2023-2024 Regular Season Game 33: Orlando Magic (19-13) at Golden State Warriors (15-17) - 10pm

[Audi]

Mosley won't be the coach passed the 2026 season. Bookmark the page. Or they'll bring him in some help. I don't even recognize any of his staff.

Jesse Mermuys!!! I want this guy canned. Who are these coaches on his staff? One dude was the coach of the German team so I understand why he's there. And fire Lionel Chalmers too.. he was a terrible basketball player.

In all seriousness.. they're back to losing games they can win. Bummer but the slumps and valleys were always going to come.

I think losing Tibbetts left a fairly big gap in competent coaching staff and Moseley has yet to find a right hand man with a mind for offense.

[Knightro]

I'm saying with what the Magic do defensively. They have their guards hound the ball from point of attack. Fultz/Suggs/Black all do this while FVV at this stage of his career is more laid back into a team oriented defense.

Him trying to play that sort of defense here would kill him. As I mentioned I believe the tradeoff would be defensively equal to offense. They'd be a better offense. But given how FVV plays it would be slightly better. And again this is adjacent to his contract (which is allstar level money) and him being injury prone. Would the Magic be completely better off potentially gutting their rotation for a solid production? To me that makes no sense at this stage.

You keep saying this, but it’s not really an accurate representation of what that situation would have been.

The Magic this past summer could have signed FVV to the exact contract he got at the cost of no Fultz and no Ingles.

[fateis007]

We have dropped the ball a ton on trades, i dont see a point in looking back. Joe ingles has been our biggest free agent signing in 3 years.

We have done nothing to bring help. Were sitting on 2 guys making 40 mill that barely play. On a positive note, If you put some capable players around Paolo and Franz, they have proven they can take a decent supporting cast and turn it into a possible play off/play in team.

But at this point were being absolutely exposed. Zone up, double team Paolo, let him get his 20 ball and Franz, and watch the brick fest and turnovers happen.

[eyriq]

Season started looking iffy once we got injured again.

Early on, bench unit was rolling and had experience and cohesion. Now there's debates with Black-Fultz and Goga-WCJ as well as half of our bench always being out.

Yeah, the bench was/is pretty critical for our wins. We aren't a top heavy team talent wise. Franchero are just too young and we lack a reliable 3rd option in the starting lineup. Bummer, glad we built up the November cushion.

[VFX]

Season started looking iffy once we got injured again.

Early on, bench unit was rolling and had experience and cohesion. Now there's debates with Black-Fultz and Goga-WCJ as well as half of our bench always being out.

It’s never really preemptive from management.

A lot of these guys are either injury prone (Carter, Fultz, Harris, JI) or old (Ingles) . Looking at the roster it’s just kinda crazy there is no middle of the road “good starter on a decent salary” guy that is reliable for the season in a versatile position.

Not sure how they looked at the roster this offseason and said “let’s get this 36 year old Forward and call it a day” with so many other questions and concerns while Orlando had multiple expiring contracts to move.

[pepe1991]

Warriors brodcasting team pointed out in 4th quater, with like 7 min to play, that we have no offense to run. Just isolation to Banchero, nobody cuts, nobody moves off ball. People just stand and watch.

Looked different with Ingles ;(

Yea, because Ingles can set up people, on offense he is really good player. He can set his awkward looking, yet effective high pick&rolls, he can hit from anywhere and off ball he lures one man to him, because he is knockdown shooter.

Even last year, post serious injury, he averaged 23 mpg on contender ( Bucks).

But probably bigger problem is our guard play.

[ogmagicfan]

FVV given his size and diminishing defensive ability would hurt what the Magic would do defensively. Offensively they would be better but given that Fred is strictly a 3 point shooter who isn't the strongest finisher/penetrator the money for paying that guy 40 million doesn't make sense to me.

Honestly to me you add him to the team as constructed now there wouldn't be much of a difference.

Now you're willing to dismantle an elite bench and for only solid production. That to me doesn't make any sense trade off wise.

Diminshing defense, yet he's playing great defensively and Houston is ranked 6th in the league

Saying adding him wouldnt make much of a difference is just a lie.

He shoots 39% from 3 with 7.6 attempts per game. That would do wonders to our team.

I'm saying with what the Magic do defensively. They have their guards hound the ball from point of attack. Fultz/Suggs/Black all do this while FVV at this stage of his career is more laid back into a team oriented defense.

Him trying to play that sort of defense here would kill him. As I mentioned I believe the tradeoff would be defensively equal to offense. They'd be a better offense. But given how FVV plays it would be slightly better. And again this is adjacent to his contract (which is allstar level money) and him being injury prone. Would the Magic be completely better off potentially gutting their rotation for a solid production? To me that makes no sense at this stage.

That would be on Coach to find a healthy medium between aggression on defense & "team orientated d" then. If anything part of our problem is we can tend to be too aggressive on defense and it leads to some easy baskets and tiring out our team.

In the end, the trade off of that (which wouldnt really affect our defense much if any negatively) for improving our offensive production would be worth it.

Our struggles on offense, hurt our team defensively. Improving offensively would help prevent the higher levels of energy expended on offense trying to get a good shot.

[fateis007]

Season started looking iffy once we got injured again.

Early on, bench unit was rolling and had experience and cohesion. Now there's debates with Black-Fultz and Goga-WCJ as well as half of our bench always being out.

It’s never really preemptive from management.

A lot of these guys are either injury prone (Carter, Fultz, Harris, JI) or old (Ingles) . Looking at the roster it’s just kinda crazy there is no middle of the road “good starter on a decent salary” guy that is reliable for the season in a versatile position.

Not sure how they looked at the roster this offseason and said “let’s get this 36 year old Forward and call it a day” with so many other questions and concerns while Orlando had multiple expiring contracts to move.

oh trust me they will do it again. Id bet money we let Fultz walk, JI walk after 4 years of paying him to be on the bench. it will be just like Mo bomba, Ross, Bol Bol, just let them expire and do nothing with them.

[The-Stallion70]

We signed Ingles to address a NEED. We NEED his ballhandling passing and shooting. I know we have played good teams lateky but we are also playing without that KEY piece.

And we don't have Markelle either so we are missing two of our three best perimeter players.

**** bull

[VFX]

Season started looking iffy once we got injured again.

Early on, bench unit was rolling and had experience and cohesion. Now there's debates with Black-Fultz and Goga-WCJ as well as half of our bench always being out.

It’s never really preemptive from management.

A lot of these guys are either injury prone (Carter, Fultz, Harris, JI) or old (Ingles) . Looking at the roster it’s just kinda crazy there is no middle of the road “good starter on a decent salary” guy that is reliable for the season in a versatile position.

Not sure how they looked at the roster this offseason and said “let’s get this 36 year old Forward and call it a day” with so many other questions and concerns while Orlando had multiple expiring contracts to move.

oh trust me they will do it again. Id bet money we let Fultz walk, JI walk after 4 years of paying him to be on the bench. it will be just like Mo bomba, Ross, Bol Bol, just let them expire and do nothing with them.

It’s going to happen. I’m not even mad about it anymore lol. It’s just who they are.

[pepe1991]

Btw we knew roster is made out of injury prone players, that is exect reason why we got some of them for cheap.
Isaac is most injury prone player in basketball ( this is official data , most missed games possible by a mile).
Wendell is good to go for 50-60 games max.
Fultz is probably up there within top 10 most injury prone players since joining nba.
Harris was considered done before we got him.

It's just what it is. Injuries can't be excuse if you keep resinging injury prone players. You know what you get.

[SOUL]

The big conundrum is the team looks good when it's relatively healthy, but also that we can guarantee that this team will never be relatively healthy with the guys we have to depend on to help (Ingles on offense, Fultz playmaking/ball-handling, Isaac defense, even Gary and WCJ and Suggs).

The positives of this is that we have the base and future of our team, a far-cry from what we were looking for in the Fournier days, but now the FO has to start really thinking about what they envision the next few years looking like and who they want to bring in. They don't have to mortgage everything or freak out this year, but being opportunists on sellers makes sense if everybody around our range is trying to acquire people too.

[DiplomaticMagic]

We are a bad **** team right now.

This was the game to win on the roadtrip. Sacramento and Denver are going to be TOUGH. I can't take this losing

[ogmagicfan]

The Warriors give up the 6th most PPG to PGs & 5th most PPG to SG's in the league

We needed to exploit the guard defensive weakness, and we couldn't

[pepe1991]

Tbh majority of problems would fix itself if they get some Bogdan Bogdanovic /healthier version of Brogdon / Terry Rozier/Derrick White type of player who can hit some shots, set Banchero & Franz better, make life easier for them when they are tired and in general run some offensive sets on his own, while not being usless off ball.

Maybe Fultz return helps a bit? Does anybody have any clue what's going on with his injury tho?

[The-Stallion70]

Tbh majority of problems would fix itself if they get some Bogdan Bogdanovic /healthier version of Brogdon / Terry Rozier/Derrick White type of player who can hit some shots, set Banchero & Franz better, make life easier for them when they are tired and in general run some offensive sets on his own, while not being usless off ball.

Maybe Fultz return helps a bit? Does anybody have any clue what's going on with his injury tho?

Fultz would certainly help but who knows when and when he does how long will he be back for.

Sure we can talk about guys that can help us all day but how do we get Brogdon? What will they take from us?

Black's 4 ppg and Suggs' shooting 3-11 or whatever is pointing out the team's problem: lack of offense from the back court.

[floppymoose]

I would say Warriors are elite and we can't compete, but they are on pace to miss playin

When Klay isn't a disaster the Warriors are a tough out. Tonight he was decent. Usually he isn't.

[The-Stallion70]

Wendell is a physical force but God the mf looks so dumb sometimes

[pepe1991]

I would say Warriors are elite and we can't compete, but they are on pace to miss playin

When Klay isn't a disaster the Warriors are a tough out. Tonight he was decent. Usually he isn't.

I watch whole lot Warriors because Šarić is from my city and i know him since we were kids, hell, even had chance to play against him several times.

I agree about Klay.
In wins, Klay averages 20 ppg on 60% TS
in losses, Klay averages 14 ppg on 50% TS

And he played in more losses than wins, and is apsolute swing for Warriors.

[Bensational]

Bizarrely, the Magic had the better 3pt shooting tonight: 14-36 (38.9%) vs 13-35 (37.1%)

And we still lost.