2023-2024 Regular Season Game 30: Philadelphia 76ers (20-9) at Orlando Magic (18-11) - 7pm

[thelead]

Cole is a good scorer (on most nights) but he leaves so much to be desired… He can’t really run an offense so that limits the team offense a ton AND he can’t play defense. That’s why we miss Ingles so much.

[basketballRob]

AB looked like he passed on a couple of threes tonight. He needs to continue to let them fly even if you've missed a couple.

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[ibraheim718]

I just don't like the quality of the looks and I don't like it when Banchero and or Wagner dribble the ball too much if at all on the perimeter.

I get that, but clearly you watch the games.

This is what those two guys have done all season long. They're both heavy isolation/attack switches/initiate quasi pick and roll guys every single game.

Philly is a very well coached defensive team (even without Embiid) and the Magic do not have the necessary 3PT shooting to counter a consistently packed lane.

Throw in a bunch of turnovers that led to run outs the other way and this is what you get some nights. Just happened against Miami a few games ago too.

They just need to make a move if they feel what they need (a ball handling play maker) isn't on the team or isn't ready. You're going to start ingraining habits.

[ibraheim718]

I mean you CAN'T disagree with stats man... 33.9 percent from 3 (which will be lower after this game) that is the 3rd lowest in the NBA.

They attempt 29.6 3s per game which is 2nd to last in the NBA, whilst only make 10 3s per game which is second to last (which likely will be dead last after this game as well).

So stats show this is an atrocious 3 point shooting team

18-11 a bunch of 23 year olds. Argue with that stat.

Lol, you argued about the team wasn't struggling to score because of 3s (which was the crux of the argument and has a pretty obvious problem since the end of the streak). I give you stats that are very troubling as to why the offense struggles.

Now all of sudden you're switching it to "yeah, they're 18-12!" What does that have to do with anything we're initially talking about?

Yes, this is a young team that has talent and has a good record. But my goodness their offense is massively restricted with the lack of team shooting from 3 to make scoring easier. It's just a fact.

No no no.. I argued that the offense isn't providing high quality looks from 3. You can scroll back and reread it.

[BlueBalls]

Bro... Houstan 40% from 3 Suggs 37% from 3 and Banchero 38% from 3.

You do realizethe Magic are a bottom 3, 3 point shooting team. This team is a horrendous shooting team right now.

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

Are you also a flat-earther?

[Knightro]

Assuming his beef with Paolo is squashed and wouldn't be an issue, I think Dejounte Murray would be my top target in a trade.

-Just turned 27 years old
-Four years left on his contract at 28.5M AAV which is more than workable
-The shooting piece has progressed up to 37.4% on over 6 attempts a night
-Has shown ability to play off the ball as needed (over 20 PPG playing SG for ATL)
-Just two years ago averaged 9.2 APG as a full time PG
-Still a plus defender and I expect that would uptick again on a team where defense is a priority rather than ATL

It would take a lot to get him, but if you can somehow make it work without Paolo/Franz/Suggs/Black, I think you have to do it.

If it's too expensive, or not a personality fit with Paolo, I'd be very interested in Quickley for cheaper.

If that wasn't an option either, I'd be interested in the Tyus Jones/Corey Kispert option as well.

[ibraheim718]

Assuming his beef with Paolo is squashed and wouldn't be an issue, I think Dejounte Murray would be my top target in a trade.

-Just turned 27 years old
-Four years left on his contract at 28.5M AAV which is more than workable
-The shooting piece has progressed up to 37.4% on over 6 attempts a night
-Has shown ability to play off the ball as needed (over 20 PPG playing SG for ATL)
-Just two years ago averaged 9.2 APG as a full time PG
-Still a plus defender and I expect that would uptick again on a team where defense is a priority rather than ATL

It would take a lot to get him, but if you can somehow make it work without Paolo/Franz/Suggs/Black, I think you have to do it.

If it's too expensive, or not a personality fit with Paolo, I'd be very interested in Quickley for cheaper.

If that wasn't an option either, I'd be interested in the Tyus Jones/Corey Kispert option as well.

Quick is more of a spot up/floater guy.. he won't relieve much of the playmaking pressure.

Does Murray have an NTC?

[ibraheim718]

You do realizethe Magic are a bottom 3, 3 point shooting team. This team is a horrendous shooting team right now.

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting. The Magic struggle in half court sets because the half court sets suck. You can go ahead and say "well Philly shot the ball x amount of times for x amount of makes" but I'll counter Philly's looks weren't as bad as Orlando's looks because their offense is crisper and quicker. They run their ball screens with purpose (handler going downhill) the Magic run ball screens for Wagner and Banchero and they start dribbling the ball side to side instead of going hard in one direction... next thing you know there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock and they chuck a 3.. but guess what? Then I come in here and that 3 is talked about the same way a wide open Harris 3 is. Same shot.. but they're totally different to me.

Tonight.. they shot too many 3's.

Are you also a flat-earther?

Wait the earth isn't flat?

[eyriq]

Couldn't get any scoring outside of Paolo, Franz, and Suggs.

[JF5]

No no no.. I argued that the offense isn't providing high quality looks from 3. You can scroll back and reread it.

The first sentence of the rebuttal

I'll disagree with you guys until the sun comes up.. it ain't about the 3pt shooting.

Also, I like to add is that this team gets plenty of open looks from 3. Every team in the NBA gets open looks from 3 as its nearly impossible to rotate that quickly to guys that spaced out.

What typically happens is when the Magic start shooting. They get really cold then opt for their bread and butter which is the drive game. Teams typically try to pack the paint and their offense as you mentioned goes for a reluctant 3 point heave with 3-7 seconds left on the shot clock because they didn't take the first 1-2 open 3 point attempts that were available because they lost confidence in the specific 3 point shot.

We saw this tonight where we saw Suggs or Wagner in the 4th pass it around multiple times even though they were open from deep with 3-5 seconds left in the clock during multiple possessions.

Against competent teams with good enough coaching its easy to guard.

[Knightro]

Quick is more of a spot up/floater guy.. he won't relieve much of the playmaking pressure.

Does Murray have an NTC?

No chance Quickley could be a lead guard if given the opportunity?

[basketballRob]

AB and Harris are both at -1.1 EPM, and Cole is -0.8.

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[eyriq]

Losses to the Celtics, Heat, Bucks, and 76ers putting us in our place. Beat the Knicks.

[tiderulz]

so are we done with WCJ starting? can we go back to Goga now

[tiderulz]

Assuming his beef with Paolo is squashed and wouldn't be an issue, I think Dejounte Murray would be my top target in a trade.

-Just turned 27 years old
-Four years left on his contract at 28.5M AAV which is more than workable
-The shooting piece has progressed up to 37.4% on over 6 attempts a night
-Has shown ability to play off the ball as needed (over 20 PPG playing SG for ATL)
-Just two years ago averaged 9.2 APG as a full time PG
-Still a plus defender and I expect that would uptick again on a team where defense is a priority rather than ATL

It would take a lot to get him, but if you can somehow make it work without Paolo/Franz/Suggs/Black, I think you have to do it.

If it's too expensive, or not a personality fit with Paolo, I'd be very interested in Quickley for cheaper.

If that wasn't an option either, I'd be interested in the Tyus Jones/Corey Kispert option as well.

are you sure? it obviously isnt working for Atlanta, so they want to move him also

[ibraheim718]

Quick is more of a spot up/floater guy.. he won't relieve much of the playmaking pressure.

Does Murray have an NTC?

No chance Quickley could be a lead guard if given the opportunity?

He's really good in the PnR because of his floater and throws good lobs off of that action... so you could run that as one of the main plays at the end of the game. He's more of a combo though. I think new York signs him though. If players produce in New York they usually get paid even if the team underachieves. He would be a better pick up than a lot of the other options outside of Murray. Quickley can score though but he also chucks sometimes.

[Husky1]

My god WCJ is just horrendous. Can’t blame the hand either. That was over two months ago. He has no energy out there, can’t def me a stop sign. Lack IQ. How can Mose keep starting him? He was the steak knives in the Franz trade, we gotta stop acting like we’re doing him a dirty by sending him to the bench.

[pepe1991]

4th quater
9:36 min left to play: 86-83 , down by 3


next time Magic score FGA : 6:07

next time Magic score FGA: 3:29 to play and game is already over.

In 4th quater in particular, our 3 starters go on:
1-6 FG, 2 rebounds, 0 assists ( Banchero)
1-4 FG, 1 rebound, 1 assist ( Franz)
0-3 FG, 0 assists, 0 rebounds ( Suggs).

Our offense produced just 38 points that were created on set defense. FTM (21) , turnovers (15) or fast break points (18).


It is what it is. Despite record, our limitations are so clear that you have to temper expetations , and expecting no trades ( duuh), you know you will end up being below 6th seed and in desparate fight for playoffs.
9 games winning streak raised unrealistic expetations.

[cedric76]

When we deviate from our game plan we lose, it s that simple

When we shoot too many 3s and turn the ball over we r cooked

Our game is to attack the basket, pass the ball and play strong D

[SOUL]

Our game is to attack the basket, pass the ball and play strong D

You have to be able to shoot threes to continually attack the basket versus stronger defensive teams. Just doing it 24/7 against Wizards may work, but teams will just dare us to shoot threes and load up the paint. Need people that can actually hit open threes so that our team can work inside against good teams.