Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[OrlandoDream]

One of Anthony Black or KCP needs to be off the team next year. WE cant have this backlog of SG that cant score. Suggs stays for the obvious defense and improved shooting. But having KCP AND AB off the bench just continues the same problems.

All these players that we covet, makes perfect sense to include KCP contract to match. Problem is nobody wants KCP. So get ready to give up pick(s). Which is fine with me as long as player is worth it.

Or we could just replace Goga, Harris, Cole, and Caleb with proven offensive help.

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Again, if that is the play then get ready to give up picks. All those players have little to negative value. We are not giving away our trash for another team's valuable players. Im ok with keeping Goga and even Caleb as injury reserve.

[VFX]

If you're not prepared to move Black in a win-now scenario, you're an idiot.

For me, you should have Cole, JI, Goga and Black as your main chips. Suggs if there's a big offensive fish - Bane or Maxey.level. Wendell if theres another good big coming back.

Black is good enough to want 25m in 2 years time but not good enough to deserve it. Get the value now while there's "upside" and 2.years rookie deal remaining.

That’s a classic case of premature asset liquidation. Black is 21, already defends at a near elite level, and showed real growth late in the year. Trading that on a rookie deal assumes he won’t bridge the gap and ignores the Magic’s cap arc. You don’t move cost controlled upside unless the return is foundational. If you’re win now blind and dump long term value before it’s priced in, you’re not building, you’re reacting.

This is merely weighing and judging developmental skillsets relative to what your team is lacking.

I would absolutely agree with you IF Anthony Black’s skillset made more sense next to Suggs/Franz/Paolo in a starting lineup. It doesn’t, as this has been explained a number of times.

Players do not randomly acquire skillsets, with huge leaps in development, year over year regardless of their age. Do they develop? Yes. Anthony Black isn’t breaking into the starting lineup for this reason. His skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz with the added bonus of switchable defense. No need to go over this again.

NOBODY WOULD HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE OFFENSE IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE with Anthony Black.

Now, if everyone says “we need help on offense” and AB is absolutely not solving that issue, outside of development, then he is on the block. Simple as that. He is the highest valued asset to a team with limited assets looking to upgrade the exact position he supposedly plays. Not difficult to comprehend.

I’m not having conversations about Anthony Black anymore in the trade thread. People are just delusional propping this kid up to insane levels talking about how he’s relatively untouchable. He’s not. He’s not even relevant to Orlando’s offense and won’t be unless he takes enormous unprecedented leaps in skills yet to be seen.

I say this and I actually like AB as a prospect at face value.

[basketballRob]

One of Anthony Black or KCP needs to be off the team next year. WE cant have this backlog of SG that cant score. Suggs stays for the obvious defense and improved shooting. But having KCP AND AB off the bench just continues the same problems.

All these players that we covet, makes perfect sense to include KCP contract to match. Problem is nobody wants KCP. So get ready to give up pick(s). Which is fine with me as long as player is worth it.

Or we could just replace Goga, Harris, Cole, and Caleb with proven offensive help.

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Again, if that is the play then get ready to give up picks. All those players have little to negative value. We are not giving away our trash for another team's valuable players. Im ok with keeping Goga and even Caleb as injury reserve.

Goga and Caleb both have value plus picks. We aren't likely going after expensive players like Simons.

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[basketballRob]

If you're not prepared to move Black in a win-now scenario, you're an idiot.

For me, you should have Cole, JI, Goga and Black as your main chips. Suggs if there's a big offensive fish - Bane or Maxey.level. Wendell if theres another good big coming back.

Black is good enough to want 25m in 2 years time but not good enough to deserve it. Get the value now while there's "upside" and 2.years rookie deal remaining.

That’s a classic case of premature asset liquidation. Black is 21, already defends at a near elite level, and showed real growth late in the year. Trading that on a rookie deal assumes he won’t bridge the gap and ignores the Magic’s cap arc. You don’t move cost controlled upside unless the return is foundational. If you’re win now blind and dump long term value before it’s priced in, you’re not building, you’re reacting.

This is merely weighing and judging developmental skillsets relative to what your team is lacking.

I would absolutely agree with you IF Anthony Black’s skillset made more sense next to Suggs/Franz/Paolo in a starting lineup. It doesn’t, as this has been explained a number of times.

Players do not randomly acquire skillsets, with huge leaps in development, year over year regardless of their age. Do they develop? Yes. Anthony Black isn’t breaking into the starting lineup for this reason. His skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz with the added bonus of switchable defense. No need to go over this again.

NOBODY WOULD HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE OFFENSE IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE with Anthony Black.

Now, if everyone says “we need help on offense” and AB is absolutely not solving that issue, outside of development, then he is on the block. Simple as that. He is the highest valued asset to a team with limited assets looking to upgrade the exact position he supposedly plays. Not difficult to comprehend.

I’m not having conversations about Anthony Black anymore in the trade thread. People are just delusional propping this kid up to insane levels talking about how he’s relatively untouchable. He’s not. He’s not even relevant to Orlando’s offense and won’t be unless he takes enormous unprecedented leaps in skills yet to be seen.

I say this and I actually like AB as a prospect at face value.

You're right. He's still developing.

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[MasterGMer]

If there was an opportunity to trade up to #2 for Dylan Harper, but the cost was Black and several FRP’s would you do it?

What would it cost? Both of our FRPs plus AB and more? I might think about it

[VFX]

That’s a classic case of premature asset liquidation. Black is 21, already defends at a near elite level, and showed real growth late in the year. Trading that on a rookie deal assumes he won’t bridge the gap and ignores the Magic’s cap arc. You don’t move cost controlled upside unless the return is foundational. If you’re win now blind and dump long term value before it’s priced in, you’re not building, you’re reacting.

This is merely weighing and judging developmental skillsets relative to what your team is lacking.

I would absolutely agree with you IF Anthony Black’s skillset made more sense next to Suggs/Franz/Paolo in a starting lineup. It doesn’t, as this has been explained a number of times.

Players do not randomly acquire skillsets, with huge leaps in development, year over year regardless of their age. Do they develop? Yes. Anthony Black isn’t breaking into the starting lineup for this reason. His skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz with the added bonus of switchable defense. No need to go over this again.

NOBODY WOULD HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE OFFENSE IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE with Anthony Black.

Now, if everyone says “we need help on offense” and AB is absolutely not solving that issue, outside of development, then he is on the block. Simple as that. He is the highest valued asset to a team with limited assets looking to upgrade the exact position he supposedly plays. Not difficult to comprehend.

I’m not having conversations about Anthony Black anymore in the trade thread. People are just delusional propping this kid up to insane levels talking about how he’s relatively untouchable. He’s not. He’s not even relevant to Orlando’s offense and won’t be unless he takes enormous unprecedented leaps in skills yet to be seen.

I say this and I actually like AB as a prospect at face value.

You're right. He's still developing.

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Developing an entire game offensively that is non-existent. Yeah, I am right.

[OnlyFranz22]

Herro next to Franz/Paolo I can get behind

[OrlandoDream]

Or we could just replace Goga, Harris, Cole, and Caleb with proven offensive help.

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Again, if that is the play then get ready to give up picks. All those players have little to negative value. We are not giving away our trash for another team's valuable players. Im ok with keeping Goga and even Caleb as injury reserve.

Goga and Caleb both have value plus picks. We aren't likely going after expensive players like Simons.

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I agree that he wont be the primary target given the contract size and cost. I think weltman will try again with Coby White or maybe Collin Sexton. Both are on reasonable contracts and resigning we would be able to resign after next season by not picking up/trading certain players.

I just don't see all three KCP, Suggs, and AB coming back next year. Suggs is obv not going anywhere unless some powerhouse offensive star guard becomes available. Weve been spoiled too much by Weltman last couple years on continuity. Yes its nice to keep players you draft and see them grow and lead to winning games but this teams makeup just no longer fits.

I think AB will be the likely target. He has the most value of our young guys and can net us a upgrade backcourt player.

[Idiosyncratic]

Grimes is interesting for the 76ers. I'm sure they'd trade him for Goga.

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Grimes is interesting, no clue what he should get paid. It's gotta be either decent money from the Nets or full MLE right? Just limited options this year for free agents.

I do think we definitely need to acquire a shooter after we figure out who is going to start next to Suggs. Lots of interesting options of guys that may get traded by their teams Klay, Huerter, Wiggins or Joe, Grayson, AJ Green, Powell, Hauser, O'neale, Kispert.

And potential free agents, Merrill, Trent, Melton, Hardaway, D'lo, Kennard, NAW, Grimes, Schroder, Tyus...

Figure out starting PG first for sure, but nobody has money this year, offer one of these guys part of the MLE for a short term deal. NAW and Grimes probably can get the full MLE so less likely.

[OnlyFranz22]

Grimes is interesting for the 76ers. I'm sure they'd trade him for Goga.

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Grimes is interesting, no clue what he should get paid. It's gotta be either decent money from the Nets or full MLE right? Just limited options this year for free agents.

I do think we definitely need to acquire a shooter after we figure out who is going to start next to Suggs. Lots of interesting options of guys that may get traded by their teams Klay, Huerter, Wiggins or Joe, Grayson, AJ Green, Powell, Hauser, O'neale, Kispert.

And potential free agents, Merrill, Trent, Melton, Hardaway, D'lo, Kennard, NAW, Grimes, Schroder, Tyus...

Figure out starting PG first for sure, but nobody has money this year, offer one of these guys part of the MLE for a short term deal. NAW and Grimes probably can get the full MLE so less likely.

A Grimes and Herro or Simons off season would be fun

[basketballRob]

Again, if that is the play then get ready to give up picks. All those players have little to negative value. We are not giving away our trash for another team's valuable players. Im ok with keeping Goga and even Caleb as injury reserve.

Goga and Caleb both have value plus picks. We aren't likely going after expensive players like Simons.

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I agree that he wont be the primary target given the contract size and cost. I think weltman will try again with Coby White or maybe Collin Sexton. Both are on reasonable contracts and resigning we would be able to resign after next season by not picking up/trading certain players.

I just don't see all three KCP, Suggs, and AB coming back next year. Suggs is obv not going anywhere unless some powerhouse offensive star guard becomes available. Weve been spoiled too much by Weltman last couple years on continuity. Yes its nice to keep players you draft and see them grow and lead to winning games but this teams makeup just no longer fits.

I think AB will be the likely target. He has the most value of our young guys and can net us a upgrade backcourt player.

I doubt it. I think AB, KCP, and Suggs are all here. Then, they add a mid level type player like DLo by trading Goga, Cole, or Jett.

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[MasterGMer]

If we want to talk about trading AB, KCP and our FRP for Simons, why not package a little bit more to the No. 2 pick for Dylan Harper?

[OrlandoDream]

Goga and Caleb both have value plus picks. We aren't likely going after expensive players like Simons.

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I agree that he wont be the primary target given the contract size and cost. I think weltman will try again with Coby White or maybe Collin Sexton. Both are on reasonable contracts and resigning we would be able to resign after next season by not picking up/trading certain players.

I just don't see all three KCP, Suggs, and AB coming back next year. Suggs is obv not going anywhere unless some powerhouse offensive star guard becomes available. Weve been spoiled too much by Weltman last couple years on continuity. Yes its nice to keep players you draft and see them grow and lead to winning games but this teams makeup just no longer fits.

I think AB will be the likely target. He has the most value of our young guys and can net us a upgrade backcourt player.

I doubt it. I think AB, KCP, and Suggs are all here. Then, they add a mid level type player like DLo by trading Goga, Cole, or Jett.

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If DLo is the peak offseason move, its going to be a disappointing year. IF someone low target like him or Schroeder really interested Weltman, we would have already acquired them. Those type of targets were on the market for a while before dealt. We have to make a bigger splash.

[basketballRob]

If we want to talk about trading AB, KCP and our FRP for Simons, why not package a little bit more to the No. 2 pick for Dylan Harper?

They aren't going to trade for a lottery pick. As good as Harper is, it'll still take him a couple of years to learn how to play winning ball.

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[basketballRob]

I agree that he wont be the primary target given the contract size and cost. I think weltman will try again with Coby White or maybe Collin Sexton. Both are on reasonable contracts and resigning we would be able to resign after next season by not picking up/trading certain players.

I just don't see all three KCP, Suggs, and AB coming back next year. Suggs is obv not going anywhere unless some powerhouse offensive star guard becomes available. Weve been spoiled too much by Weltman last couple years on continuity. Yes its nice to keep players you draft and see them grow and lead to winning games but this teams makeup just no longer fits.

I think AB will be the likely target. He has the most value of our young guys and can net us a upgrade backcourt player.

I doubt it. I think AB, KCP, and Suggs are all here. Then, they add a mid level type player like DLo by trading Goga, Cole, or Jett.

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If DLo is the peak offseason move, its going to be a disappointing year. IF someone low target like him or Schroeder really interested Weltman, we would have already acquired them. Those type of targets were on the market for a while before dealt. We have to make a bigger splash.

DLo would be the best PG we've had since Jameer.

I don't buy that they make a big deal.

Weltman said that the team's DNA was an elite defensive team, and he wanted to make sure he didn't unravel that.

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[eyriq]

If you're not prepared to move Black in a win-now scenario, you're an idiot.

For me, you should have Cole, JI, Goga and Black as your main chips. Suggs if there's a big offensive fish - Bane or Maxey.level. Wendell if theres another good big coming back.

Black is good enough to want 25m in 2 years time but not good enough to deserve it. Get the value now while there's "upside" and 2.years rookie deal remaining.

That’s a classic case of premature asset liquidation. Black is 21, already defends at a near elite level, and showed real growth late in the year. Trading that on a rookie deal assumes he won’t bridge the gap and ignores the Magic’s cap arc. You don’t move cost controlled upside unless the return is foundational. If you’re win now blind and dump long term value before it’s priced in, you’re not building, you’re reacting.

This is merely weighing and judging developmental skillsets relative to what your team is lacking.

I would absolutely agree with you IF Anthony Black’s skillset made more sense next to Suggs/Franz/Paolo in a starting lineup. It doesn’t, as this has been explained a number of times.

Players do not randomly acquire skillsets, with huge leaps in development, year over year regardless of their age. Do they develop? Yes. Anthony Black isn’t breaking into the starting lineup for this reason. His skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz with the added bonus of switchable defense. No need to go over this again.

NOBODY WOULD HAVE THESE ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE OFFENSE IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE with Anthony Black.

Now, if everyone says “we need help on offense” and AB is absolutely not solving that issue, outside of development, then he is on the block. Simple as that. He is the highest valued asset to a team with limited assets looking to upgrade the exact position he supposedly plays. Not difficult to comprehend.

I’m not having conversations about Anthony Black anymore in the trade thread. People are just delusional propping this kid up to insane levels talking about how he’s relatively untouchable. He’s not. He’s not even relevant to Orlando’s offense and won’t be unless he takes enormous unprecedented leaps in skills yet to be seen.

I say this and I actually like AB as a prospect at face value.

AB's path to starting point guard hinges on becoming a respectable shooter (34%+ catch-and-shoot) and showing he can organize halfcourt offense without killing spacing. He already defends at a high level and fits Mosley’s switch-heavy scheme, but he needs to handle 2nd-side P&R and drive-and-kick with more urgency. All extremely likely developments.

If the front office agrees with me we might see them acquire a high IQ, low-usage, 38%+ from three veteran pointguard to mentor AB. Someone like Tyus, Morris, or Brogdon.

[Bensational]

first you have to pick up options to trade them....

My bad, didn’t know that.

[eyriq]

first you have to pick up options to trade them....

My bad, didn’t know that.

It's a timing thing. I learned this too. Options expire June 30, trades go live early July

[Bensational]

first you have to pick up options to trade them....

My bad, didn’t know that.

It's a timing thing. I learned this too. Options expire June 30, trades go live early July

I assumed non-guaranteed and team option were the same thing. You can do it with a non-g deal.

[dsg2021]

To me, going all-in on a lottery pick is exactly one of the innovative things I would have done already, and would still do this summer and next.

All you need is a guard type player who is NBA-ready but also a lottery top 5-ish for a reason.

We have star forwards who are just barely young enough to bring one last, rookie scale controlled guard. The contract is rookie scaled and the next one after might even be possible based on various factors.

But I have not looked at any lottery players this summer yet. Is there anyone worth it at the top 3? In the top 10?

I also label acquiring a player who will be a NBA Sophomore or Junior going into next season as essentially the same idea with some new wrinkles.