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[spinedoc]

Between the pics I've seen at Disney, and the beach in FL this week, I'm starting to appreciate Nashville a little more, and that is after having that Tornado pass by my house, what 2 weeks ago?

I can't even keep up with time anymore with so much ish happening.

Yeah, that tornado was vicious. We were glued to it down here in Cleveland as well. Bad enough when it hits an open area, but so much worse when it hits a city like that. The worst was east of Nashville, but the city still got hit fairly hard. Normally it stays down in the dixie alley. I'm protected by the mountains a tad more. A lot of crap going on that's for sure. We even got pets heads falling off!, lol.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I promise this is NOT said in harsh judgment as the undergrad college version of myself did a lot of drunken stupid things. However ...

I have to ask. Is filling the Florida beaches for spring break during the outbreak dumber than anything I or we did?

True, the vast majority of these kids have nothing themselves to worry about but if campuses close and they are sent home, what if they become carriers for their older loved ones?

It's about them becoming vectors though...

It absolutely is stupid and selfish, and from a financial stand point, sort of understandable.

These kids all bought tickets and booked hotel rooms sometime last year. It is understandable that people are going to be selfish, that is what our system was predicted on. I could totally see a teen to 20 something year old, saying "Eff that, I paid 2k+ to go to this party in Florida, so I am going."

It is also why the administration should have acted back in January. Its effing Mid March now...

I have multiple nieces and nephews in Panama City beach as I type this post ... as long as they self-quarantine away from nana and papa for a few weeks (and their friends do the same) I guess that is all we can do. It isn’t enough. It will never be enough. But it’s done.

See I have elderly relatives that live in Panama, so your nieces and nephews better not be shopping at their Publix!

Joking, but it really could be that simple and we'll never know.

Some spring breaker might kill my aunt because they shopped at the same grocery store and Auntie didn't wear gloves.

It's a bit of a mind **ck, really.

[EAS Law]

Well said. Sadly its like if it doesn't happens to me how cares attitude that has been ingrained into our society, or you are on your own attitude. Why we don't have universal healthcare. Then for example you have Sinclair stations reading scripts and telling people for weeks don't take this seriously and we have a large portions of the country dismissing this as overblown...

The federal government and local governments are doing literally anything possible to combat this outbreak at the moment, including aid for people to stay home, so I’m not sure where any of this is coming from. Decisions like shutting down an entire country or limiting productivity are big ones that don’t necessarily happen instantaneously for better or worse.

I don’t think many people have taken the “screw other people” approach, rather, it’s been an evaluation of what’s going and analysis of available data (which changes) to make rational decisions. Some people are dumb and reckless, yes, but I don’t think that’s the prevailing attitude or approach right now.

Condemning people before things happen or dismissing them as “smug A-holes” isn’t likely to result in constructive communication of ideas or information.

That is B.S. deflection, and you know it. You were the smug a hole at the beginning of this. I just called you out for it.

We don't need that attitude now, we should all have been convincing each other to self isolate TO KEEP OUR HOSPITALS FROM FAILING TO PROVIDE CARE to the mass of people that will NEED ventilators and respirators! Additionally all of our doctors should have had all the PPE they needed 2 months ago!


Now, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION LEFT we must ALL isolate so we can get the virus at different times. This is solely to keep our system from FAILING (like Italy's has) to address the amount of needed medical equipment to keep patients alive.

We are all going to get this, the shutting down of everything is to stagger the effects. This is only achieved from enforcing closing everything down because so many people think that rules don't apply to them.

I’m going to address this direct to squash the personal bickering—understand that I do my best to address people on this forum the way I am addressed. I’ve learned through the years here how quickly discussion goes downhill.

The assumption was made that my understanding of the situation and conclusions of appropriate response were based on politics—they weren’t and aren’t. I honestly don’t care what politicians have to say about this stuff and never have. That resulted in some pretty harsh responses and then I responded in kind. I’d prefer to stop that.

Is it dumb to respond to this situation with an abundance of caution? Certainly not anymore. You had it right on that from the start.

I don’t believe this is some cataclysm, but I obviously care for those around me and think we need to protect the vulnerable so whatever we need to do, we need to do.

I’d agree that we should learn from this to have better protocols in place to respond to pandemics appropriately. What those adjustments may be, I don’t know exactly because you can’t exactly prepare for society’s irrational behavior, or how you anticipate what you need to test/treat a new virus or condition.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

The federal government and local governments are doing literally anything possible to combat this outbreak at the moment, including aid for people to stay home, so I’m not sure where any of this is coming from. Decisions like shutting down an entire country or limiting productivity are big ones that don’t necessarily happen instantaneously for better or worse.

I don’t think many people have taken the “screw other people” approach, rather, it’s been an evaluation of what’s going and analysis of available data (which changes) to make rational decisions. Some people are dumb and reckless, yes, but I don’t think that’s the prevailing attitude or approach right now.

Condemning people before things happen or dismissing them as “smug A-holes” isn’t likely to result in constructive communication of ideas or information.

That is B.S. deflection, and you know it. You were the smug a hole at the beginning of this. I just called you out for it.

We don't need that attitude now, we should all have been convincing each other to self isolate TO KEEP OUR HOSPITALS FROM FAILING TO PROVIDE CARE to the mass of people that will NEED ventilators and respirators! Additionally all of our doctors should have had all the PPE they needed 2 months ago!


Now, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION LEFT we must ALL isolate so we can get the virus at different times. This is solely to keep our system from FAILING (like Italy's has) to address the amount of needed medical equipment to keep patients alive.

We are all going to get this, the shutting down of everything is to stagger the effects. This is only achieved from enforcing closing everything down because so many people think that rules don't apply to them.

I’m going to address this direct to squash the personal bickering—understand that I do my best to address people on this forum the way I am addressed. I’ve learned through the years here how quickly discussion goes downhill.

The assumption was made that my understanding of the situation and conclusions of appropriate response were based on politics—they weren’t and aren’t. I honestly don’t care what politicians have to say about this stuff and never have. That resulted in some pretty harsh responses and then I responded in kind. I’d prefer to stop that.

Is it dumb to respond to this situation with an abundance of caution? Certainly not anymore. You had it right on that from the start.

I don’t believe this is some cataclysm, but I obviously care for those around me and think we need to protect the vulnerable so whatever we need to do, we need to do.

I’d agree that we should learn from this to have better protocols in place to respond to pandemics appropriately. What those adjustments may be, I don’t know exactly because you can’t exactly prepare for society’s irrational behavior, or how you anticipate what you need to test/treat a new virus or condition.

Yeah, and I can be acerbic at best sometimes also. So I am sure I overreacted, as well. I'll recognize and apologize on both fronts if you were offended.

That said I have been really frustrated by this because I am over analytical, and saw some graphs and charts that should make your toes curl.

I posted it earlier, around 3/13/20, and there has been multiple back and forths since then.

People just don't trust people anymore, we could get into a whole different conversation on that by itself, but we cannot be the America that Winston Churchill dubbed us as in the last world war. We HAD to be proactive, and we weren't. We were the same America that Churchill gently chided as -

"America will do the right thing, once it has exhausted all other options. "

We'll suffer for not remembering the past here, and that frustrates me greatly.

[Ducklett]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

P.S. Just in case you think 18 Months is made up, here is a NYT article FROM TODAY about it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-virus-plan-anticipates-18-month-pandemic-and-widespread-shortages/ar-BB11ktjA?ocid=spartanntp

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Between the pics I've seen at Disney, and the beach in FL this week, I'm starting to appreciate Nashville a little more, and that is after having that Tornado pass by my house, what 2 weeks ago?

I can't even keep up with time anymore with so much ish happening.

Yeah, that tornado was vicious. We were glued to it down here in Cleveland as well. Bad enough when it hits an open area, but so much worse when it hits a city like that. The worst was east of Nashville, but the city still got hit fairly hard. Normally it stays down in the dixie alley. I'm protected by the mountains a tad more. A lot of crap going on that's for sure. We even got pets heads falling off!, lol.

It honestly freaked me the eff out. I hug the Mt juliet/Hermitage line, and firstly it is scary when you have no warning. But secondly....


I thought "emergency supplies" after the hurricane that you didn't prepare for and there is no power.

I thought chick fil-a down the street and then grocery store for non refrigerated foods.

I have two ways to get out of my subdivision. Downed lines on both streets and bumper to bumper traffic that moved 6 inches at a time...

Quickly turning around to go home took me over an hour!

What I saw the next time I braved going out was worse, all of Hermitage out of power. I had to drive to Mt. J just to find a grocery store and gas station that had power.

It wasn't for 2 days that police showed up to direct traffic...

I was worried about Coronavirus response BEFORE that happened.

[spinedoc]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

Okay, let's calm down here. No one is attacking the Republican party, they are criticizing this president. I believe there is merit for it. After all, the President then didn't say that H1N1 was a Republican hoax. There is intentional bad or misinformation being put out on conservative outlets, and we are having to filter through that in order to get a decent set of facts out. I've even seen things about martial law and other crazy things. Let's not be so defensive to "our" party and simply call it for what it is. I honestly believe I would do the same if it were the left doing this as well. Hey, I have a lot of issues with the Kale crowd too, let's try to be civil and intellectually honest with one another.

[Ducklett]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

Okay, let's calm down here. No one is attacking the Republican party, they are criticizing this president. I believe there is merit for it. After all, the President then didn't say that H1N1 was a Republican hoax. There is intentional bad or misinformation being put out on conservative outlets, and we are having to filter through that in order to get a decent set of facts out. I've even seen things about martial law and other crazy things. Let's not be so defensive to "our" party and simply call it for what it is. I honestly believe I would do the same if it were the left doing this as well. Hey, I have a lot of issues with the Kale crowd too, let's try to be civil and intellectually honest with one another.

Your criticism isn't realistic. You have 1000s of scientists and 100s of models all predicting different things. Remember back in January where we thought it was only a week incubation period? Now we are at unknown to infinite because we have cases of people asymptomatic for ~2 months still testing positive. Turns out as more facts came out the policy and rhetoric changed. Why/how is that shocking to people? It just seems so disingenuous to suggest that Trump and Trump alone somehow handled this correctly/incorrectly at point A while not judging it from point A's facts on the virus/situation and judging on what we know now. Was the "democrat hoax" comment totally stupid? Yep. Who cares about what he said at a rally? He made a task force and got every facet of CDC/FEMA/etc to make plans and give him ones that don't totally destroy our economy and they are trying to make guess work policy. It is a totally damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for this guy. I don't even truly care for Trump, but villainizing him over this is so childish and reeks of partisan bull**** that has been running discourse in this country into the ground for decades.

[EAS Law]

That is B.S. deflection, and you know it. You were the smug a hole at the beginning of this. I just called you out for it.

We don't need that attitude now, we should all have been convincing each other to self isolate TO KEEP OUR HOSPITALS FROM FAILING TO PROVIDE CARE to the mass of people that will NEED ventilators and respirators! Additionally all of our doctors should have had all the PPE they needed 2 months ago!


Now, BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION LEFT we must ALL isolate so we can get the virus at different times. This is solely to keep our system from FAILING (like Italy's has) to address the amount of needed medical equipment to keep patients alive.

We are all going to get this, the shutting down of everything is to stagger the effects. This is only achieved from enforcing closing everything down because so many people think that rules don't apply to them.

I’m going to address this direct to squash the personal bickering—understand that I do my best to address people on this forum the way I am addressed. I’ve learned through the years here how quickly discussion goes downhill.

The assumption was made that my understanding of the situation and conclusions of appropriate response were based on politics—they weren’t and aren’t. I honestly don’t care what politicians have to say about this stuff and never have. That resulted in some pretty harsh responses and then I responded in kind. I’d prefer to stop that.

Is it dumb to respond to this situation with an abundance of caution? Certainly not anymore. You had it right on that from the start.

I don’t believe this is some cataclysm, but I obviously care for those around me and think we need to protect the vulnerable so whatever we need to do, we need to do.

I’d agree that we should learn from this to have better protocols in place to respond to pandemics appropriately. What those adjustments may be, I don’t know exactly because you can’t exactly prepare for society’s irrational behavior, or how you anticipate what you need to test/treat a new virus or condition.

Yeah, and I can be acerbic at best sometimes also. So I am sure I overreacted, as well. I'll recognize and apologize on both fronts if you were offended.

That said I have been really frustrated by this because I am over analytical, and saw some graphs and charts that should make your toes curl.

I posted it earlier, around 3/13/20, and there has been multiple back and forths since then.

People just don't trust people anymore, we could get into a whole different conversation on that by itself, but we cannot be the America that Winston Churchill dubbed us as in the last world war. We HAD to be proactive, and we weren't. We were the same America that Churchill gently chided as -

"America will do the right thing, once it has exhausted all other options. "

We'll suffer for not remembering the past here, and that frustrates me greatly.

We’re good man. This is why people like myself have to bring in people like you to explain what the numbers mean and ensure the right numbers are focused upon. We all could probably afford some more willingness to exchange ideas and discuss without getting aggressive—I’ll do my part there too.

Trying to gently address this without making it political per Knightro’s request—what do you think could have/should have been done differently to have produced a better result? I sort of think people would have largely ignored the risks regardless of what the federal government advised just like what we saw with the beach and spring break.

Mandatory shutdown protocols maybe?

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

It all came down to testing and containment as quick as possible.

We failed miserably at both.

Now it really is we are going to have to work from home for the foreseeable future..

Duckett referenced the 18 months, in what I interpreted as him belittling the department.

That is the Mother F***ing CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Protection!

If they say 18 months you should really start to wrap your head around what we are talking about here. In who's lifetime has ALL major sports, schools, restaurants, and the service industry all been shuttered over a little flu?

That alone should tell you what we are in for.

I've worked from home for the last decade and became a recluse. Only person that can affect me is my wife. I'll still get it. Mine will just be later than others.

[Ducklett]

It all came down to testing and containment as quick as possible.

We failed miserably at both.

Now it really is we are going to have to work from home for the foreseeable future..

Duckett referenced the 18 months, in what I interpreted as him belittling the department.

That is the Mother F***ing CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Protection!

If they say 18 months you should really start to wrap your head around what we are talking about here. In who's lifetime has ALL major sports, schools, restaurants, and the service industry all been shuttered over a little flu?

That alone should tell you what we are in for.

I've worked from home for the last decade and became a recluse. Only person that can affect me is my wife. I'll still get it. Mine will just be later than others.

You act like the CDC is infallible. In a lot of ways they are less accurate at their professions than NOAA is at predicting hurricanes.

When does the cure (shutdown/isolation for 18 months) become more damaging than the disease? Economists are all predicting ~20% unemployment rate and will see some cities that are tourism dependent (Orlando) up to 66% jobless. THAT'S INSANE. How long do you expect these companies to pick up the tab for sick days? 2 weeks? 2 months? Certainly not 18 months. On a plan that the CDC thinks, depending on which expert you ask, should end in 8 weeks... err no the end of June.... err wait the end of summer... err 18 MONTHS!
Maybe when Israel or Australia's treatment/vaccines are human tested.

But wait... some experts also say it will mutate and flair up every year like the seasonal flu, so does that mean 18 month shutdown every season?

There aren't answers to these questions. You should be wondering about this stuff too.

[pepe1991]

my country just shut down all restorants, caffee bars , cinemas and everything else for 30 days

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

The CDC is filled with the BEST minds that have dedicated their entire career to learning and combating the very thing we are talking about.

Its pretty simple. You take advice from the best in a field unless you are the best in that field.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

It all came down to testing and containment as quick as possible.

We failed miserably at both.

Now it really is we are going to have to work from home for the foreseeable future..

Duckett referenced the 18 months, in what I interpreted as him belittling the department.

That is the Mother F***ing CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Protection!

If they say 18 months you should really start to wrap your head around what we are talking about here. In who's lifetime has ALL major sports, schools, restaurants, and the service industry all been shuttered over a little flu?

That alone should tell you what we are in for.

I've worked from home for the last decade and became a recluse. Only person that can affect me is my wife. I'll still get it. Mine will just be later than others.

You act like the CDC is infallible. In a lot of ways they are less accurate at their professions than NOAA is at predicting hurricanes.

When does the cure (shutdown/isolation for 18 months) become more damaging than the disease? Economists are all predicting ~20% unemployment rate and will see some cities that are tourism dependent (Orlando) up to 66% jobless. THAT'S INSANE. How long do you expect these companies to pick up the tab for sick days? 2 weeks? 2 months? Certainly not 18 months. On a plan that the CDC thinks, depending on which expert you ask, should end in 8 weeks... err no the end of June.... err wait the end of summer... err 18 MONTHS!
Maybe when Israel or Australia's treatment/vaccines are human tested.

But wait... some experts also say it will mutate and flair up every year like the seasonal flu, so does that mean 18 month shutdown every season?

There aren't answers to these questions. You should be wondering about this stuff too.

I expect this to fundamentally change the way society is ran. I'm hoping for the "Bill and Ted" sort of society, but fully expect the "Mad Max" version.

[Ducklett]

It all came down to testing and containment as quick as possible.

We failed miserably at both.

Now it really is we are going to have to work from home for the foreseeable future..

Duckett referenced the 18 months, in what I interpreted as him belittling the department.

That is the Mother F***ing CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Protection!

If they say 18 months you should really start to wrap your head around what we are talking about here. In who's lifetime has ALL major sports, schools, restaurants, and the service industry all been shuttered over a little flu?

That alone should tell you what we are in for.

I've worked from home for the last decade and became a recluse. Only person that can affect me is my wife. I'll still get it. Mine will just be later than others.

You act like the CDC is infallible. In a lot of ways they are less accurate at their professions than NOAA is at predicting hurricanes.

When does the cure (shutdown/isolation for 18 months) become more damaging than the disease? Economists are all predicting ~20% unemployment rate and will see some cities that are tourism dependent (Orlando) up to 66% jobless. THAT'S INSANE. How long do you expect these companies to pick up the tab for sick days? 2 weeks? 2 months? Certainly not 18 months. On a plan that the CDC thinks, depending on which expert you ask, should end in 8 weeks... err no the end of June.... err wait the end of summer... err 18 MONTHS!
Maybe when Israel or Australia's treatment/vaccines are human tested.

But wait... some experts also say it will mutate and flair up every year like the seasonal flu, so does that mean 18 month shutdown every season?

There aren't answers to these questions. You should be wondering about this stuff too.

I expect this to fundamentally change the way society is ran. I'm hoping for the "Bill and Ted" sort of society, but fully expect the "Mad Max" version.

People riot for less, so you probably aren't wrong in that assessment.

[tiderulz]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

Okay, let's calm down here. No one is attacking the Republican party, they are criticizing this president. I believe there is merit for it. After all, the President then didn't say that H1N1 was a Republican hoax. There is intentional bad or misinformation being put out on conservative outlets, and we are having to filter through that in order to get a decent set of facts out. I've even seen things about martial law and other crazy things. Let's not be so defensive to "our" party and simply call it for what it is. I honestly believe I would do the same if it were the left doing this as well. Hey, I have a lot of issues with the Kale crowd too, let's try to be civil and intellectually honest with one another.

yeah, Fox News treated the corona virus as less then the flu a week ago, calling it a democratic tool. now they are all serious about it.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

Okay, let's calm down here. No one is attacking the Republican party, they are criticizing this president. I believe there is merit for it. After all, the President then didn't say that H1N1 was a Republican hoax. There is intentional bad or misinformation being put out on conservative outlets, and we are having to filter through that in order to get a decent set of facts out. I've even seen things about martial law and other crazy things. Let's not be so defensive to "our" party and simply call it for what it is. I honestly believe I would do the same if it were the left doing this as well. Hey, I have a lot of issues with the Kale crowd too, let's try to be civil and intellectually honest with one another.

Your criticism isn't realistic. You have 1000s of scientists and 100s of models all predicting different things. Remember back in January where we thought it was only a week incubation period? Now we are at unknown to infinite because we have cases of people asymptomatic for ~2 months still testing positive. Turns out as more facts came out the policy and rhetoric changed. Why/how is that shocking to people? It just seems so disingenuous to suggest that Trump and Trump alone somehow handled this correctly/incorrectly at point A while not judging it from point A's facts on the virus/situation and judging on what we know now. Was the "democrat hoax" comment totally stupid? Yep. Who cares about what he said at a rally? He made a task force and got every facet of CDC/FEMA/etc to make plans and give him ones that don't totally destroy our economy and they are trying to make guess work policy. It is a totally damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for this guy. I don't even truly care for Trump, but villainizing him over this is so childish and reeks of partisan bull**** that has been running discourse in this country into the ground for decades.

Spine, can you politely explain how Drumpf not only fired the 13 medical directors and gutted the CDC of essential personnel and funds to divert to a wall he never built, but he spent the subsequent months after his impeachment rallying his base and firing those that testified against him via tweet, instead of setting up protocols when he was warned of it?

You can Google Coronavirus and see this didn't start in February.

Whenever national tragedy happens all of America turns to the administration of the president for not just what demeanor to have. But literally set up how supply chains are going to work from state to state, amongst many, many other logistical factors that the administration must contend with, then disseminate the game plan to the Medical directors, and on down the line of management.

This administration is about 2-4 months behind where everyone else is in terms of testing alone.

The reason there has been soooooooooooo many different models is because this is something the medical field has never encountered.

It isn't N1H1, bird, SARS or any others. The best minds are guessing until those guesses become a theory, which then needs to be tested against hundred of times to be proven correct, and only one anomaly or outlier to be disproved, and trashed.

That is how science works, and why we should believe them. They don't google answers. They go through rigorous testing to prove something. Much of that mandated by the government.

I have kept saying administration to be civil here.
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[tiderulz]

The CDC can't even tell you when/if their strategy of social distancing will be concluded. I have seen many CDC "experts" say it could/should be 18 MONTHS. These are the people you think we should be listening to about this? You guys politicizing this are just so ridiculous/disgusting. Be sure to show me your posts from the ignored H1N1 response where it took that administration 6 months before they did a single thing on a federal level to stop it and nothing even close to the response to this. You won't because you guys are political hacks, not actually people.

Sorry, I am just so tired of people complaining about Republicans/Democrats ETC being the issue with this instead of taking a non-bias, honest look at this situation. Welcome to the new normal: what does my party have to say about the situation, not facts/history.

Awesome. Rant over.

Okay, let's calm down here. No one is attacking the Republican party, they are criticizing this president. I believe there is merit for it. After all, the President then didn't say that H1N1 was a Republican hoax. There is intentional bad or misinformation being put out on conservative outlets, and we are having to filter through that in order to get a decent set of facts out. I've even seen things about martial law and other crazy things. Let's not be so defensive to "our" party and simply call it for what it is. I honestly believe I would do the same if it were the left doing this as well. Hey, I have a lot of issues with the Kale crowd too, let's try to be civil and intellectually honest with one another.

Your criticism isn't realistic. You have 1000s of scientists and 100s of models all predicting different things. Remember back in January where we thought it was only a week incubation period? Now we are at unknown to infinite because we have cases of people asymptomatic for ~2 months still testing positive. Turns out as more facts came out the policy and rhetoric changed. Why/how is that shocking to people? It just seems so disingenuous to suggest that Trump and Trump alone somehow handled this correctly/incorrectly at point A while not judging it from point A's facts on the virus/situation and judging on what we know now. Was the "democrat hoax" comment totally stupid? Yep. Who cares about what he said at a rally? He made a task force and got every facet of CDC/FEMA/etc to make plans and give him ones that don't totally destroy our economy and they are trying to make guess work policy. It is a totally damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for this guy. I don't even truly care for Trump, but villainizing him over this is so childish and reeks of partisan bull**** that has been running discourse in this country into the ground for decades.

Trump literally said people could be sick with this, it was mild, and they would go to work because it wasnt "too bad". that wasnt at a rally, that was a press conference.

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It all came down to testing and containment as quick as possible.

We failed miserably at both.

Now it really is we are going to have to work from home for the foreseeable future..

Duckett referenced the 18 months, in what I interpreted as him belittling the department.

That is the Mother F***ing CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Protection!

If they say 18 months you should really start to wrap your head around what we are talking about here. In who's lifetime has ALL major sports, schools, restaurants, and the service industry all been shuttered over a little flu?

That alone should tell you what we are in for.

I've worked from home for the last decade and became a recluse. Only person that can affect me is my wife. I'll still get it. Mine will just be later than others.

i work from home too. but i still have to go out for gas, groceries, etc. so you are likely affected by more than just your wife.

i almost smacked my son last night when he said he and some friends wanted to get together to play some kickball. im like, we are 3 days into semi "quarantine". no, you wont be doing this

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my country just shut down all restorants, caffee bars , cinemas and everything else for 30 days

Houston Rockets owner globally closed down all his restaurants (rain forest cafe, bubba gumps, etc) and laid EVERYONE off. i have friends from my days in Orlando that were affected. as someone who spent 8 years in the restaurant business, there will be a lot of casualties