Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[thelead]

He lost his status to the point that he was benched and we drafted two guards in the lottery, one of which, AB, is in the same archetype.

I always thought it was obvious the Magic drafted Black to be what they wanted Suggs to be. Black is basically Suggs with basketball instincts.

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

[eyriq]

I always thought it was obvious the Magic drafted Black to be what they wanted Suggs to be. Black is basically Suggs with basketball instincts.

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

[CarraT]

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

Its not even close. Suggs is already a nice 3rd option, he got a 150 mio. contract. He just needs to be played at his natural position, which is SG. AB still has to prove he will be an NBA player in 3 years. So far he is one of the worst guards on offense in whole league.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

It's Suggs & AB unless AB doesn't improve at all, and in that case, we're in big trouble.

Suggs is providing 3rd option value. 16 PPG, 4 boards, almost 4 assists, 1.5 steals & 1 block on 41/31/90 splits is pretty damn solid. The issue is when he goes to the bench we've got no one that can replicate what he does offensively and that's a HUGE problem. Moe Wagner did a good bit of that but then was a turnstile defensively which negated what he brought offensively unless JI covered.

Magic need another 16/4/3 type player who can do that effortlessly and there so happens to be 2 of them available for basically an expiring contract and a 1st. Gary & Cole shouldn't be on this roster post-trade deadline and if they are it's because the FO was too scared to make a SIMPLE move.

If the Magic can find that 16/4/3 type player then your guard spots are locked up for the next 2+ years easily. Suggs, AB, KCP & said player should be able to be rotated in any combo and be effective enough for us to take another step.

[three3d]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

[Fortune Teller]

Facts. The writing is on the wall.

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

The most vulnerable is the guy who shoots 24% from three and has a ceiling of Michael Carter-Williams-light.

[thelead]

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

It's Suggs & AB unless AB doesn't improve at all, and in that case, we're in big trouble.

Suggs is providing 3rd option value. 16 PPG, 4 boards, almost 4 assists, 1.5 steals & 1 block on 41/31/90 splits is pretty damn solid. The issue is when he goes to the bench we've got no one that can replicate what he does offensively and that's a HUGE problem. Moe Wagner did a good bit of that but then was a turnstile defensively which negated what he brought offensively unless JI covered.

Magic need another 16/4/3 type player who can do that effortlessly and there so happens to be 2 of them available for basically an expiring contract and a 1st. Gary & Cole shouldn't be on this roster post-trade deadline and if they are it's because the FO was too scared to make a SIMPLE move.

If the Magic can find that 16/4/3 type player then your guard spots are locked up for the next 2+ years easily. Suggs, AB, KCP & said player should be able to be rotated in any combo and be effective enough for us to take another step.

This. Suggs has earned his spot as part of the core. AB still has to prove he belongs. We’re all hoping he does.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I wasnt an Lavine fan but now feel like we should trade for him.

[BadMofoPimp]

The writing was actually on a 5-year contact extension….

Do you think that it's AB vs Suggs or AB & Suggs? Can they coexist if neither are viable 3rd options? If neither is, who is the most vulnerable?

Its not even close. Suggs is already a nice 3rd option, he got a 150 mio. contract. He just needs to be played at his natural position, which is SG. AB still has to prove he will be an NBA player in 3 years. So far he is one of the worst guards on offense in whole league.

May not be close now, but AB's 2nd year stats are really close to Suggs 2nd year stats. Who knows how he develops. I think once KCP's contract is up, AB and Suggs will share the backcourt together.

[VFX]

What is the asking price for Coby White or Ayo Dosunmu? That is the main question I would be asking.

Some team looking to shed money for our later draft picks this year. Chicago is probably looking to blow it up soon.

[RookieStar]

This will sound crazy but IF Portland wanted to dump Ayton’s massive salary in a Simons deal could we do that and how would that work. He’s owed 34M this season and 35M next season I believe. That would be a really big contract coming off our books in the summer of 2026.

If they want expiring, we only have Moe and Gary with team options. So don't think we can do that.

[Idiosyncratic]

What is the asking price for Coby White or Ayo Dosunmu? That is the main question I would be asking.

Some team looking to shed money for our later draft picks this year. Chicago is probably looking to blow it up soon.

I like Coby, you can never tell with the Bulls though. Some of their fans think they will keep both.

Some rumors about Lavine being in the Butler trade in some capacity to either the Suns or Bucks.

[Idiosyncratic]

I'm checking in on the price on Jose Alvarado. Would be a perfect backup PG for 20 minutes a night in our system.

If the Rockets trade Cam Whitmore I'm seeing if I can snag him in a 3-team deal. Acquiring team may prefer picks to having to pay him soon if they are tanky enough.

Those are my two slightly outside of the box options.

[Bensational]

It wouldn’t help us now but I would make a deal for Tre Mann and let him finish his rehab in Orlando. He’s probably going to struggle to get a big offer from any team in the offseason so owning his bird rights and option to match could lead to a bargain deal for him. He was off to a great start this season and gives us what we need - shooting, ballhandling and some playmaking.

I’d probably be prepared to offer Jett or one of our 1sts for him.

Then again I don’t really know how long term recovery from disc irritation goes for most NBA players these days.

[Idiosyncratic]

It wouldn’t help us now but I would make a deal for Tre Mann and let him finish his rehab in Orlando. He’s probably going to struggle to get a big offer from any team in the offseason so owning his bird rights and option to match could lead to a bargain deal for him. He was off to a great start this season and gives us what we need - shooting, ballhandling and some playmaking.

I’d probably be prepared to offer Jett or one of our 1sts for him.

Then again I don’t really know how long term recovery from disc irritation goes for most NBA players these days.

Yes, Tre Mann is an option I thought about as well.

From what I can tell Hornets fans were sure they would extend him after his play early in the season. Worth a call though, you never know.

Maybe we could buy-low on Nick Smith Jr.? Shoots 3s well, but does nothing else at an NBA level yet. Change of scenery swap with Jett or some 2nds, maybe.

Gets boring discussing Anfernee Simons.

[ogmagicfan]

I'm in the camp that would prefer

Coby White, Brogdon, or Tre Mann

over

Sexton or Simons

For 2 reasons: The top 3 are better defenders than the bottom 2. The top 3 have a better playmaking pedigree than the bottom 2 (specifically Brogdon).

The problem is between all 5 of them, I'm not sure any of them have the playmaking chops of a modern PG. We say alot about 3 pt shooting (all 5 can shoot) but I'd argue we need a legitimate playmaker/starting level PG as much if not more than just solely shooting.

Thus the KCP addition and how it hasnt helped as much as we'd expect, of course we have a small sample size when fully healthy but still

[ogmagicfan]

I hope that Anthony Parker, who played plenty of NBA, has watched this team healthy & not healthy and knows we have some major issues on the offensive side. Yes, we're a defense-first team and a damn good one when healthy. However, we could really use some offensive power and while it might take us from top 5 defensive team to a top 10 one, offensively when healthy we could get closer to middle of the pack.

Time is running out for them to sit still and not make a move. It doesn't and shouldn't be an all-in move, but we need to shuffle the deck a bit and hope for a better shoe to get some cash

I've consistently been in the camp to not make a all-in move, but instead make a move that gives us a PG for the meantime for a season or 2 to let our players play with more space and pace while we evaluate the potential of all our young pieces.

Moving a 1st rounder or a couple 2nd with Jett and an expiring attached is something alot of teams would bite on

[Skybox]

I hope that Anthony Parker, who played plenty of NBA, has watched this team healthy & not healthy and knows we have some major issues on the offensive side. Yes, we're a defense-first team and a damn good one when healthy. However, we could really use some offensive power and while it might take us from top 5 defensive team to a top 10 one, offensively when healthy we could get closer to middle of the pack.

Time is running out for them to sit still and not make a move. It doesn't and shouldn't be an all-in move, but we need to shuffle the deck a bit and hope for a better shoe to get some cash

I've consistently been in the camp to not make a all-in move,but instead make a move that gives us a PG for the meantime for a season or 2 to let our players play with more space and pace while we evaluate the potential of all our young pieces.

Moving a 1st rounder or a couple 2nd with Jett and an expiring attached is something alot of teams would bite on

What is an all-in move, in your opinion?

I think 90% of the ones proposed are sending out minimal rotation guys and a late frp or srps and return a guy with one more season under contract…by all-in do you mean something riskier and more substantial, like Fox?

[ogmagicfan]

I hope that Anthony Parker, who played plenty of NBA, has watched this team healthy & not healthy and knows we have some major issues on the offensive side. Yes, we're a defense-first team and a damn good one when healthy. However, we could really use some offensive power and while it might take us from top 5 defensive team to a top 10 one, offensively when healthy we could get closer to middle of the pack.

Time is running out for them to sit still and not make a move. It doesn't and shouldn't be an all-in move, but we need to shuffle the deck a bit and hope for a better shoe to get some cash

I've consistently been in the camp to not make a all-in move,but instead make a move that gives us a PG for the meantime for a season or 2 to let our players play with more space and pace while we evaluate the potential of all our young pieces.

Moving a 1st rounder or a couple 2nd with Jett and an expiring attached is something alot of teams would bite on

What is an all-in move, in your opinion?

I think 90% of the ones proposed are sending out minimal rotation guys and a late frp or srps and return a guy with one more season under contract…by all-in do you mean something riskier and more substantial, like Fox?

A trade for Fox is a good example. A trade for Donovan when the Cavs traded for him is another one because it was too early in our developmental window.

I'm also reluctant to make overpays as well. No matter how many 1st we have on hand. If we're moving 2 1sts for a player I'm expecting a above average starter in the NBA.

I want us to make a move, but to be level headed and not reactionary because of the problems we've faced.

[Orlando Dawg]

Trade the Farm for Fox