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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#481 » by Skin » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:05 pm

"There's no question that Jonathan is one of the rare guys that I've coached over the years to say, 'Coach, what do you need me to do?'" FSU head coach Leonard Hamilton said via phone Monday on CSN's Philly Sports Talk. "From game to game, his role changed in relation to what we needed. I think he's a guy that kind of thinks more like a coach sometimes than really a lot of young guys would think because he has that level of maturity.

"I think he's going to be a great fit wherever he goes because he's a great teammate and he has all those intangible skills — dribble, pass, shoot, decision making. And even though he's slender, he's a lot stronger than he looks."

"On our basketball team, he only averaged 12 points a game. He made all the big shots we needed him to, but he probably accounted for about 35 points per game because of his IQ," Hamilton said. "He has no problem making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He makes great decisions. He was really my go-to guy in a lot of ways other than maybe having to be the guy who scores the points. He was the guy who was so instrumental in the success we had last year. He always came through with big rebounds, big blocked shots, the timely assists, getting the steal, catching the lobs.

"He has so many intangible things that he brings to the table and he is not one-dimensional. A lot of guys get recognition because they do a lot of scoring, but Jonathan is a stat stuffer from all aspects."

"There's no question that his best basketball is ahead of him," Hamilton said. "You have to take into consideration he was 6-3. Now he's 6-10, 6-10½. Actually, I think he's closer to 6-11 than he is 6-10. But he has that whole framework of a guy who is going to continue keep getting better and better and better."

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/florida-state-coach-leonard-hamilton-jonathan-isaac-great-fit-wherever-he-goes
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#482 » by cedric76 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:09 pm

Really really hope he falls to us

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#483 » by PennytoShaq » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Skin wrote:"There's no question that Jonathan is one of the rare guys that I've coached over the years to say, 'Coach, what do you need me to do?'" FSU head coach Leonard Hamilton said via phone Monday on CSN's Philly Sports Talk. "From game to game, his role changed in relation to what we needed. I think he's a guy that kind of thinks more like a coach sometimes than really a lot of young guys would think because he has that level of maturity.

"I think he's going to be a great fit wherever he goes because he's a great teammate and he has all those intangible skills — dribble, pass, shoot, decision making. And even though he's slender, he's a lot stronger than he looks."

"On our basketball team, he only averaged 12 points a game. He made all the big shots we needed him to, but he probably accounted for about 35 points per game because of his IQ," Hamilton said. "He has no problem making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He makes great decisions. He was really my go-to guy in a lot of ways other than maybe having to be the guy who scores the points. He was the guy who was so instrumental in the success we had last year. He always came through with big rebounds, big blocked shots, the timely assists, getting the steal, catching the lobs.

"He has so many intangible things that he brings to the table and he is not one-dimensional. A lot of guys get recognition because they do a lot of scoring, but Jonathan is a stat stuffer from all aspects."

"There's no question that his best basketball is ahead of him," Hamilton said. "You have to take into consideration he was 6-3. Now he's 6-10, 6-10½. Actually, I think he's closer to 6-11 than he is 6-10. But he has that whole framework of a guy who is going to continue keep getting better and better and better."

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/florida-state-coach-leonard-hamilton-jonathan-isaac-great-fit-wherever-he-goes


This is what I like about Isaac. The super high ceiling plus existing basketball skill. I believe people are thinking that he is raw like AG was, but his basketball IQ is rather high already, plus he has a shot motion that is already quite good. People keep saying they want a star, but somehow think that Isaac can't be one because he didn't score a lot and take over games. Isaac has as much potential to be a star as anybody in this draft. The draft is all about rolling the dice on ceiling and hoping to strike gold. I think Isaac is a great gamble, plus people will absolutely love his attitude. There was tons of complaining in game threads about how this team didn't care and had poor body language on the bench. Isaac is fully engaged in games when on the floor and when sitting. He is extremely easy to root for, IMO.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#484 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Skin wrote:"There's no question that Jonathan is one of the rare guys that I've coached over the years to say, 'Coach, what do you need me to do?'" FSU head coach Leonard Hamilton said via phone Monday on CSN's Philly Sports Talk. "From game to game, his role changed in relation to what we needed. I think he's a guy that kind of thinks more like a coach sometimes than really a lot of young guys would think because he has that level of maturity.

"I think he's going to be a great fit wherever he goes because he's a great teammate and he has all those intangible skills — dribble, pass, shoot, decision making. And even though he's slender, he's a lot stronger than he looks."

"On our basketball team, he only averaged 12 points a game. He made all the big shots we needed him to, but he probably accounted for about 35 points per game because of his IQ," Hamilton said. "He has no problem making the pass to the guy who gets the assist. He makes great decisions. He was really my go-to guy in a lot of ways other than maybe having to be the guy who scores the points. He was the guy who was so instrumental in the success we had last year. He always came through with big rebounds, big blocked shots, the timely assists, getting the steal, catching the lobs.

"He has so many intangible things that he brings to the table and he is not one-dimensional. A lot of guys get recognition because they do a lot of scoring, but Jonathan is a stat stuffer from all aspects."

"There's no question that his best basketball is ahead of him," Hamilton said. "You have to take into consideration he was 6-3. Now he's 6-10, 6-10½. Actually, I think he's closer to 6-11 than he is 6-10. But he has that whole framework of a guy who is going to continue keep getting better and better and better."

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/florida-state-coach-leonard-hamilton-jonathan-isaac-great-fit-wherever-he-goes

high IQ is the only thing I've been waiting to read about. we need more high IQ players; and if you pair him with Mario & AG, that's a lethal group on the floor.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#485 » by cedric76 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:52 pm

Guys check Hammond s interview in OS. He doesn't hide that he ll draft isaac

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#486 » by fbeye343 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:59 pm

cedric76 wrote:Guys check Hammond s interview in OS. He doesn't hide that he ll draft isaac

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Although I would prefer the Magic go in a different direction it sounds like Isaac will be the pick if he's still on the board.

Does anyone have information on the severity of Isaacs asthma?
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#488 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:48 pm

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cedric76 wrote:Guys check Hammond s interview in OS. He doesn't hide that he ll draft isaac

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Although I would prefer the Magic go in a different direction it sounds like Isaac will be the pick if he's still on the board.

Does anyone have information on the severity of Isaacs asthma?

It gets more and more difficult to argue that Isaac has become the most important player on this Florida State team.This was evidenced on Saturday not only by the 20-4 run Syracuse ended the first half on after Isaac left the game with asthma complications, but also by his ability to help the team in a wide variety of ways.


i know he had to come out in multiple games due to the pace.... doesn't really answer the severity but still shows it could be an issue
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Re: RE: Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#489 » by cedric76 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:16 pm


Unfortunately I think he won't be there anymore at 6 :-(
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Re: RE: Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#490 » by mr2good » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:37 pm

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Unfortunately I think he won't be there anymore at 6 :-(


Yeah, but that would mean it's Tatum or DSJ time which are great options. We may even prefer one of them over Isaac. Great draft to have the 6th pick.
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Re: RE: Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#491 » by basketballRob » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:41 pm

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Unfortunately I think he won't be there anymore at 6 :-(


Tatum is a pretty good consolation prize.
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Re: RE: Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#492 » by arkknight1988 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:48 pm

cedric76 wrote:

Unfortunately I think he won't be there anymore at 6 :-(

Could still be great for us. That would mean Tatum is available who I have ranked ahead of Isaac.

Tatum>Isaac>DSJ is my rankings for realistic targets.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#493 » by Darth Magic » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm



Unfortunately, outside of Ntilikina, he has the lowest floor. But I do like him and think he has the potential to be better than AG. There is no player in the top ten that I'll be distraught if we take, not even Markannen. I think they will all be good. But I honestly do not see superstardom. I'm praying I'm wrong.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#495 » by mr2good » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:27 pm

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Unfortunately, outside of Ntilikina, he has the lowest floor. But I do like him and think he has the potential to be better than AG. There is no player in the top ten that I'll be distraught if we take, not even Markannen. I think they will all be good. But I honestly do not see superstardom. I'm praying I'm wrong.


I don't believe he has the lowest floor. He's going to be at worst case scenario and elite defender who can rebound and shoot the 3. I think he's one of the few prospects that's pretty much can't miss with a high floor and high ceiling.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#496 » by Darth Magic » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:41 pm

mr2good wrote:
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Unfortunately, outside of Ntilikina, he has the lowest floor. But I do like him and think he has the potential to be better than AG. There is no player in the top ten that I'll be distraught if we take, not even Markannen. I think they will all be good. But I honestly do not see superstardom. I'm praying I'm wrong.


I don't believe he has the lowest floor. He's going to be at worst case scenario and elite defender who can rebound and shoot the 3. I think he's one of the few prospects that's pretty much can't miss with a high floor and high ceiling.


You're probably right. Yeah, I can see him having a higher floor.
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#497 » by PrimeThyme » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:52 pm

Hammond did a interview with Robbins today and it sure seemed like the player he was describing here was Isaac. Really think hes going to be the pick if he's not off the board:

OS: You have a reputation for drafting players who have length and have significant defensive versatility: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Thon Maker and John Henson among them. Some of the picks Jeff has been involved with during his prior stops have similar qualities. Is that the goal with the Magic?

Hammond: Jeff’s philosophy, and my philosophy in the past, has been that. We love length. We love athleticism. But a critical part of the game today is: Can a player stretch the floor and shoot the 3-point shot? So if you can get a combination of something like that — a player who can play multiple positions, a player who has length, a player who has some athleticism, a player that can eventually step on the floor and stretch the floor — in this day and age in this league, those are potential All-Star players.
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Post#498 » by cedric76 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:04 pm

basketballRob wrote:
cedric76 wrote:

Unfortunately I think he won't be there anymore at 6 :-(


Tatum is a pretty good consolation prize.

I really hope tatum can become better than I think (if we draft him)
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#499 » by Bensational » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:11 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:Hammond did a interview with Robbins today and it sure seemed like the player he was describing here was Isaac. Really think hes going to be the pick if he's not off the board:

OS: You have a reputation for drafting players who have length and have significant defensive versatility: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Thon Maker and John Henson among them. Some of the picks Jeff has been involved with during his prior stops have similar qualities. Is that the goal with the Magic?

Hammond: Jeff’s philosophy, and my philosophy in the past, has been that. We love length. We love athleticism. But a critical part of the game today is: Can a player stretch the floor and shoot the 3-point shot? So if you can get a combination of something like that — a player who can play multiple positions, a player who has length, a player who has some athleticism, a player that can eventually step on the floor and stretch the floor — in this day and age in this league, those are potential All-Star players.


This comment interests me less about draft implications, and more for how it holds to our current guys. It's no secret Elf and AG aren't great on the perimeter yet. Does this mean that the new FO already don't see them fitting into their philosophy, or do they still get time to continue to develop?
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Re: The case for Jonathan Isaac 

Post#500 » by Darth Magic » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:18 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:Hammond did a interview with Robbins today and it sure seemed like the player he was describing here was Isaac. Really think hes going to be the pick if he's not off the board:

OS: You have a reputation for drafting players who have length and have significant defensive versatility: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Thon Maker and John Henson among them. Some of the picks Jeff has been involved with during his prior stops have similar qualities. Is that the goal with the Magic?

Hammond: Jeff’s philosophy, and my philosophy in the past, has been that. We love length. We love athleticism. But a critical part of the game today is: Can a player stretch the floor and shoot the 3-point shot? So if you can get a combination of something like that — a player who can play multiple positions, a player who has length, a player who has some athleticism, a player that can eventually step on the floor and stretch the floor — in this day and age in this league, those are potential All-Star players.


A thought. Tatum fits the bill as well :D
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