2024-2025 Regular Season Game 61: Golden State Warriors (31-27) at Orlando Magic (29-31) - 7pm

[pepe1991]

Who let Cedric escape from 1953? Just hold opponents under 80 points and 6 points, 1 rebound and 1 assist in 20 min is great basketball.

[KillMonger]

i mean i'm pretty close to checking out of the season.....about 80 percent there.....it's kinda funny.....i'm actually looking forward to the offseason....because i know GUARANTEED there will be movement, it has to happen weltman did this to himself.....kicked the can down the road every season well now you can't anymore you hit a wall....i expect massive changes or i really believe this time it Will cost weltman his job

[SOUL]

Sad thing is we played well enough to win Memphis and this game. All-timer gamer from Steph and Grizz collapse after beating their ass all game. Coming at the worst time when we need ANY wins though.

I can handle 40 point Cavs loss if we win those two, but in conjunction it just sucks

[Husky1]

i mean i'm pretty close to checking out of the season.....about 80 percent there.....it's kinda funny.....i'm actually looking forward to the offseason....because i know GUARANTEED there will be movement, it has to happen weltman did this to himself.....kicked the can down the road every season well now you can't anymore you hit a wall....i expect massive changes or i really believe this time it Will cost weltman his job

This gives even more reason to fire Weltman immediately right? He has backed himself into a corner and teams know this. If he thinks he was squeezed at the deadline then wait until the offseason. He is more than likely going to make a desperation trade now as he prob knows he loses his job if he doesn't. So best to remove him before he does this? Add to the fact that he has shown has absolutely no idea how to draft mid to late first round picks?

[Skybox]

i mean i'm pretty close to checking out of the season.....about 80 percent there.....it's kinda funny.....i'm actually looking forward to the offseason....because i know GUARANTEED there will be movement, it has to happen weltman did this to himself.....kicked the can down the road every season well now you can't anymore you hit a wall....i expect massive changes or i really believe this time it Will cost weltman his job

I always want a proactive approach but I legit believed it was the way you described it (He HAS TO) for at least a summer and this recent TD….so don’t hold your breath.

[SHAQ32]

i mean i'm pretty close to checking out of the season.....about 80 percent there.....it's kinda funny.....i'm actually looking forward to the offseason....because i know GUARANTEED there will be movement, it has to happen weltman did this to himself.....kicked the can down the road every season well now you can't anymore you hit a wall....i expect massive changes or i really believe this time it Will cost weltman his job

Front office/ownership has yet to get me to check in to be able to check out

[FFBlitzace]

The thing now is, the concern might shift from Weltman being too passive to now maybe being too aggressive. This season has turned into such a disaster, which isn't entirely the fault of anyone. The injuries were just bad luck, and something intangible was lost along the way. But there has been enough time now that we should have seen more of a recovery toward better play, and we haven't. But back to the point, this season has been so disastrous, and all of our problems reaching unprecedented levels (along with the scrutiny to match), that I'm growing increasingly concerned that Weltman may swing on a risky move in an attempt to secure his job. Maybe not something quite as bad as trading for Ibaka and signing Biyombo, but bad nonetheless.

[Kent]

i mean i'm pretty close to checking out of the season.....about 80 percent there.....it's kinda funny.....i'm actually looking forward to the offseason....because i know GUARANTEED there will be movement, it has to happen weltman did this to himself.....kicked the can down the road every season well now you can't anymore you hit a wall....i expect massive changes or i really believe this time it Will cost weltman his job

This gives even more reason to fire Weltman immediately right? He has backed himself into a corner and teams know this. If he thinks he was squeezed at the deadline then wait until the offseason. He is more than likely going to make a desperation trade now as he prob knows he loses his job if he doesn't. So best to remove him before he does this? Add to the fact that he has shown has absolutely no idea how to draft mid to late first round picks?

I would let him go and get someone new in here if it was me.

We all remember what Hennigan did when his seat got hot.

I thank Weltman for everything he did but let someone else build on what we have.

[Bergmaniac]

Really frustrating loss, for a change we were shooting really well for big portions of it, the first quarter was downright bizarre with the way every shot was going in for us, the Dubs might have given up right there if not for the idiotic string of turnovers we had midway through it. And even with the turnovers we had a good lead at the half. Then the expected reverse to the mean happened, Paolo and Franz forced some shots, we got a few bad calls against us, Curry went into a flurry and that was the game. Annoying because we played pretty well for big portions of it and kept Butler and pretty much anyone not named Curry from the Warriors in check, Paolo and Franz scored very efficiently, etc. But the turnovers, lack of scoring from players outside of our two stars and of course the inability to stop Curry were our undoing.

KCP's decline has been brutal lately, early on he struggled with his shot but was playing great D, now he can't make shoot and his defence has fallen off the cliff, I suspect there is an injury factor, players don't just forget how to defend midway through a season.

[drsd]

When do we play the Wiz again ?!?!?!?

......

Anyhow, box-score thoughts - and it's an interesting one, statistically:
Orlando won the FG% battle but lost the game. How?
It wasn't the three-ball - no matter the media vibe. And it wasn't FGAs. Orlando was fine for both.

Indeed the Magic DOMINATED FGA differential in also winning the FG% battle, which meant the Magic made 9 more FGs.
But, the Magic got SMOKED in made FT-differential. Led by Curry's 12 made FTs, the Warriors starters' made 27 FTs to the Magic starters making only 13.

Free-throw differential was the sole reason the Magic lost this game. Not Curry's threes and failed defense on the Warriors three-ball.
The media is so wrong about the narrative.
The correct narrative is that the Magic fouled too much and was not fouled enough. That's the game.


Quick question: who here has ever heard of Quinten Post????
Well he went +18 in plus/minus and dominated for 18/1/5 as a super-sub. What a baller.

[eyriq]

The thing now is, the concern might shift from Weltman being too passive to now maybe being too aggressive. This season has turned into such a disaster, which isn't entirely the fault of anyone. The injuries were just bad luck, and something intangible was lost along the way. But there has been enough time now that we should have seen more of a recovery toward better play, and we haven't. But back to the point, this season has been so disastrous, and all of our problems reaching unprecedented levels (along with the scrutiny to match), that I'm growing increasingly concerned that Weltman may swing on a risky move in an attempt to secure his job. Maybe not something quite as bad as trading for Ibaka and signing Biyombo, but bad nonetheless.

I get your point. Hennigan panicked and traded away pieces of the young core, ultimately sabotaging the entire project.

I don't think Weltman is weak like Hennigan.

The options for change are pretty straightforward and won't have massive impacts one way or another. Moving Cole and rethinking the fit of WCJ, KCP, and JI is probably the extent of it.

I don't see them trading Suggs or AB.

[drsd]

Who let Cedric escape from 1953? Just hold opponents under 80 points and 6 points, 1 rebound and 1 assist in 20 min is great basketball.

Watch on YouTube

[pepe1991]

Who let Cedric escape from 1953? Just hold opponents under 80 points and 6 points, 1 rebound and 1 assist in 20 min is great basketball.

Watch on YouTube

True story. When i was 10 i had to handwrite stat for one basketball tournament. Midway through i figured i forgot to write rebounds.
Instead, just gave tallest person 12 and shortest 2. Nobody noticed .
it was 2001.

now imagine how people counted stats in 1950s

"bro i scored 45 i swear"

[Optimus_Steel]

When do we play the Wiz again ?!?!?!?

......

Anyhow, box-score thoughts - and it's an interesting one, statistically:
Orlando won the FG% battle but lost the game. How?
It wasn't the three-ball - no matter the media vibe. And it wasn't FGAs. Orlando was fine for both.

Indeed the Magic DOMINATED FGA differential in also winning the FG% battle, which meant the Magic made 9 more FGs.
But, the Magic got SMOKED in made FT-differential. Led by Curry's 12 made FTs, the Warriors starters' made 27 FTs to the Magic starters making only 13.

Free-throw differential was the sole reason the Magic lost this game. Not Curry's threes and failed defense on the Warriors three-ball.
The media is so wrong about the narrative.
The correct narrative is that the Magic fouled too much and was not fouled enough. That's the game.


Quick question: who here has ever heard of Quinten Post????
Well he went +18 in plus/minus and dominated for 18/1/5 as a super-sub. What a baller.

The Magic have too many deficiencies to play only half a game and expect to win. The first half turnovers were insane and kept the gap close enough for Curry. The Magic should have been up 25 at the half with the offensive performance. The Magic got frustrated by Curry’s flurry and started pressing, taking bad contested shots, and growing thru the motions. This lead to slippage and easy buckets for GS role players. The Magic got in the penalty 1 min and half into the 4th, thats just pure frustration, and a parade to line for GS’s role players while Curry rested. The only reason it was close late was because GS got a little lazy and complacent.

[Bergmaniac]

When do we play the Wiz again ?!?!?!?

......

Anyhow, box-score thoughts - and it's an interesting one, statistically:
Orlando won the FG% battle but lost the game. How?
It wasn't the three-ball - no matter the media vibe. And it wasn't FGAs. Orlando was fine for both.

Indeed the Magic DOMINATED FGA differential in also winning the FG% battle, which meant the Magic made 9 more FGs.
But, the Magic got SMOKED in made FT-differential. Led by Curry's 12 made FTs, the Warriors starters' made 27 FTs to the Magic starters making only 13.

Free-throw differential was the sole reason the Magic lost this game. Not Curry's threes and failed defense on the Warriors three-ball.
The media is so wrong about the narrative.
The correct narrative is that the Magic fouled too much and was not fouled enough. That's the game.


Quick question: who here has ever heard of Quinten Post????
Well he went +18 in plus/minus and dominated for 18/1/5 as a super-sub. What a baller.

5 of the FTs the Warriors made were from intentional fouls down the stretch when the game was practically over. I'd say the turnover differential was just as big of a factor if not more. We had 6 more turnovers and what really hurt us was that so many came when we were making almost every shot in the first half, we could have had 25 point lead at the break and the Warriors may well have decided to pack it up for the night.

[JoshuaPotter]

Tough loss. We have a pathway to win the next 3 but my goodness.

Similar note, has there been a Suggs injury update?

[OrlandoDream]

For the first time Gary finally doesnt get minutes and we have Gary 2.0 stinking it up. I don't thin people realize how bad KCP is. We brought him here for defense and 3pt shooting and he's doing NONE of that. Cant hit open 3s and defense has fallen off the cliff. Getting beat off screens, taking gamble steals, etc. Its not KCP guarding best player its Franz. WEre lit making Franz do twice as much out there just by having KCP on this team. Asking Franz to guard best player while also dropping 25 ppg. Cannot wait for suggs to come back and move on from KCPs fraudulent azz.

[bigdogdylan5]

The thing now is, the concern might shift from Weltman being too passive to now maybe being too aggressive. This season has turned into such a disaster, which isn't entirely the fault of anyone. The injuries were just bad luck, and something intangible was lost along the way. But there has been enough time now that we should have seen more of a recovery toward better play, and we haven't. But back to the point, this season has been so disastrous, and all of our problems reaching unprecedented levels (along with the scrutiny to match), that I'm growing increasingly concerned that Weltman may swing on a risky move in an attempt to secure his job. Maybe not something quite as bad as trading for Ibaka and signing Biyombo, but bad nonetheless.

I get your point. Hennigan panicked and traded away pieces of the young core, ultimately sabotaging the entire project.

I don't think Weltman is weak like Hennigan.

The options for change are pretty straightforward and won't have massive impacts one way or another. Moving Cole and rethinking the fit of WCJ, KCP, and JI is probably the extent of it.

I don't see them trading Suggs or AB.

If we want to make a trade of any actual substance AB will have to be in it. Frankly he doesn’t fit with Paolo and Franz and maybe the only piece of value minus our future picks.

Ok so what if we rethink the fit of those three? Are they even movable? WCJ and KCP contracts I think we’re stuck with both and hoping they build some of their value back up. I am not sure JI has much value but someone will probably want him but wont give up much I hope the protections on that contract are solid. Weltman is painted into a corner this summer. The WCJ extension might be the nail in any flexibility to keep our main three while trying to improve.

[three3d]

So much crying, this is unbelievable.

Biggest Weltman/DeVos shield I’ve ever seen

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So much crying, this is unbelievable.

i too enjoy getting punked by 40 at home and then turning right around losing a 17-point lead in the 3rd quarter while watching our 22M dollar player run cardio!