fultz/Anthony/Carter-Williams
Wiggins/rookie#1/Bacon
Oubre/rookie#2/vet
Isaac/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Bamba/vet

It is hard to write-off this trade idea.

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i would still want more. Vuc is playing very well, Evan and Ross help Warriors with shooting and depth. Meanwhile, Orlando gets Wiseman, but also has to swallow 2 years of Wiggins ($64mil+). Oubre's play just continues the tank

[Skybox]

Thought-line story on a Warriors - Magic trade idea:

This Magic-Warriors trade gives Golden State a needed shakeup

Link: shake up after the first few weeks

The trade idea is:

Golden State Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic, Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier

Orlando Magic Receive: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Orlando would be horrible with that trade, and would illustrate an intention to tank-out the season. But the result is the acquisition of a potential elite player in addition to the improved lottery odds that comes with this deal.

Short term Orlando is:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mason
Wiggins/Bacon/Mané
Gordon/Oubre/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Birch/Bamba

There is little to like about that roster except for the potential for "player development". As such, a package of Gordon and Aminu for more youth assets would allow the Magic to start three-rookies: Anthony, Okeke, Wiseman.

In conclusion: this is an interesting trade that is more than just-tanking. Moving forward the Magic would have an interesting set of players to try to reset with next season. Come late in the year, say February 2022, we could be looking at this sort of rotation:
Fultz/Anthony/Carter-Williams
Wiggins/rookie#1/Bacon
Oubre/rookie#2/vet
Isaac/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Bamba/vet

It is hard to write-off this trade idea.

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i would still want more. Vuc is playing very well, Evan and Ross help Warriors with shooting and depth. Meanwhile, Orlando gets Wiseman, but also has to swallow 2 years of Wiggins ($64mil+). Oubre's play just continues the tank

I'd probably do it just because I'm bored Oubre has a renaissance every once in a while and there's no denying Wiggins' attributes...it'd be something to talk about. Wiseman, Isaac, Fultz, '21 high pick, Cole... is certainly an interesting young group.

[cedric76]

Thought-line story on a Warriors - Magic trade idea:

This Magic-Warriors trade gives Golden State a needed shakeup

Link: shake up after the first few weeks

The trade idea is:

Golden State Warriors Receive: Nikola Vucevic, Terrence Ross, Evan Fournier

Orlando Magic Receive: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr.

Orlando would be horrible with that trade, and would illustrate an intention to tank-out the season. But the result is the acquisition of a potential elite player in addition to the improved lottery odds that comes with this deal.

Short term Orlando is:
Anthony/Carter-Williams/Mason
Wiggins/Bacon/Mané
Gordon/Oubre/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Birch/Bamba

There is little to like about that roster except for the potential for "player development". As such, a package of Gordon and Aminu for more youth assets would allow the Magic to start three-rookies: Anthony, Okeke, Wiseman.

In conclusion: this is an interesting trade that is more than just-tanking. Moving forward the Magic would have an interesting set of players to try to reset with next season. Come late in the year, say February 2022, we could be looking at this sort of rotation:
Fultz/Anthony/Carter-Williams
Wiggins/rookie#1/Bacon
Oubre/rookie#2/vet
Isaac/Okeke/Clark
Wiseman/Bamba/vet

It is hard to write-off this trade idea.

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WE can do FAR better than that

Terrible return

[jonbob17]

Wiggins is finally starting to play like a $20M a year player. His contract doesn't look quite so bad anymore. Of course that was probably Golden State's plan.

I don't particularly care for Wiseman, but I would definitely do that deal or even better the Minny pick instead of Wiseman. I can't see Golden State making the move though. They are either keeping Wiseman/Minny pick for a package deal for the next tortured star, or they are using both to turbo charge the next gen Warriors (rebuild).

[MagicFan101]

Should we close this and start a 2021 Trade Deadline thread?

[SpiderMunn]

Wiggins is finally starting to play like a $20M a year player. His contract doesn't look quite so bad anymore. Of course that was probably Golden State's plan.

I don't particularly care for Wiseman, but I would definitely do that deal or even better the Minny pick instead of Wiseman. I can't see Golden State making the move though. They are either keeping Wiseman/Minny pick for a package deal for the next tortured star, or they are using both to turbo charge the next gen Warriors (rebuild).

problem is he makes 29.5 this year, and 31.5 and 33.6 the following two. He is playing better lately though.