Who do you want us to take at #1?

[zaymon]

Thats why i am on crusade right now, its unbelieveble !!! I love Holmgren but come on, Banchero is obvious number one pick for us. Everybody is crying for 10 years that only thing we need is to hit on oversized playmaker. When the luck is on our side and we have opportunity to draft a prospect whose stats are comparable or better than last years "phenom" or "young wonder" Tatum we just overhype 6'10 shooter who cant dribble, pass or finish at the rim. I dont understand it.

When I watch Banchero all I see is a poor man's Carmelo. He is not going be some remarkable player maker in the pros. His size won't mean as much in the NBA as it did at Duke imo. Plus I don't want him to be a play maker for our team that's for Fultz and Franz. I just don't see him aging well either. He lumbers at times to me like he is too heavy now. I can talk myself into him but i'd be the least excited for him. I think he is clearly 3 behind Jabari and Chet. Jabari just feels like the most appropriate fit for this team. He doesn't need to be this all world ball handler with Fultz and Franz he just needs to score. Then Chet to me is just hoping he becomes all world and top 5 player in the NBA once he gets weight on him, big if right now.

I'd expect to be good quicker with Jabari. I'd have more patience and higher hopes with Chet. I'd just expect Paulo to maybe make an all-star game or two and not really effect much winning like Melo expect less so.

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

[cedric76]

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I am sold on Jabari Smith.

Same here

His D, his shot, his motor, his body, his youth have gave him the edge over chet and Paolo

[pepe1991]

How much you wanna bet,once we see a "leaked" video of Jabari athletically dunking from the FT line, or Paolo firing up 15 straight 3s in an open gym or Chet eating a 5lb hamburger our opinion and crazy hot takes will immediately shift.

It's inevitable.

Everyone has their favorite. The FO probably already know who they are taking. Half of fans will be pissed with whoever they take.

Extremely inevitable. 90% of fans were rioting at the Franz pick while Suggs pick had everyone was happy. Maybe they might know what they are doing? Over someone who watched a ten minute YouTube video?

Nobody on a board was "rioting " about Wagner, it was a pick, people had moderate expetations. Portion of fans wanted Kuminga but he was already gone so maybe some portion of fans wanted Moody but didn't really "rioting" or anything.

People were in general thrilled when Magic drafted Suggs because he was sold as future Magic point guard.
That's not what we got tho.

Same happend with Bamba and lesser degree Okeke. Fans expected one type of player and reality was harsh & ugly.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

The more and more I think about it, the more and more I am sold on Jabari Smith.

Yeah, I also seem to lean towards taking the 3pt shooting/perimeter defense and just running with it. Jabari fits.

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[Skin]

Thats why i am on crusade right now, its unbelieveble !!! I love Holmgren but come on, Banchero is obvious number one pick for us. Everybody is crying for 10 years that only thing we need is to hit on oversized playmaker. When the luck is on our side and we have opportunity to draft a prospect whose stats are comparable or better than last years "phenom" or "young wonder" Tatum we just overhype 6'10 shooter who cant dribble, pass or finish at the rim. I dont understand it.

When I watch Banchero all I see is a poor man's Carmelo. He is not going be some remarkable player maker in the pros. His size won't mean as much in the NBA as it did at Duke imo. Plus I don't want him to be a play maker for our team that's for Fultz and Franz. I just don't see him aging well either. He lumbers at times to me like he is too heavy now. I can talk myself into him but i'd be the least excited for him. I think he is clearly 3 behind Jabari and Chet. Jabari just feels like the most appropriate fit for this team. He doesn't need to be this all world ball handler with Fultz and Franz he just needs to score. Then Chet to me is just hoping he becomes all world and top 5 player in the NBA once he gets weight on him, big if right now.

I'd expect to be good quicker with Jabari. I'd have more patience and higher hopes with Chet. I'd just expect Paulo to maybe make an all-star game or two and not really effect much winning like Melo expect less so.

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

[zaymon]

When I watch Banchero all I see is a poor man's Carmelo. He is not going be some remarkable player maker in the pros. His size won't mean as much in the NBA as it did at Duke imo. Plus I don't want him to be a play maker for our team that's for Fultz and Franz. I just don't see him aging well either. He lumbers at times to me like he is too heavy now. I can talk myself into him but i'd be the least excited for him. I think he is clearly 3 behind Jabari and Chet. Jabari just feels like the most appropriate fit for this team. He doesn't need to be this all world ball handler with Fultz and Franz he just needs to score. Then Chet to me is just hoping he becomes all world and top 5 player in the NBA once he gets weight on him, big if right now.

I'd expect to be good quicker with Jabari. I'd have more patience and higher hopes with Chet. I'd just expect Paulo to maybe make an all-star game or two and not really effect much winning like Melo expect less so.

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

Jabari Smith usage 27,6%, 2,5 assist per 36 min.
Paolo Banchero usage 27,5%, 3,5 assist per 36 min.
So who is more of a ball stopper ?
They are both similar rebounders (Smith slightly better), they both dont protect the rim that much.
If Banchero doesnt score he is a great passer, he is better offensive rebounder.

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This is Smith which is great but lets remember Jabari player with Kessler Edwards and Banchero played with Timme

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Pure isolation Banchero was better !! Its even more impressing when you factor how much more energy he used at creating shots for himself and his teammates.
We can argue between Holmgren and Banchero but Smith shouldnt be even in conversation for the number 1 pick IMO.

[basketballRob]

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[89Magicfan]

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

Jabari Smith usage 27,6%, 2,5 assist per 36 min.
Paolo Banchero usage 27,5%, 3,5 assist per 36 min.
So who is more of a ball stopper ?
They are both similar rebounders (Smith slightly better), they both dont protect the rim that much.
If Banchero doesnt score he is a great passer, he is better offensive rebounder.

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This is Smith which is great but lets remember Jabari player with Kessler Edwards and Banchero played with Timme

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Pure isolation Banchero was better !! Its even more impressing when you factor how much more energy he used at creating shots for himself and his teammates.
We can argue between Holmgren and Banchero but Smith shouldnt be even in conversation for the number 1 pick IMO.

Yup and if you watch the games, not highlights but actual games, you’ll see that he really struggles to create for himself outside of shooting over college kids.

He’s pretty one dimensional.

[Petre1978]

Everybody speaks about Holmgren, Smith, Banchero but the FO could also go a different route.

You're right. They could trade the pick. Ivey and Sharpe are not on the table at 1, and most likely not in consideration in top 3.

You never know

[jezzerinho]

When I watch Banchero all I see is a poor man's Carmelo. He is not going be some remarkable player maker in the pros. His size won't mean as much in the NBA as it did at Duke imo. Plus I don't want him to be a play maker for our team that's for Fultz and Franz. I just don't see him aging well either. He lumbers at times to me like he is too heavy now. I can talk myself into him but i'd be the least excited for him. I think he is clearly 3 behind Jabari and Chet. Jabari just feels like the most appropriate fit for this team. He doesn't need to be this all world ball handler with Fultz and Franz he just needs to score. Then Chet to me is just hoping he becomes all world and top 5 player in the NBA once he gets weight on him, big if right now.

I'd expect to be good quicker with Jabari. I'd have more patience and higher hopes with Chet. I'd just expect Paulo to maybe make an all-star game or two and not really effect much winning like Melo expect less so.

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

Paolo is absolutely a good passer.

His defence is a mixed bag. Ok on iso, but overall his motor can be pretty on/off, he literally and metaphorically drags his feet at times. When you see how alive and crisp his footwork is with the ball, there's no excuse for him not being equally good on D. Given he's a former guard, i give him some latitude on paint defence and rebounding, but it should also be better.

[tiderulz]

When I watch Banchero all I see is a poor man's Carmelo. He is not going be some remarkable player maker in the pros. His size won't mean as much in the NBA as it did at Duke imo. Plus I don't want him to be a play maker for our team that's for Fultz and Franz. I just don't see him aging well either. He lumbers at times to me like he is too heavy now. I can talk myself into him but i'd be the least excited for him. I think he is clearly 3 behind Jabari and Chet. Jabari just feels like the most appropriate fit for this team. He doesn't need to be this all world ball handler with Fultz and Franz he just needs to score. Then Chet to me is just hoping he becomes all world and top 5 player in the NBA once he gets weight on him, big if right now.

I'd expect to be good quicker with Jabari. I'd have more patience and higher hopes with Chet. I'd just expect Paulo to maybe make an all-star game or two and not really effect much winning like Melo expect less so.

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

look at someone like Tatum. He didnt come into the league a good defender, and he had 1.6 apg his rookie year. what was he providing when he didnt wasnt scoring? it all depends on what the player can become, not what you are seeing right now.

[tiderulz]

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

Jabari Smith usage 27,6%, 2,5 assist per 36 min.
Paolo Banchero usage 27,5%, 3,5 assist per 36 min.
So who is more of a ball stopper ?
They are both similar rebounders (Smith slightly better), they both dont protect the rim that much.
If Banchero doesnt score he is a great passer, he is better offensive rebounder.

Read on Twitter

This is Smith which is great but lets remember Jabari player with Kessler Edwards and Banchero played with Timme

Read on Twitter

Pure isolation Banchero was better !! Its even more impressing when you factor how much more energy he used at creating shots for himself and his teammates.
We can argue between Holmgren and Banchero but Smith shouldnt be even in conversation for the number 1 pick IMO.

just a point, BAnchero played with Mark Williams, a more athletic Kessler. it was Chet that played with Timme

[tiderulz]

Carmelo Anthony 6'8 ft 230 lbs 22.2 pts, 45.3 fg%, 49.6 2p%, 33.7 3p%, 70.6 ft%, 10 rb, 2.2/2.2 ast/to, 1.6 stl, 0.9 blk
Paolo Banchero 6'10 ft 250 lbs 17.2 pts, 47.8 fg%, 52.5 2p%, 33.8 3p%, 72.9 ft%, 7.8 rb, 3.2/2.4 ast/to, 1.1 st, 0.9 blk

I dont know about poor mans. When you look at stats you see bigger Carmelo with much better playmaking. I agree Paolo seems too heavy, but thats the thing our performance staff should handle. In interview before college season Banchero said to Schmitz that he is still regaining athletecism he lost when he grew up so much. We need someone who can handle the ball and score from all 3 levels including midrange. Fultz is not that, Wagner is not that yet. Maybe Franz improves his midrange game but he has long way to go. Having someone like Banchero would open the floor even more for him. Imagine those passes Banchero makes to cutting Wagner after he drives to the rim. You can forget about that with Jabari and Chet.

Paolo gets compared to Melo because both are ball stoppers. Both need the ball to be effective. If he's not scoring Paolo does not offer much else because he's not a stand out defender, rebounder, passer and isn't a good 3 point shooter.

Chet and Jabari would both be better for our team because they can play within a system.

Paolo is absolutely a good passer.

His defence is a mixed bag. Ok on iso, but overall his motor can be pretty on/off, he literally and metaphorically drags his feet at times. When you see how alive and crisp his footwork is with the ball, there's no excuse for him not being equally good on D. Given he's a former guard, i give him some latitude on paint defence and rebounding, but it should also be better.

looking at footage of him in HS, he needs to lose 15-20 lbs.

[OrlandoMagic]

It doesn’t matter who we take with the number one pick. Nobody in this draft is a franchise changing player. I won’t hate on the Magic with who the pick, but my choice would be Banchero.

[89Magicfan]

It doesn’t matter who we take with the number one pick. Nobody in this draft is a franchise changing player. I won’t hate on the Magic with who the pick, but my choice would be Banchero.

Many didn’t think Luka would be either. Same as Giannis.

You draft a player who has the tools to potentially be one.

[tiderulz]

It doesn’t matter who we take with the number one pick. Nobody in this draft is a franchise changing player. I won’t hate on the Magic with who the pick, but my choice would be Banchero.

Many didn’t think Luka would be either. Same as Giannis.

You draft a player who has the tools to potentially be one.

agree with this. Sometimes, you know a player is a franchise changer (Shaq, Zion, Luka) other times you dont know how much a player can change the franchise until it happens and that is why they get drafted outside top-10 (Morant, Tatum-i know not outside top10 but wasnt seen as this good, Mitchell, Booker, Jokic, Gobert). to me, the front office has to work hand in hand with the coach in choosing players (hopefully a good coach) to share how they want to develop a player and what they think they are capable of. the 2 have to be on the same page, otherwise we get Clifford and Bamba.

[basketballRob]

When I look at Jabari I see a bigger better shooting Paul George.



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[NO-KG-AI]

I think there should be a real concern about how much time Jabari did NOT spend at the rim for such a big athletic guy.

Chet was the most productive player of the 3, and was on the best team, and he probably has the most mythical potential too lol. I wouldn't overthink it.

[basketballRob]

I think there should be a real concern about how much time Jabari did NOT spend at the rim for such a big athletic guy.

Chet was the most productive player of the 3, and was on the best team, and he probably has the most mythical potential too lol. I wouldn't overthink it.

I watched a lot of the full games of Jabari. When he drove teams would collapse the paint because Auburn had no other close to average shooters on the team. Jabari didn't handle the double teams well. He has no problem getting past his man.

The other options at the top are a guy that needs to work on his shot or a really skinny guy that needs to add 50 lbs. I think we've seen our share of these type players over the past decade.

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