Orlando Magic Vegas Summer League Games Thread Discussion (vs. Boston)

[basketballRob]

Like 3 of ABs turnovers were partially the other players' fault. Wilson fumbled a pass, and I believe Houstan stepped on the out of bounds line twice.

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[Magic#1]

Black's skills were on display in that first game. I think he has only one or two four-point plays in him for the year though, and he just used it up in a summer league game. I liked the Weltman interview where he said AB makes everyone else better. I think this pick is designed to really get the max out of Paolo, Franz, and the others.

[ChosenSavior]

So Victor isn' softy bust after all?

Twitter haters scattered like roaches after last night...

[bigdogdylan5]

Like 3 of ABs turnovers were partially the other players' fault. Wilson fumbled a pass, and I believe Houstan stepped on the out of bounds line twice.

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One of those Houston ones was on him he threw it behind him and caused Houston to g out of bounds. I want to reiterate the guy was awesome and I am not nitpicking. My only point is that it’s an adjustment period for PGs coming into the NBA it’s the biggest learning curve so the expectations he must start is not where I am at. He needs to play pg with second unit he must to get the reps. Hell the guy looks to be a basketball IQ possible sevant and maybe all he needs is an NBA training camp and preseason and he might be able to learn that quickly I just don’t want to put that pressure on him.

[BlueBlazer]

If you can’t determine if Wemby is a bust after 1 summer league game how can you after 2 games?

[fendilim]

Back from the weekend. Checked on threads and AB performance. Thoughts so far.

Keyonte : A volume shooter into a volume scorer. Maybe he can translate to the NBA well see. I am hyped.

AB : Looked good in game 1 debut. If he keeps this type of performance up, I would say the starting PG spot his the first losing streak we have where the starters don't fall behind to start off.

Mr Howard : I cannot feel any more "meh" at the moment especially when my guy Keyonte is taring it up at the moment. He hasn't disappeared, but he hasn't done anything to show case any ceiling higher then a roll player. But it is just one game as they say.

Houstan : Looks like a solid roll player coming along nicely. Howard should have a good time fighting him for minutes when he is clearly better at this phase.

My son turned 12 today, its been crazy as his birthday seems to be taking up the entire month with all the stuff going on so far.

I really love black and think he will be good to great but this game did show why he shouldn’t be the starting PG and maybe why any rookie shouldn’t be a starting PG on a team trying to compete. He is going to be a turnover machine as he gets up to speed on the nba and what passes he can and can’t get away with.

To be fair, I most of those miscues happened during the first quarter. He got in the groove as the game went on.

I don’t think he deserves to be starter right off the bat also. I’d love to, but I think by midseason he can, but early in the season might be difficult.

[pepe1991]

So Victor isn' softy bust after all?

Twitter haters scattered like roaches after last night...

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[Last Guardian]

I guess Wemby won't bust after all

He is probably going to be very inconsistent in his first couple of years, have some good games like game 2 and some bad games like game 1. The media expectations are severely out of hand though and need to be tempered because its going to take him a while to gain strength and get the guard play out of his mind.

Offensively he will be inconsistent. I think he'll be insane defensively nearly right away. I didn't get to see the second game but I watched the first game and it looks like a bad idea to try to take it to the paint against him.

[zaymon]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

[jonbob17]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

i don't see why he can't be a better version of Jaren Jackson both on offense and defense by the end of his rookie year. That's probably not close to what Lebron was as offensive hub almost immediately, but it's still crazy valuable when looked as a whole.

I don't know, i guess this label he has received as best prospect since Lebron is just a tough spot. Lebron is arguably the best player of all time. I would have had no problem saying that before I was brainwashed by "The Last Dance".

Yah, its hard to envision Wemby being anything close to Lebron on offense without it looking something close to Jokic, which just seems impossible..on Defense though, if he stays healthy he could be the best player on that side of the floor for the next 15 years. I guess it how we value offense vs defense. I mean if he ends up being as good as KAT on offense with defense better that Gobert...what does that look like overall?

[pepe1991]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

Your criticsm about him is unfair and not really objecitve. It feel more like unnecessary "hate" more than anything else.

Lebron James was 6'8 guy who grew up as playmaker. He spent almost whole career in nba playin with ball and offense was always his biggest drawing card. At his best , Lebron was never anything more than slightly above average defender who in his entire career only had 1 amazing 1 on 1 defense, on 22 years old , no jumpshot 6'3 PG Derrick Rose. Guys like Kawhi, George, Melo, Wade always got their stats against him.


If you expected 7'5 , 19 years old kid to have body of prime Shaq i really don't know what to tell you. Fact that guy can self tip himself into casual dunk in middle of play on set defense and brick floater, land, jump on other side, tip ball to himself and set teammate into dunk is just crazy. If you can't see his potential on defense, again, i really don't know what to tell you. He today, probably has bigger impact on defense than Lebron ever had at any point in his career.

Again, Lebron was never elite 1 on 1 defender and never all that great off ball defender. Most teams spent their time hiding him on worst possible matchup out there. For crying out loud, against prime Warriors, instad of guarding Durant, they were sending him on Draymoond Green on regular bases. Go rewatch his prime on Miami, he was guardin Boris Diaw every game

You can probably get away with crappy 4 defenders and Victor in a middle and your defense will still look way better than it should. Basically Gobert , just without stone hands, without boneheaded play etc.

You can limit his offense on strict pick&roll , shots around rim. He would probably finish season on 65% FG. but that's not how you will get most of him. I'm more than confident in my claim that VIctor today is top 10 nba center, without single game played.

[zaymon]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

Your criticsm about him is unfair and not really objecitve. It feel more like unnecessary "hate" more than anything else.

Lebron James was 6'8 guy who grew up as playmaker. He spent almost whole career in nba playin with ball and offense was always his biggest drawing card. At his best , Lebron was never anything more than slightly above average defender who in his entire career only had 1 amazing 1 on 1 defense, on 22 years old , no jumpshot 6'3 PG Derrick Rose. Guys like Kawhi, George, Melo, Wade always got their stats against him.


If you expected 7'5 , 19 years old kid to have body of prime Shaq i really don't know what to tell you. Fact that guy can self tip himself into casual dunk in middle of play on set defense and brick floater, land, jump on other side, tip ball to himself and set teammate into dunk is just crazy. If you can't see his potential on defense, again, i really don't know what to tell you. He today, probably has bigger impact on defense than Lebron ever had at any point in his career.

Again, Lebron was never elite 1 on 1 defender and never all that great off ball defender. Most teams spent their time hiding him on worst possible matchup out there. For crying out loud, against prime Warriors, instad of guarding Durant, they were sending him on Draymoond Green on regular bases. Go rewatch his prime on Miami, he was guardin Boris Diaw every game

You can probably get away with crappy 4 defenders and Victor in a middle and your defense will still look way better than it should. Basically Gobert , just without stone hands, without boneheaded play etc.

You can limit his offense on strict pick&roll , shots around rim. He would probably finish season on 65% FG. but that's not how you will get most of him. I'm more than confident in my claim that VIctor today is top 10 nba center, without single game played.

I have no idea what you are arguing about. I just wrote that he will propably be great defender. I wonder how he will do in the playoffs against switches but in regular season he will be great.
Who expected Shaq ? I just dont understand your post sorry. 3/4 of the post you are arguing about something i didnt wrote and thing about offense ? Yes he is a freak and he makes freaky plays. Freaky plays wont make offense great as we saw with Bol. Until we see consistency its all speculation. One bad game doesnt make him a bust but one good game doesnt make him best prospect since Lebron.
btw Doncic was a lot better prospect.

[Ralof]

Wembayama need mounths,maybe the entire first year to adjust to the league,during second second season at some point he is gonna take the league like a storm.

The potential of his defense is not Gobert,it is something we can not even imagine,Bill Russell domination alike,like 10 times DOTY.

On offense,Porzingis,seriously?did you see how he is insanely agile around the rim?
this guy is a 20 point game just with offensive rebounds and plays next to the basket,in the short roll is gonna be basically unstoppable with that touch and that passing ability.

if he adds just a moderately good jump-shot is basically already an unsolvable puzzle,eould shot over anyone in the league.

i get it he is not gonna be a lebron-like type of player,but think about this: peak AD,that bubble playoff,probably even better,but always like that for 10+ seasons;what is that? an all time great,that is absolutely what he is projected to be.

that said,he is not his fault if media act dumb to be enjoyable for dumb people and try to sell him for something he is not.

[ChosenSavior]

So Victor isn' softy bust after all?

Twitter haters scattered like roaches after last night...

Every time i need portion of outrageus idiot takes i watch reddit, twitter , Skip Bayless and Perkins. My daily dosage of human stupidity fills up in second

You better than me cause I don't know if my brain can handle that much of garbage takes. Twitter supplies it plenty...

[Ducklett]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

You don't think Wemby can't score 20ppg on 19FGA shooting 29% from 3 and 40% from the field? I think he could be that bad offensively.

Paolo was 20ppg on 15FGA, 29% from 3 and 42% from the field, and people on the GB think he sucks.

[dsg2021]

Black's skills were on display in that first game. I think he has only one or two four-point plays in him for the year though, and he just used it up in a summer league game. I liked the Weltman interview where he said AB makes everyone else better. I think this pick is designed to really get the max out of Paolo, Franz, and the others.

How exactly does not being able to shoot and having to drive a ton help out Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner who have more complete, efficient games as point forwards. I’m genuinely trying to understand how giving Paolo less post plays and elbow plays, less point forward possessions is a good thing.

[pepe1991]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

Your criticsm about him is unfair and not really objecitve. It feel more like unnecessary "hate" more than anything else.

Lebron James was 6'8 guy who grew up as playmaker. He spent almost whole career in nba playin with ball and offense was always his biggest drawing card. At his best , Lebron was never anything more than slightly above average defender who in his entire career only had 1 amazing 1 on 1 defense, on 22 years old , no jumpshot 6'3 PG Derrick Rose. Guys like Kawhi, George, Melo, Wade always got their stats against him.


If you expected 7'5 , 19 years old kid to have body of prime Shaq i really don't know what to tell you. Fact that guy can self tip himself into casual dunk in middle of play on set defense and brick floater, land, jump on other side, tip ball to himself and set teammate into dunk is just crazy. If you can't see his potential on defense, again, i really don't know what to tell you. He today, probably has bigger impact on defense than Lebron ever had at any point in his career.

Again, Lebron was never elite 1 on 1 defender and never all that great off ball defender. Most teams spent their time hiding him on worst possible matchup out there. For crying out loud, against prime Warriors, instad of guarding Durant, they were sending him on Draymoond Green on regular bases. Go rewatch his prime on Miami, he was guardin Boris Diaw every game

You can probably get away with crappy 4 defenders and Victor in a middle and your defense will still look way better than it should. Basically Gobert , just without stone hands, without boneheaded play etc.

You can limit his offense on strict pick&roll , shots around rim. He would probably finish season on 65% FG. but that's not how you will get most of him. I'm more than confident in my claim that VIctor today is top 10 nba center, without single game played.

I have no idea what you are arguing about. I just wrote that he will propably be great defender. I wonder how he will do in the playoffs against switches but in regular season he will be great.
Who expected Shaq ? I just dont understand your post sorry. 3/4 of the post you are arguing about something i didnt wrote and thing about offense ? Yes he is a freak and he makes freaky plays. Freaky plays wont make offense great as we saw with Bol. Until we see consistency its all speculation. One bad game doesnt make him a bust but one good game doesnt make him best prospect since Lebron.
btw Doncic was a lot better prospect.

Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

You literally compared him to Lebron on offense because you really expect similar skillset on 6'8 and 7'5 body. Than you bring up Bol.

And Luka is amazing player and elite prospect and arived in draft as most acomplished sub 20 years old player probably ever, but let's not pretend that since Luka's arrival his career exponentionally surpassed- white -Harden stanards, because it didn't.

Does that mean Luka can't or won't ever lead team to championships? No. But i'm judging him on what he showcased in nba to this point. Great personal stats, great playoff perfomances, too self- centric, struggles to play with other stars,best used when he is only elite player on court.


Would you sleep better if people compare VW to Anthony Davis instad? Not all superstar players need to be ball dominant, self centric , 35% usage rate players.

Imo, he doesn't have comparison, but his ceiling is some modern day Jabbar. Insaine size, crazy potential, elite instics, when he matures he will average 20 ppg without even trying and due his impossible to match size, he will be human FTA magnet.

[jonbob17]

Wembanyama could be really good as defensive player similar to rookie Mobley.
Offensively he has a long way to go and is nowhere near Lebron as prospect, he is not even best offensive prospect in this draft. One game shots will fall, other game shots will not fall but he is not a genius passer and he cant go all the way to the rim with his dribble and lack of strength. He cant even do it against below g league talent.

You don't think Wemby can't score 20ppg on 19FGA shooting 29% from 3 and 40% from the field? I think he could be that bad offensively.

Paolo was 20ppg on 15FGA, 29% from 3 and 42% from the field, and people on the GB think he sucks.

You think a 7'5" guy FG% is going to be 40%. I mean Bol was in the mid 60% from the field before he got hurt, and that's with a third of his shots coming from the perimeter. If Wembanyama's FG% is less than 60% it's only if he is taking 7 threes a game on less than 30% from 3 like you said, and other mid rangers. He'll get so many gimmes on putbacks and such.

He'll be the primary option, but I can't imagine he'll be taking nearly as many pull ups as Paolo.

[Cammo101]

Judging Wemby by his first summer league game is a good way to look really dumb when people pull these quotes back up.

[fendilim]

Wembanyama needs a point guard.