Magic @ Nuggets

taruky1 · Post #481 » by **taruky1** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:24 am

TooNice00 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

i do hate on turk. i see no reason someone like hedo turkoglu should be taking the most shots on this team when he shoots nearly 20 percent lower than howard. howard is probably the most under utilized elite big man in the nba. he should be taking around 14 to 15 shots consistently.

Man, you really know little about basketball. You can't look at statistics without understanding what is behind them. Dwight, I assure you, is not underutilized, at least not nearly to the extent you think he is. Between shooting fouls and personal fouls he draws in the post, he's getting lots of offensive opportunities. And part of his game is cleaning up teammates' messes.

TooNice00 · Post #482 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:25 am

you don't have to run the offense through howard every play. but he hardly gets any opportunities right now. evey game its like why isn't howard getting more touches? even SVG complains about it and even complained about it in this game.

magicman123 · Post #483 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:27 am

thEthIEf wrote:opinions are opinions...

from my view of the game, and my understanding, that works for stretches at a time, until the other team gets wise...and most teams since the amazing start are doing it...they know to play him close and they know they need to frustrate him, you have to know that it is a strategy of every team, its in the scouting report, its not a coincidence...

teams have 3 ways to take him out of the game

1) draw fouls
2) close him off
3) take his mind off the ball

i agree inside outside, one of the oldest sets in the game...but it's only effective when the big man can pass it out more than turn it over, and it only pays off when we are hot...

this team is not finding alternative ways to score, and they are making stupid off the ball moves and this team has to be the 49th worst team in the league in terms of defense...

if we would just improve our defense by a nose hair, we'd be dangerous...

i agree..we need to do that...we got 1 starter that is considered very good at defense

theTHIEF · Post #484 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:27 am

there are nights where the guys dont look for him enough, i totally agree...but there are other nights, like tonight where the defense takes the high pass and the low pass to close him off and all they have to do is jump either way and pick the pass off...its not rocket science...they were able to do that about 10-12 times in the 2nd half, and it resulted in a Dwight turnover, several missed boards, and 3 steals...

magicman123 · Post #485 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:29 am

TooNice00 wrote:you don't have to run the offense through howard every play. but he hardly gets any opportunities right now. evey game its like why isn't howard getting more touches? even SVG complains about it and even complained about it in this game.

that starts with the pg..especially in the 4th they go away from dwight..its like they feed the ball to dwight all day when the game starts..but go away from him as the game goes on. some of it can be credited to opposing teams adjustments

TooNice00 · Post #486 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:30 am

taruky1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Man, you really know little about basketball. You can't look at statistics without understanding what is behind them. Dwight, I assure you, is not underutilized, at least not nearly to the extent you think he is. Between shooting fouls and personal fouls he draws in the post, he's getting lots of offensive opportunities. And part of his game is cleaning up teammates' messes.

lol. howard is underutilized. let me point this out. shaq's , who howard is mostly compared to, lowest fga in his first 11 seasons was 16. howard is def not as good as shaq offensviely but still 13 shots a game is ridiculous for someone who is often claimed to be the best center in the nba.

Hairy Midget · Post #487 » by **Hairy Midget** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:31 am

The problem is that our perimeter players are pretty much dumbasses. They don't know when to pass, where to pass, how to pass, and never recognize mismatches or capitalize on them repeatedly.

JigenDaisuke · Post #488 » by **JigenDaisuke** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:37 am

There going to have to make a change. Rashard should be at SF and we should have an actual power forward. And we need a better point guard. I just think in order to get something done they will have to give up Hedo to get something back. We should have just held onto Ariza for awhile longer and then maybe used him in a package.

magicman123 · Post #489 » by **magicman123** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:39 am

JigenDaisuke wrote:There going to have to make a change. Rashard should be at SF and we should have an actual power forward. And we need a better point guard. I just think in order to get something done they will have to give up Hedo to get something back. We should have just held onto Ariza for awhile longer and then maybe used him in a package.

i dont think otis will do that..he has a man crush on hedo :lol:

theTHIEF · Post #490 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:41 am

there is no way we land a STARTING PG or PF this season...we dont have what it takes...we need to add a solid bench guy or 2...guys with contracts...a defense 2 and a PF that can board wont come wicked cheap, but its not impossible...

and I cant believe im saying this, but the way things are looking up in NY, i'd see an Eddy Curry deal on the CHEAP being a very good idea...say what you will, but to me, it looks like he just gave up on Zeke...with his size, youth and propensity for clogging up the lane, he would be an ideal backup to Dwight off the bench...

please dont shoot me...

TooNice00 · Post #491 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:42 am

hedo is the odd man out. we already have rashard who should be a sf. and hedo being a 6th man still conflicts with rashard.

theTHIEF · Post #492 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:44 am

man, haha...2 days ago you love him, now you hate him...sometimes we're just as much of a joke as our team...

TooNice00 · Post #493 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:46 am

thEthIEf wrote:man, haha...2 days ago you love him, now you hate him...sometimes we're just as much of a joke as our team...

i actually complained about him 2 days ago, too. i just don't see hedo good for us longterm. i dunno maybe i am crazy but i'd rather part with him sooner than later.

yunggunz · Post #494 » by **yunggunz** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:47 am

Nuggs fan here.

Dont take AC's performance tonight too hard. Every team has dared him to beat them......and its probably the right move. But his shot has been out of this world (compared to his career) this season, and he has shocked everyone by playing starter-quality bball for the last 10 games or so.

theTHIEF · Post #495 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:47 am

not you...just about every other Hedo commenter thus far however, straight jokes...

TooNice00 · Post #496 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:02 am

whatever. on to the next game maybe things will change.

theTHIEF · Post #497 » by **theTHIEF** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:10 am

Hedo poses problems for many teams...havent you seen that? every dog has their day, and other times you cant put it together...it happens to the best of them...our individual player problems are just magnified by th rest of the teams faults...it makes it harder and harder to progress when you constantly make 2 mistakes for every 1 the other team makes...

Hedo is cheap, and will be cheap in 2 years when his contract is up...more than now, but still affordable...he has great tools...and with proper minutes, he gets his...

there are other ways around the problem IMO...trading Hedo would generate negativity...and we would end up at his mercy for the rest of his career...

TooNice00 · Post #498 » by **TooNice00** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:26 am

thEthIEf wrote:Hedo poses problems for many teams...havent you seen that? every dog has their day, and other times you cant put it together...it happens to the best of them...our individual player problems are just magnified by th rest of the teams faults...it makes it harder and harder to progress when you constantly make 2 mistakes for every 1 the other team makes...

Hedo is cheap, and will be cheap in 2 years when his contract is up...more than now, but still affordable...he has great tools...and with proper minutes, he gets his...

there are other ways around the problem IMO...trading Hedo would generate negativity...and we would end up at his mercy for the rest of his career...

i really don't know what our teams problem is. obviously we don't have the talent level but at the same time we play like we do. we don't go out there and try hard every game. we have this idea that we can just turn it on whenever. we coast through games but we are not a team that can do that. we do not have the personnel to allow us to play like that. i think even hedo plays like this he often coast through games expecting just to turn it on in the 4th quarter. i want our entire team to play hard from the get go. don't wait till the 4th quarter to start playing defense or run the offense more efficiently.

lovehoops01 · Post #499 » by **lovehoops01** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:34 am

I really didn't think the outcome of this game had to do with effort. I thought the other team had more talent tonight. They have an $80 million payroll with four guys who have been on an all-star team -- including one guy who I don't ever think has missed an all-star game and is considered one of the toughest players in the league whether you like him or not.

The officials (two of whom were part of the crew that deprived the Magic of the chance to go to overtime against Houston) sent Iverson to the free-throw line to take 13 free throws, sixth in the fourth quarter alone.

They had a bench player who scored 18 points. That -- the fact that they took 10 more free throws and that they outrebounded the Magic -- was the difference in the game.

Post #500 » by **Bensational** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:39 am

thEthIEf wrote:Hedo poses problems for many teams...havent you seen that? every dog has their day, and other times you cant put it together...it happens to the best of them...our individual player problems are just magnified by th rest of the teams faults...it makes it harder and harder to progress when you constantly make 2 mistakes for every 1 the other team makes...

Hedo is cheap, and will be cheap in 2 years when his contract is up...more than now, but still affordable...he has great tools...and with proper minutes, he gets his...

there are other ways around the problem IMO...trading Hedo would generate negativity...and we would end up at his mercy for the rest of his career...

i didn't read the rest of this thread, but i'm assumin people are hatin on Hedo?

meh. one bad game is nothing. i personally love the guy and everything he brings our team. i've noticed how much of an impact his performances make on us winning even since last year. i wouldn't want to trade him at all. unless.... you know.... we're getting back someone spectacular that fills one of our holes.