2023-2024 Regular Season Game 40: Orlando Magic (21-18) at New York Knicks (23-16) - 3pm

DiplomaticMagic · Post #501 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:31 am

Fultz played good today. Forget his Washington jumpshot, if his shot was like last year, hed be a valuable player in the league. I wish I could understand his TOS. Theres clearly something going on that we dont know about.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #502 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:36 am

Even in limited minutes, the amount of impact Isaac has is immense. Im keeping him on my team

pepe1991 · Post #503 » by **pepe1991** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:13 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Even in limited minutes, the amount of impact Isaac has is immense. Im keeping him on my team

Not for $17M a year and 30% games played

jezzerinho · Post #504 » by **jezzerinho** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:59 am

pepe1991 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Even in limited minutes, the amount of impact Isaac has is immense. Im keeping him on my team

Not for $17M a year and 30% games played

No.

But, as much as i struggle to identify with JI on a personal level and for as much money as he has cost the team without playing, even I have to marvel at what seems to be a huge correlation between him being on the court and Orlando winning.

Would Orlando extend him again maybe? Give him the same deal they just gave him but lower money? Say $14m next year and team option at 12m the following year?

I dunno. Its one of the weirdest player decisions in all basketball.

CarraT · Post #505 » by **CarraT** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:20 am

Just watched the game. Wow, we really need a PG so bad.

I Rasharted · Post #506 » by **I Rasharted** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:42 am

Banchero tho

Skybox · Post #507 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:55 am

jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Even in limited minutes, the amount of impact Isaac has is immense. Im keeping him on my team

Not for $17M a year and 30% games played

No.

But, as much as i struggle to identify with JI on a personal level and for as much money as he has cost the team without playing, even I have to marvel at what seems to be a huge correlation between him being on the court and Orlando winning.

Would Orlando extend him again maybe? Give him the same deal they just gave him but lower money? Say $14m next year and team option at 12m the following year?

I dunno. It's one of the weirdest player decisions in all basketball.

We've still got another year at $17m...it's non-guaranteed, but I don't think you can waive him and re-sign to a new deal...anyone know I'm wrong? (which is not to say he'd agree)

drsd · Post #508 » by **drsd** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:16 pm

thelead wrote:The problem is that 33% isn't good enough for a 'scorer' that doesn't bring much else. He HAS to get his efficiency up. He'll be 24 this May. We need him to start improving ASAP.

Another point is that Anthony shooting 33% with a player in his face is not the same as Black hitting 33% were NOBODY is within 5 feet of him.

drsd · Post #509 » by **drsd** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:18 pm

Skybox wrote:We've still got another year at $17m...it's non-guaranteed, but I don't think you can waive him and re-sign to a new deal...anyone know I'm wrong? (which is not to say he'd agree)

F-Wagner will get extended for 32-35M a year, but that doesn't kick in until the year after the contract ink dries. That is: Orlando does have this 17M to light on fire, but only for one more year.

Skybox · Post #510 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:30 pm

drsd wrote:
Skybox wrote:We've still got another year at $17m...it's non-guaranteed, but I don't think you can waive him and re-sign to a new deal...anyone know I'm wrong? (which is not to say he'd agree)

F-Wagner will get extended for 32-35M a year, but that doesn't kick in until the year after the contract ink dries. That is: Orlando does have this 17M to light on fire, but only for one more year.

...and several months to see if it's realistic to think he's ever going to be reliable. I'd love to keep Isaac...but I'd forget about the team-friendly contract talk - he's either awesome and worth every penny or he's not worth having due to his injury issues. I don't see a middle ground going forward as there's now too much at stake for this teams's growth. I really hope he's a central part of ORL's near future playoff impact.

JBSouthpaw · Post #511 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:59 pm

thelead wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
thelead wrote:https://www.statmuse.com/nba/player/cole-anthony-10203

He's now at 33% after shooting 0-3 tonight

Luka is shooting 38% this year and has a TS% of 61%

AB plays defense and shoots the same percentage from deep....

Anthony Black attemped 55 threes this year. All were wide open. Made 18. Can we NOT paint him as some shooter? Every team we play ignores him completely on perimeter.
Cole Anthony made 16 threes in Janaury alone. People actually bother to guard Cole, even when he airballs catch& shoot like last night.

.......

I like Black, Black has so many good things going for him, from being very young, big, strong, with massive defensive potential, but he isn't shooter and today isn't really "playmaker", rather filler D with no 3 guy. And that's ok. Because we didn't draft him to be go to guy in rookie year.

The problem is that 33% isn't good enough for a 'scorer' that doesn't bring much else. He HAS to get his efficiency up. He'll be 24 this May. We need him to start improving ASAP.

A "scorer" is different from a "shooter". Compare him to Seth Curry. Curry is a shooter, that is all he does. Cole gets to the line (3rd most on the team), Assists and Rebounds and doesn't turn it over much. He's also manned up and played the last few weeks hurt because others haven't been able to stay on the court. PB and Franz are the best players on the team, Cole is somewhere between 4-6, but HE and Suggs are the passion bringers of this team.
Yes, he's had a bad Jan shooting the 3 (1 for last 12), as a 6th man though, he's been very good this year.

RichCollab · Post #512 » by **RichCollab** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:02 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Even in limited minutes, the amount of impact Isaac has is immense. Im keeping him on my team

Not for $17M a year and 30% games played

JI is the one injured player I want to hold onto. Next contract he is going to have to take closer to 10 million a year.

JoshuaPotter · Post #513 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:32 pm

Paolo with 15 potential assists.

Post #514 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:58 pm

Our offensive rating this game was 115.2, above our season average. Turns out the pace was just really slow.

thelead · Post #515 » by **thelead** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:23 pm

drsd wrote:
thelead wrote:The problem is that 33% isn't good enough for a 'scorer' that doesn't bring much else. He HAS to get his efficiency up. He'll be 24 this May. We need him to start improving ASAP.

Another point is that Anthony shooting 33% with a player in his face is not the same as Black hitting 33% were NOBODY is within 5 feet of him.

Please watch teams other than the magic… I promise there are many non-star guys that take tough shots and make them at a higher clip.

The-Stallion70 · Post #516 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:31 pm

thelead wrote:
drsd wrote:
thelead wrote:The problem is that 33% isn't good enough for a 'scorer' that doesn't bring much else. He HAS to get his efficiency up. He'll be 24 this May. We need him to start improving ASAP.

Another point is that Anthony shooting 33% with a player in his face is not the same as Black hitting 33% were NOBODY is within 5 feet of him.

Please watch teams other than the magic… I promise there are many non-star guys that take tough shots and make them at a higher clip.

And they probably make those tough shots at a higher clip than Black makes easy wide open shots.

Post #517 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:35 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
thelead wrote:
drsd wrote:
Another point is that Anthony shooting 33% with a player in his face is not the same as Black hitting 33% were NOBODY is within 5 feet of him.

Please watch teams other than the magic… I promise there are many non-star guys that take tough shots and make them at a higher clip.

And they probably make those tough shots at a higher clip than Black makes easy wide open shots.

Are they on this list though?

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bigdogdylan5 · Post #518 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:41 pm

I think this is perfect Cole. He is a dessert not the substance of the meal. If he has it great use him. My problem is when he doesn’t have it and he is getting hunted on defense and still has to play down the stretch. If that’s happening you need to have the other guy to pull him for.

thelead · Post #519 » by **thelead** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:44 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
thelead wrote:
drsd wrote:
Another point is that Anthony shooting 33% with a player in his face is not the same as Black hitting 33% were NOBODY is within 5 feet of him.

Please watch teams other than the magic… I promise there are many non-star guys that take tough shots and make them at a higher clip.

And they probably make those tough shots at a higher clip than Black makes easy wide open shots.

AB is 19 and brings other things to the table. If he’s still struggling with his shot 3 years from now, I’ll be talking about him needing to up his efficiency too. Not sure why you attack other players when I bring up Cole’s inefficiencies. I also called out Paolo, Franz, Fultz, etc for shooting below league average. They ALL need to improve but Cole is the one that brings the least in all other categories if he’s not scoring and is attacked on defense relentlessly. I mean, if he can improve on defense, we could ease up on his efficiency but do you expect that to happen? I don’t.

Post #520 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:48 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:I think this is perfect Cole. He is a dessert not the substance of the meal. If he has it great use him. My problem is when he doesn’t have it and he is getting hunted on defense and still has to play down the stretch. If that’s happening you need to have the other guy to pull him for.

Perfectly said.