Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIV, Mods Close))

[bonanz]

Nets owner lost bid for presidency in Russia to Putin. Probably coming back to find some sort of victory in the US by winning the Dwight contest

he didn't lose, he was just a stand in candidate. he knew what he was doing all along. after it was all done he high fived putin and jetted off.

[Nemesis21]

I can't believe Nash is willing to stay in PHX, I guess he doesn't want a shot at a ring.

Grant Hill probably advising him not to come here.

He's dumb if he listens to Hill. Pairing up with Dwight is the best thing he can do right now.

[PeePee la Fritz]

I can't believe Nash is willing to stay in PHX, I guess he doesn't want a shot at a ring.

Loyalty is important to some people.

[Rick Rolled]

I can't believe Nash is willing to stay in PHX, I guess he doesn't want a shot at a ring.

Loyalty is important to some people.

[Nolimit1211]

So no Ellis cause GSW is outta their minds and Nash won't ask for a trade.

Golden State is "out of their minds" because they don't want a bunch of 1st round exit flunkies that couldn't shoot better than 20% to save their lives, and piggy backed Dwight to get there in the first place?

If I'm GS, I tell Otis "Call back at the deadline when you're ready for Dwight, or goodluck with Brook Lopez".. and apparently, this is exactly the case.

[PeePee la Fritz]

So no Ellis cause GSW is outta their minds and Nash won't ask for a trade.

Golden State is "out of their minds" because they don't want a bunch of 1st round exit flunkies that couldn't shoot better than 20% to save their lives, and piggy backed Dwight to get there in the first place?

If I'm GS, I tell Otis "Call back at the deadline when you're ready for Dwight, or goodluck with Brook Lopez".. and apparently, this is exactly the case.

No Golden State is out of their mind because they think they are going to get a All Star or quality young starting big for Ellis.

[Nolimit1211]

So no Ellis cause GSW is outta their minds and Nash won't ask for a trade.

Golden State is "out of their minds" because they don't want a bunch of 1st round exit flunkies that couldn't shoot better than 20% to save their lives, and piggy backed Dwight to get there in the first place?

If I'm GS, I tell Otis "Call back at the deadline when you're ready for Dwight, or goodluck with Brook Lopez".. and apparently, this is exactly the case.

No Golden State is out of their mind because they think they are going to get a All Star or quality young starting big for Ellis.

Okay, then we get Brook Lopez or let him walk for nothing... Dwight said he's not gonna extend with 90% of the league, and even said he'd opt out of LA...

You need to stop comparing Montas value to Dwight, and start comparing him to Brook Lopez...

[PeePee la Fritz]

I am already on record of saying you move Dwight on the 15th if you cant pull of a miracle trade. Anything is better then nothing.

[Nolimit1211]

^ Agreed

[Bensational]

if the Magic strike out with deals for Ellis/Nash/etc, then they can't just continue ahead with the team as is. it's blatantly clear that this team is missing some elements, and even if that means making a few smaller changes, instead of one big one for a star, then it needs to be done. we've seen how far Jameer and Hedo can take us. we've seen how effective JRich is here, compared to how he was in PHX. why throw the same thing at the wall when we know it won't stick???

i propose smaller deals.

Gerald Wallace, Sessions, Mayo, Calderon are all attainable guys that will make a difference to this team.

example:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=88fdvf8

then

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7jed6kj
*correction, swap Von for Ish


Dwight
Anderson/BBD
Wallace/Hedo
JRich/SJax
Nelson/Ish

[justanotherfan]

I am already on record of saying you move Dwight on the 15th if you cant pull of a miracle trade. Anything is better then nothing.

Yeah, I agree gut whoever's team he ends up on the last thing I want to see is another team doing better with Dwight than us as soon as he leaves lol (As terrible as that seems I just don't want to feel like our team is useless :S)...

[PeePee la Fritz]

if the Magic strike out with deals for Ellis/Nash/etc, then they can't just continue ahead with the team as is. it's blatantly clear that this team is missing some elements, and even if that means making a few smaller changes, instead of one big one for a star, then it needs to be done. we've seen how far Jameer and Hedo can take us. we've seen how effective JRich is here, compared to how he was in PHX. why throw the same thing at the wall when we know it won't stick???

i propose smaller deals.

Gerald Wallace, Sessions, Mayo, Calderon are all attainable guys that will make a difference to this team.

example:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=88fdvf8

then

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7jed6kj
*correction, swap Von for Ish


Dwight
Anderson/BBD
Wallace/Hedo
JRich/SJax
Nelson/Ish

The problem everyone seems to be ignoring or forgetting with Stephen Jackson is he wants an extension and he wants to start. If he does not get both he will be a problem, if you want to bring Capt Jax to this team you have to be ok with him starting and then giving him a 4 year 32ish million dollar deal

[Blue_and_Whte]

I can't believe Nash is willing to stay in PHX, I guess he doesn't want a shot at a ring.

Loyalty is important to some people.

Yeah can't hate the guy if I'm expecting Dwight to do the same thing.

[Cammo101]

The idea that Dwight must be traded because "anything is better than nothing" is fundamentally flawed. We have seen time and again that the worst place to be in the NBA is not last place, but middle of the road. Trading Dwight to try to stay halfway competitive is counterproductive. In the NBA you need to be competing for a title or rebuilding. So, if you can't trade Dwight for a package that can be the basis for a title contender either now or in a rebuild, then you really are better letting Dwight walk.

It shocks me how few people seem to get this.

[mhi]

The problem everyone seems to be ignoring or forgetting with Stephen Jackson is he wants an extension and he wants to start. If he does not get both he will be a problem, if you want to bring Capt Jax to this team you have to be ok with him starting and then giving him a 4 year 32ish million dollar deal

Oh please God no.

[Nolimit1211]

The idea that Dwight must be traded because "anything is better than nothing" is fundamentally flawed. We have seen time and again that the worst place to be in the NBA is not last place, but middle of the road. Trading Dwight to try to stay halfway competitive is counterproductive. In the NBA you need to be competing for a title or rebuilding. So, if you can't trade Dwight for a package that can be the basis for a title contender either now or in a rebuild, then you really are better letting Dwight walk.

You're mind frame is correct, but the "anything" we're talking about getting back.. (Lopez/Brooks) / (Monta) aren't players that are gonna keep you "middle of the road".. You WILL be a bad team with these guy, go ahead and look at their current records.. but atleast you'll sell acouple more tickets.

[Blue_and_Whte]

The idea that Dwight must be traded because "anything is better than nothing" is fundamentally flawed. We have seen time and again that the worst place to be in the NBA is not last place, but middle of the road. Trading Dwight to try to stay halfway competitive is counterproductive. In the NBA you need to be competing for a title or rebuilding. So, if you can't trade Dwight for a package that can be the basis for a title contender either now or in a rebuild, then you really are better letting Dwight walk.

It shocks me how few people seem to get this.

Right that's why I'm pro picks. I still say go after Lopez and picks if Dwight has made it clear that he's. Not staying.

[Bensational]

if the Magic strike out with deals for Ellis/Nash/etc, then they can't just continue ahead with the team as is. it's blatantly clear that this team is missing some elements, and even if that means making a few smaller changes, instead of one big one for a star, then it needs to be done. we've seen how far Jameer and Hedo can take us. we've seen how effective JRich is here, compared to how he was in PHX. why throw the same thing at the wall when we know it won't stick???

i propose smaller deals.

Gerald Wallace, Sessions, Mayo, Calderon are all attainable guys that will make a difference to this team.

example:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=88fdvf8

then

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7jed6kj
*correction, swap Von for Ish


Dwight
Anderson/BBD
Wallace/Hedo
JRich/SJax
Nelson/Ish

The problem everyone seems to be ignoring or forgetting with Stephen Jackson is he wants an extension and he wants to start. If he does not get both he will be a problem, if you want to bring Capt Jax to this team you have to be ok with him starting and then giving him a 4 year 32ish million dollar deal

i think i'd take a gamble on that, at this point, and hope he'd just be happy to play for a chance at a ring. if not, we bench him and ban him from being near the team, and in the summer he becomes a $9M expiring contract.

[PeePee la Fritz]

The idea that Dwight must be traded because "anything is better than nothing" is fundamentally flawed. We have seen time and again that the worst place to be in the NBA is not last place, but middle of the road. Trading Dwight to try to stay halfway competitive is counterproductive. In the NBA you need to be competing for a title or rebuilding. So, if you can't trade Dwight for a package that can be the basis for a title contender either now or in a rebuild, then you really are better letting Dwight walk.

It shocks me how few people seem to get this.

Trust me Orlando wont be middle of the road with Brooks, Lopez, and picks added to a core of Anderson and JJ. That is a lottery team all the way. But more importantly its a lottery team with cap space and a few above average young pieces. This is assuming Orlando moves Turk and either BBD or Nelson with Howard. Then I am still a fan of moving J Rich on draft day for another pick or young piece. Hell I would move him for Beasley at the Deadline.

Start the rebuild with Brooks, Beasley, Anderson, and Lopez plus some picks and cap space. This is all IF Orlando cannot pull off a big move to appease Dwight

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

You know we'd probably end up paying lopez too much in the offseason and end up letting ryno walk