The Official Franz Wagner Thread

[Magic_Kingdom]

I'm still not very high on Bouknight. Think he would be redundant with all the guards we have. If he becomes some uber Donovan Mitchell style scorer then yeah, obviously we should've picked him.. but if he's an inefficient scorer then I'm good.

who is he redundant than? looks better than RJ, Cole definitely. Harris is better defender and still cant shoot well.

Smallish guard whose main skill is scorer/shooter. Looks solid in preseason, but so did Cole and Cole had some big games last year. If Bouknight posts similar shooting numbers he will just be called a chucker (or better yet only a chucker if he played for us lol)

Franz is averaging a very efficient 1.5 ppg and 1.0 rpg in about 21 mpg through 2 games. I'll take Bouknight's inefficient production over Franz's complete lack of production. Just wait until we watch this roster try to score this season. It will be brutal.

If they had drafted Bouknight I assume there would have been some trades. Any combination of Cole, R.J. or Harris.

[basketballRob]

who is he redundant than? looks better than RJ, Cole definitely. Harris is better defender and still cant shoot well.

Smallish guard whose main skill is scorer/shooter. Looks solid in preseason, but so did Cole and Cole had some big games last year. If Bouknight posts similar shooting numbers he will just be called a chucker (or better yet only a chucker if he played for us lol)

Franz is averaging a very efficient 1.5 ppg and 1.0 rpg in about 21 mpg through 2 games. I'll take Bouknight's inefficient production over Franz's complete lack of production. Just wait until we watch this roster try to score this season. It will be brutal.

If they had drafted Bouknight I assume there would have been some trades. Any combination of Cole, R.J. or Harris.

Bouknight is a year older.

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[tiderulz]

Smallish guard whose main skill is scorer/shooter. Looks solid in preseason, but so did Cole and Cole had some big games last year. If Bouknight posts similar shooting numbers he will just be called a chucker (or better yet only a chucker if he played for us lol)

Franz is averaging a very efficient 1.5 ppg and 1.0 rpg in about 21 mpg through 2 games. I'll take Bouknight's inefficient production over Franz's complete lack of production. Just wait until we watch this roster try to score this season. It will be brutal.

If they had drafted Bouknight I assume there would have been some trades. Any combination of Cole, R.J. or Harris.

Bouknight is a year older.

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so? this whole thing of picking at players because they might be a year or 2 older than some other player amuses me

[basketballRob]

Franz is averaging a very efficient 1.5 ppg and 1.0 rpg in about 21 mpg through 2 games. I'll take Bouknight's inefficient production over Franz's complete lack of production. Just wait until we watch this roster try to score this season. It will be brutal.

If they had drafted Bouknight I assume there would have been some trades. Any combination of Cole, R.J. or Harris.

Bouknight is a year older.

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so? this whole thing of picking at players because they might be a year or 2 older than some other player amuses me

You have to weigh what a player may become. I think Franz will end up being a much more complete player than Bouknight. Look Sabonis average 6 pts and 4 rebs when he was 20, on 399 shooting, and 64% from the line.

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[thelead]

Sengun and Moody are who I was wanting with the 8th pick. I’ll be watching them closely.

[pepe1991]

Sengun and Moody are who I was wanting with the 8th pick. I’ll be watching them closely.

Moody, imo, made lot of sense. Guy who can play SG and SF and can shoot , should be good defender and fitted WeHam "Wingspan team" idea.

He and Kuminga will probably end up being traded (with Wiggins) for some megastar down the line, but imo he will end up being very, very good player. Worst case for him is what? Jeremy Lamb? I'll take that.

[tiderulz]

Bouknight is a year older.

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so? this whole thing of picking at players because they might be a year or 2 older than some other player amuses me

You have to weigh what a player may become. I think Franz will end up being a much more complete player than Bouknight. Look Sabonis average 6 pts and 4 rebs when he was 20, on 399 shooting, and 64% from the line.

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Sabonis was 18/12 his last year in college. Sabonis was an after thought and was 8th in attempts per game. trying to extrapolate anything with those conditions is crazy.

[pepe1991]

so? this whole thing of picking at players because they might be a year or 2 older than some other player amuses me

You have to weigh what a player may become. I think Franz will end up being a much more complete player than Bouknight. Look Sabonis average 6 pts and 4 rebs when he was 20, on 399 shooting, and 64% from the line.

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Sabonis was 18/12 his last year in college. Sabonis was an after thought and was 8th in attempts per game. trying to extrapolate anything with those conditions is crazy.

in second year at college, Sabonis had games where he looked like man among boys.

But he was drafted to Okc who were desperate for 3 point shooting and tried to force fed him into PF -streach 4 role to fill in for Ibaka, and he failed spectacularly. Pretty much Billy Donovan at his worst ...

[basketballRob]

so? this whole thing of picking at players because they might be a year or 2 older than some other player amuses me

You have to weigh what a player may become. I think Franz will end up being a much more complete player than Bouknight. Look Sabonis average 6 pts and 4 rebs when he was 20, on 399 shooting, and 64% from the line.

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Sabonis was 18/12 his last year in college. Sabonis was an after thought and was 8th in attempts per game. trying to extrapolate anything with those conditions is crazy.

My point is that players can improve their stats. Franz didn't put up great stats in two preseason games, but he has many years to improve.

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[Def Swami]

Okeke looked equally lost in his first few games prior to his injury last year. You have to give it time. You could be just as critical of Suggs. Guys who come in and instantly dominate are rare. My main concern is I don't think we're going to do them any favors with the kind of environment we're going to breed these guys in. It kind of feels like the blind leading the blind at the moment. Suggs was the third option on a really good, veteran Gonzaga team. He didn't have to be the focal point of an offense. Similar to Wagner. Asking these guys to do it all of a sudden without anyone else on the team who is nearly as talented as them feels like a set up for failure on all fronts. Which, I guess is the goal?

[tiderulz]

You have to weigh what a player may become. I think Franz will end up being a much more complete player than Bouknight. Look Sabonis average 6 pts and 4 rebs when he was 20, on 399 shooting, and 64% from the line.

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Sabonis was 18/12 his last year in college. Sabonis was an after thought and was 8th in attempts per game. trying to extrapolate anything with those conditions is crazy.

My point is that players can improve their stats. Franz didn't put up great stats in two preseason games, but he has many years to improve.

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and Bouknight can improve also.

[basketballRob]

Sabonis was 18/12 his last year in college. Sabonis was an after thought and was 8th in attempts per game. trying to extrapolate anything with those conditions is crazy.

My point is that players can improve their stats. Franz didn't put up great stats in two preseason games, but he has many years to improve.

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and Bouknight can improve also.

Maybe

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[tiderulz]

My point is that players can improve their stats. Franz didn't put up great stats in two preseason games, but he has many years to improve.

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and Bouknight can improve also.

Maybe

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lol, no agenda with you, is there

[basketballRob]

and Bouknight can improve also.

Maybe

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lol, no agenda with you, is there

It's still too early to evaluate these guys. Who knows what they'll look like in two years.

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[Mauro Pedrosa]

Sengun and Moody are who I was wanting with the 8th pick. I’ll be watching them closely.

I think Sengun will be a legit name in this league. At least Domantas Sabonis, Vucevic level

[Horcy]

To be honest, Franz had a pretty decent game against the Spurs. These are the kind of numbers he could put regularly.
Considering the guys we let go for him like Moody,Sengun or Bouknight, it's someway disappointing...

[Furinkazan]

So is it too early for my annual I told you so I was right yet again ?:D

[Optimus_Steel]

Franz is gonna prove y'all wrong!!!

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[pepe1991]

In summerleague he averaged 8 ppg on 44,8% FG and 15% for 3

In 4 preseason games he averages 4,5 ppg on 26% FG & 28% for 3.

Very small sample size, nor worthy drawing any conclusions from, but on 27 shots sample size, knowing he had issues with it in college, it's clear that he does not shooting range (yet).
Over 4 games he only went to FT line once in preseason. Witch is in line with 6 FTA in preseason and college issues with drawing fouls.

He plays solid defense and knows how to position himself, but offense will be uphill battle. I'm not sure what his nba position should be, he has size for PF but lacks skills, strenght to play as PF, his rebounding is very poor and he is not used to boxing out.
At SF, in nba, he simply won't offer much to be worthy playing there, without massive improvments.

During draft night i was happy to see we drafted Suggs, fanbase was very exited about him ,so Franz pick went under a radar, without any objective ( or subjective ) opinions about him.

In general he is young player and it's pointless to judge him so early, but in same time, he was drafted 8th and there is set of expetations with it.

Orlando should probably just use Pokusevski tactic on him, regardless how much he sucks, keep playing him 20-25 mpg and hope for best. There isn't much going on right now with team anyway and they won't win many games regardless.

[Creativetran]

Orlando should probably just use Pokusevski tactic on him, regardless how much he sucks, keep playing him 20-25 mpg and hope for best. There isn't much going on right now with team anyway and they won't win many games regardless.

This exactly but with Harris and Ross getting a bunch of minutes this year I don't see it happening. I hope they BOTH get shipped out ASAP