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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued 

Post#4861 » by Skybox » Wed May 14, 2025 1:51 pm

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89Magicfan wrote:Just go get an elite PG. Wr haven’t had one in forever and it seems like every player we talk about their defense is suspect. Find the best offensive PG powerhouse we can and call it a day.


Easier said than done.

Elite means likely being paid a max contract which does not work with our future finances.

Elite means high valued which then would require us to trade one of our core players or overpay using draft equity.

There’s also not many “elite” point guards available on the open market which is why the board is obsessing over players like Simons/Sexton.

Our best option is to find a player that has yet to break out or has shown glimpses of breaking out. Players like Coby White, Austin Reaves or Jaden Ivey.

The likely option is Orlando trading for a veteran that is overpaid, but can help in the right capacity. This player isn’t making a max, knows his role and can provide proven offensive help. Players like McCollum, Poole or Herro.

I have a weird feeling we end up with McCollum because he should in theory be cheap to acquire and our front office is boring and doesn’t possess much creativity. He’s a veteran, can score and is an expiring (which Weltman said they were looking for this past deadline).


Good ones...here's how I'd classify them (each with some story, real or imagined, why they might be available):

Home runs: Derrick White, Tyler Herro, Austin Reaves

Solid, but limited shots: Simons, Sexton, Coby

Huge upside (bigger than Solid, but limited guys) but much bigger risk of costly fail: McCollum, Poole, Jrue

Easy to get psyched about and then reality hits and it's probably mediocre: Ty Jerome, Tyus, Huerter/Kennard/Trent, etc


Another category...early investments in Apple stock (or is it Betamax?): Ivey, AJ Johnson, trade every pick to get Dylan Harper, etc
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Post#4862 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 1:54 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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I don't think that's accurate...I'd like to be wrong. Aren't trades based on next year's salary?
(not asking you Rob - I see your position)
No, they aren't. The Locked-on Magic guy reiterated that today on his podcast.

We could be looking at it wrong, and the Magic could go over the first apron for 1 year.

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Post#4863 » by 89Magicfan » Wed May 14, 2025 1:54 pm

basketballRob wrote:We could trade Isaac straight up for CJ Mccollum on draft night. We just need to get within 125%. We might need to add Corey.

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He’s 33 years old.
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Post#4864 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:56 pm

basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.
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Post#4865 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 1:57 pm

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basketballRob wrote:We could trade Isaac straight up for CJ Mccollum on draft night. We just need to get within 125%. We might need to add Corey.

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He’s 33 years old.
He scored 20 ppg on descent efficiency last season. He's probably got 3 more years in him. It depends on what extension he agrees to.

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Post#4866 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 1:58 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.
Phillip has confirmed it a couple of times, including today.

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Post#4867 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed May 14, 2025 1:58 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:If Giannis is looking at his future, I bet it has nothing to do with playing center for the Magic.


Looking at the current landscape, if I were Giannis Miami makes a lot of sense to me. He stays in a weak East, no state tax and an owner/upper management willing to do what it takes to compete.

Giannis has a family and kids, his next destination is going to be about more than just basketball. Dude is coming from Milwaukee and spent his entire career in the cold.

The issue is Miami doesn’t have the assets to acquire Giannis so it will take a lot of maneuvering.

My other options would be HOU/SAS. Goes out to a lot more competitive West, but goes to one of the two best up and coming teams. Good management, no state tax and good weather.

I would out my money on those three teams if I were a betting man.


Miami seems to be the consensus with alot of players but that team has the same salary constraints other teams have so not sure how they could swing it outside of shipping Herro and their future. Would probably be worth it if they kept Mitchell. Doubt the Bucks accept Wiggins plus other contracts.
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Post#4868 » by jonbob17 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:58 pm

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I just completely disagree. White was taking and making tough 3's all year...I just think he's offensively way ahead of Suggs.

I also don't really care about how people on here just want to "project" amazing outcomes from players that might or might not follow that trajectory of imagined development. Whether it's Suggs' 40% shooting, AB's amazing PG skills, or Isaac's availability...at this point in ORL's ascendance, I'm looking for what IS, not what MIGHT BE SOMEDAY. There's a very fair chance that (still a maybe at best) Suggs surpasses White's 3pt shooting, but IMO, there's very little chance that Suggs is ever the superior all around offensive player that White is.


You realize how Boston got White. They traded for a good defensive guard, below average 3 point shooter who had dealt with some injuries. Derrick White for Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, and the 25th pick. Guess what. The Celtics projected his growth, and he was way older than Suggs

You pay for similar guys that have already reached their potential and they are called Fred Van Vleet. $43M


Why do I care about his origin story.?..he's better than Suggs today and possibly tomorrow.

He'd be a dream acquisition, especially if we kept Suggs...which, btw, would be most likely because the ONLY reason White might be on the table is because BOS neeeds to cut $$$...Suggs makes significantly more than White next year...so, it's far from an obvious flip.


I guess you should care about origin stories, because career trajectories are not horizontal lines, and they don't generally peak at 22, without horrible injuries.

If you are going to suggest trading Suggs and two firsts, aim higher...WAY higher. And I really like Derrick White. I'd love to have him in Orlando.
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Post#4869 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed May 14, 2025 1:59 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.
Phillip has confirmed it a couple of times, including today.

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Link or tweet?
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Post#4870 » by p0peye » Wed May 14, 2025 2:02 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.


We perhaps could get MPJ for Isaac and Goga, but it solves only half the problem (shooting) and would be too expensive to bring off the bench. Could we play Franz at SG? (probably not for extended minutes).
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Post#4871 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 2:03 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.
Phillip has confirmed it a couple of times, including today.

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Link or tweet?
On his podcast.

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Post#4872 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:05 pm

89Magicfan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:We could trade Isaac straight up for CJ Mccollum on draft night. We just need to get within 125%. We might need to add Corey.

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He’s 33 years old.


KCP is 32 and most of the board was foaming from the mouth when we signed him.

McCollum would look like the next MJ in comparison.
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Post#4873 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed May 14, 2025 2:07 pm

p0peye wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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This is very interesting, but I need to see more data to support this claim.

Orlando is allowed to start making trades as their season is over, however they’re technically already in the 2025-2026 season so in theory any trades made from here on out would reflect the new season numbers not the old unless I’m mistaken or there’s a loophole in the system that allows teams a small window to trade reflecting last seasons contract numbers.

Has anyone prominent in media or reliable fact checked this?

I hope you’re right, but this doesn’t seem correct on the surface.


We perhaps could get MPJ for Isaac and Goga, but it solves only half the problem (shooting) and would be too expensive to bring off the bench. Could we play Franz at SG? (probably not for extended minutes).


MPJ is on a max and isn’t a guard.

Hauser or Cameron Johnson would make more sense (not saying they’re better than Porter, but just financially and the role will be asking them to play).
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Post#4874 » by 89Magicfan » Wed May 14, 2025 2:07 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:
basketballRob wrote:We could trade Isaac straight up for CJ Mccollum on draft night. We just need to get within 125%. We might need to add Corey.

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He’s 33 years old.


KCP is 32 and most of the board was foaming from the mouth when we signed him.

McCollum would look like the next MJ in comparison.



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Post#4875 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed May 14, 2025 2:22 pm

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Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Phillip has confirmed it a couple of times, including today.

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Link or tweet?
On his podcast.

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Keith Smith also mentioned there's tons of smoke about teams being very interested in Black and that could be a cheaper path to getting upgraded talent without giving up much. They're sweeteners without having to give up another draft pick. Isaac + Cole + Black or pick could very well be the deal that gets the magic the new shiny player.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#4876 » by eyriq » Wed May 14, 2025 2:41 pm

Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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I don't think that's accurate...I'd like to be wrong. Aren't trades based on next year's salary?
(not asking you Rob - I see your position)
My understanding is that you take the minimum of this year's salary and next year's salary for any trades made before the moratorium period starts
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Post#4877 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 3:59 pm

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Our big trade chips on draft night are Isaac and Goga. Isaac's contract is around $25m on draft night and descends to $15m next season. Goga's goes from $9m to $8m.

They also have no apron restrictions on draft night. It all changes on July 1st.

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I don't think that's accurate...I'd like to be wrong. Aren't trades based on next year's salary?
(not asking you Rob - I see your position)
My understanding is that you take the minimum of this year's salary and next year's salary for any trades made before the moratorium period starts
Around 30:30, Phillip starts to talk about it. He talks about it some before then and on other broadcasts about Isaac's $25m contract is a trade chip.

https://youtu.be/7mrGC8E7k1U?si=Ed3pWyf3Svm6L0yg

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Post#4878 » by basketballRob » Wed May 14, 2025 4:29 pm

We could save a tax team around $50m by trading Isaac to them. Isaac for Derrick White?

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Post#4879 » by Skybox » Wed May 14, 2025 4:36 pm

basketballRob wrote:We could save a tax team around $50m by trading Isaac to them. Isaac for Derrick White?

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Wow...I'm NOT saying Isaac fills in for White in BOS, but that's exactly the kind of thinking that could save BOS a lot of dough (sending out more for less).

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Post#4880 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed May 14, 2025 4:40 pm

basketballRob wrote:We could save a tax team around $50m by trading Isaac to them. Isaac for Derrick White?

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I really really want to believe this, but Phillip isn’t the best source for this kind of stuff. He’s literally just like me and you but with a podcast lol. He often just regurgitates what he reads on X. I just never heard of this no where, no one of actual credibility has mentioned this and seems illegal but I don’t want to pretend like I know everything so hope you’re right because if true I agree is a huge trade piece especially for a team like Boston looking to shed salary immediately.

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